Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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Hale Mitjatov !!!!!!!
Well done A COMPREHENSIVE AND FANTASTIC ebsa 8 BRING ON THE KNOCKERS !!!! i HOPE THE sHORT hAUL uNION READS mm POSTING.Maybe Short Haul could learn something from Him and his team how to be strong and look after his members interests. How dare those long haulers knock him when he has done so much to save your asses, you have no idea HOW LUCKY YOU ARE !!!! If one person wants to knock this then at least put up a logical and intelligent response, I havent seen a more comprehensive and informative EBA like this for ages. Who would have thought. Remember when we thought it was all gloom and doom. There is a big bright rainbow at the end of the rainbow. SO stop your nonsence and next time yuo see MM SR and DL shake their hands , buy then a beer, because they have saved your skins, your mortgages and the wonderful priveledged life styles yuo have so far been accostumed to and if you doubt this for one nanao second come to Short Haul where the union is prepared to treat its mmembers with contempt rarely communicates with them they know they sold their souls to the devil. I can honestly say i have no affiliation with this union, just a fan of theirs and glad to see the long haulers get a great deal, because you guys work bloody hard out their crossing time zones, dealing with all the crap etc for over 20 years in many of your cases. You are a great group of people and i believe the long haulers are the most professional of the Qantas group. So give yourselves all a pat on the back and hapily vote YEs. I"m rooting for you all
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Geez,
Am I reading this right - $70,000 for CSM's on the "B-Scale" - how much then are current ("A-Scale") LH CSM's on including allowances? Or for that matter - current LH CSS's?
Sounds like more than some S/O's!
Am I reading this right - $70,000 for CSM's on the "B-Scale" - how much then are current ("A-Scale") LH CSM's on including allowances? Or for that matter - current LH CSS's?
Sounds like more than some S/O's!
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new entrants
Call button " new entrants" was a termed used by the short haul union to discriminate against long haulers regional flyers or anyone else transfering. No The Union has graciously allowed short haul to transfer across on the A scale.
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Ruffrider,
Sorry to be cynical, but somehow I don't trust management to do the right thing, all too many times they have shafted us.
Fair enough that the union has allowed shorthaulers to transfer across on A scale, but do you really trust the company, they could easily say too bad ,all new entrants have to be employed via QCCA .
It doesn't matter to me as I've always been LH, but show me where is it written and signed off by LG? That's what's important when it comes to being legally binding.
And to funbags,
I compared my group certificate a few years ago with a S/O and I earnt $2,000 more than him, I was quiet suprised.
I know when I'm on a good wicket, and thanks to MM & SR I've got at least another 5 years left before TJF
Sorry to be cynical, but somehow I don't trust management to do the right thing, all too many times they have shafted us.
Fair enough that the union has allowed shorthaulers to transfer across on A scale, but do you really trust the company, they could easily say too bad ,all new entrants have to be employed via QCCA .
It doesn't matter to me as I've always been LH, but show me where is it written and signed off by LG? That's what's important when it comes to being legally binding.
And to funbags,
I compared my group certificate a few years ago with a S/O and I earnt $2,000 more than him, I was quiet suprised.
I know when I'm on a good wicket, and thanks to MM & SR I've got at least another 5 years left before TJF
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CSM pay fair for the responsibility
i look forward to applying for promotion, just a thought about pay.
For Lhaul crew to earn what they do the majority of their sectors are night sectors, with over 14hours tour of duty. Most people in the real world still(now with work choices gone) can expect to get O/T ofter 8 and a half hours.
We are away up to 12 days.
Its irrelevant what a second officer earns they do a completely different job.
If im going to become a manager i want the 70K and then some.
A csm is responsible for making sure that we deliver what is promised service wise. when its not delivered he/she has to put out all the fires.
For the responsibility of 400 plus passengers , very affluent, influential and part of the big business world and corporate community there is a huge amount of pressure on both the CSM and the CSS to get it right every sector every time.
There are people out in the real world who earn more with less responsibilty without 18 hour days and jetlag thrown in. They get the money cos they are usually on contracts.
I have earnt more than a junior CSS and CSM in the past just because of the type of flying i was able to get through seniority.
The money earnt by all in L Haul is worked for. Our 3 % wage increase each year still doesnt match inflation. I believe senior management have received way more than 3% each year.
For Lhaul crew to earn what they do the majority of their sectors are night sectors, with over 14hours tour of duty. Most people in the real world still(now with work choices gone) can expect to get O/T ofter 8 and a half hours.
We are away up to 12 days.
Its irrelevant what a second officer earns they do a completely different job.
If im going to become a manager i want the 70K and then some.
A csm is responsible for making sure that we deliver what is promised service wise. when its not delivered he/she has to put out all the fires.
For the responsibility of 400 plus passengers , very affluent, influential and part of the big business world and corporate community there is a huge amount of pressure on both the CSM and the CSS to get it right every sector every time.
There are people out in the real world who earn more with less responsibilty without 18 hour days and jetlag thrown in. They get the money cos they are usually on contracts.
I have earnt more than a junior CSS and CSM in the past just because of the type of flying i was able to get through seniority.
The money earnt by all in L Haul is worked for. Our 3 % wage increase each year still doesnt match inflation. I believe senior management have received way more than 3% each year.
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Hawkeye,
Think how much the senior managers are going to get, this new EBA is set up to save them approx $40 million, How much are they going to get as a bonus for saving QF so much $$$ ???
Don't forget the last AGM, GD was awarded 1 million Qantas shares.
I remember in Col Burgess book laughter in the Air, the S/O was referred to as the Captains sexual advisor, because if he wanted his f**king advice he'll ask for it. It was nice to know that I did earn more than him, but he is probably a Captain now on his third alimony payment.
3% pay rise??? From what I've been reading on the other threads, with the engineers EBA negotiations, 3% seems to be the companys magic figure for the worker.
Think how much the senior managers are going to get, this new EBA is set up to save them approx $40 million, How much are they going to get as a bonus for saving QF so much $$$ ???
Don't forget the last AGM, GD was awarded 1 million Qantas shares.
I remember in Col Burgess book laughter in the Air, the S/O was referred to as the Captains sexual advisor, because if he wanted his f**king advice he'll ask for it. It was nice to know that I did earn more than him, but he is probably a Captain now on his third alimony payment.
3% pay rise??? From what I've been reading on the other threads, with the engineers EBA negotiations, 3% seems to be the companys magic figure for the worker.
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and there are always some
golow goback into your little nest. this 34+K is a base salary, then there is ++++
some just dont get it
Why would the FAAA LH negotiate for MAM casuals, which are not even part of LH?????????
some just dont get it
Why would the FAAA LH negotiate for MAM casuals, which are not even part of LH?????????
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golow
You forgot the top up pay
, its still a stitch up, the only prob is history tells us short haul and jet star are happy to fly it for cheaper. With that sort of idiocy reducing our market worth what chance have we got.
The short haul division needs to have a close look at its union officials and industrial advisors. Its time they worked with Long haul as a collective rather than doing their own thing. Look at what has now occurred.
Short haul cant complain as they keep electing these people.
For those short haul wishing to come across, you can only come across if crew from long haul want to go to short haul. it will be the same as the transfer list now in existence i am lead to believe.
With reduced bands payment waiting for us in short haul if we transfer, and now( after voting up the eba) unlimited part time for all categories and a huge increase in both international and regional flying there wont be too many on the list I wouldnt have thought.
Oh well if you still want to come across and there is no one on the transfer list you can always ask the company if the B scale is available.
, its still a stitch up, the only prob is history tells us short haul and jet star are happy to fly it for cheaper. With that sort of idiocy reducing our market worth what chance have we got.The short haul division needs to have a close look at its union officials and industrial advisors. Its time they worked with Long haul as a collective rather than doing their own thing. Look at what has now occurred.
Short haul cant complain as they keep electing these people.
For those short haul wishing to come across, you can only come across if crew from long haul want to go to short haul. it will be the same as the transfer list now in existence i am lead to believe.
With reduced bands payment waiting for us in short haul if we transfer, and now( after voting up the eba) unlimited part time for all categories and a huge increase in both international and regional flying there wont be too many on the list I wouldnt have thought.
Oh well if you still want to come across and there is no one on the transfer list you can always ask the company if the B scale is available.
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u5mj
Take a breath. Do you really think posts like that are going to achieve anything? Your question has been adequately answered.....
If you choose to apply for QCCA, and are successful, you will have the opportunity to apply for CSS/CSM when the company decides, not the FAAA. At that time it is logical to assume your application will be assessed on merit and that includes your previous experience working in other organisations including MAM.
Short haul don't even have that right.
Given the anticipated growth projected in the A380 Division, its conceivable that they may have trouble attracting enough crew from the current world who are eligible for promotion. On that basis, the EBA provides that the 4 years and 2 years does not apply in A380 division.
Short haul don't even have that right.
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Mam Fa's
I agree with u5mj. This EBA is going to have a huge impact on the careers of MAM FA's. Removing all this flying from shorthaul will lead to a surplus, and thus no work for MAMers. Yes they can apply for a 'full-time' position with QCCA, but they will still lose a lot of money. Many of the MAM FA's have several years flying experience and are extremely experienced in INTERNATIONAL flying. In addition to this, many are fluent in an Asian language, and currently hold a language badge.
These FA's should be considered for CSS CSM positions in longhaul.
These FA's should be considered for CSS CSM positions in longhaul.
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Quote - "These FA's should be considered for CSS CSM positions in longhaul."
Really?
How does that work? I was under the impression that you lot are not actually employed by Qantas.
Please. Correct me if I'm wrong...........
Really?
How does that work? I was under the impression that you lot are not actually employed by Qantas.
Please. Correct me if I'm wrong...........
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Speedbirdhouse... Firstly I am not a MAMer. Yes they are not employed by Qantas, but neither will the 'B Scale' workforce that you are about to vote for. They are however, very experienced in QANTAS international operations.
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Quote- "As for your barb about us not being Qantas employees....one day you may well have that feeling too."
It wasn't a barb but thanks for confirming it as a fact.
If you lot are so gifted surely you'll all come across on the new B scale and after 4 years be walk up starts for the CSM role on 70K +
It wasn't a barb but thanks for confirming it as a fact.
If you lot are so gifted surely you'll all come across on the new B scale and after 4 years be walk up starts for the CSM role on 70K +
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Quote- "Tick tock tick tock....."
Ah yes. As you were saying.
I wonder why I get the impression that our place of work is going to became a rather unpleasant place to be.
For the first time in Qantas's history..............
Ah yes. As you were saying.
I wonder why I get the impression that our place of work is going to became a rather unpleasant place to be.
For the first time in Qantas's history..............
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The Great Pretenders
Before all this nonsense about casuals,MaMers,offshor bases and shorthaul there was Qantas Longhaul.Pure and simple international flying...one big happy family.
Now we have all these pretenders hangers on and strikebreakers.
The FAAA have done an outstanding job at representing its membership.
Now all the pretenders want/demand a piece of the action.
You were aware of the terms conditons of your employment when you signed up.You understood very quickly how you were perceived by others.The Australian economy has a labour shortage.If you are not happy with your lot there are plenty of employment opportunities elsewhere.
All this nonsense about being qualified to become onboard managers is laughable.
How many people management ,conflict resolution courses have you done?
Are you decisive,intuitive and able to deal with confrontation effectively.
Are you a fast and effective problem solver?
More importantly how much management experience do you have?
Putting some of you guys in charge of 18 crew and 450 passengers on a brand new A380 would be like putting a neanderthal in charge of an F-18.
Generation Y has arrived and what is obvious..you cant even manage yourselves and have absolutely no hope of managing others.
Remember respect is earnt not given.
If you dont have the respect of your crew...game over,go home.
An irate 60 year old CEO would have you guys for breakfast.
Now we have all these pretenders hangers on and strikebreakers.
The FAAA have done an outstanding job at representing its membership.
Now all the pretenders want/demand a piece of the action.
You were aware of the terms conditons of your employment when you signed up.You understood very quickly how you were perceived by others.The Australian economy has a labour shortage.If you are not happy with your lot there are plenty of employment opportunities elsewhere.
All this nonsense about being qualified to become onboard managers is laughable.
How many people management ,conflict resolution courses have you done?
Are you decisive,intuitive and able to deal with confrontation effectively.
Are you a fast and effective problem solver?
More importantly how much management experience do you have?
Putting some of you guys in charge of 18 crew and 450 passengers on a brand new A380 would be like putting a neanderthal in charge of an F-18.
Generation Y has arrived and what is obvious..you cant even manage yourselves and have absolutely no hope of managing others.
Remember respect is earnt not given.
If you dont have the respect of your crew...game over,go home.
An irate 60 year old CEO would have you guys for breakfast.
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Tick Tock
With your "tick tock" mentality you have lready illustrated that you are not management material.
Perhaps you are more suited to working for Swatch.....as a floor sweeper
Perhaps you are more suited to working for Swatch.....as a floor sweeper
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patience surfside..
don't worry surfside u5mj will be sorted out asap. Never seen anyone rate themselves like that before!
He's trying to wind us all up. Funny thing is he will always be on the outside.
He's trying to wind us all up. Funny thing is he will always be on the outside.