Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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Two Way Street
Communication is not a one way street.
There are 3000 members .
Communicating with us unless absolutuely necessary is time consuming.
There is only one of you T Bar.
Get off your bum and go and see them.
PM me your phone number and I will pass it on if thats too difficult.
Sounds to me like you are part of the last failed union exec who capitulated in the last EBA.
Thank MM for being an intelligent forward thinking dissenter.
If not for him this job would not now be worth 2 cents.
Did you, TBar, vent your spleen on the 3 blind mice GB JB and TW?
Did you seek them out and give them a piece(can you afford it ?)of your mind?.
You are probably still watiing for them to call you
There are 3000 members .
Communicating with us unless absolutuely necessary is time consuming.
There is only one of you T Bar.
Get off your bum and go and see them.
PM me your phone number and I will pass it on if thats too difficult.
Sounds to me like you are part of the last failed union exec who capitulated in the last EBA.
Thank MM for being an intelligent forward thinking dissenter.
If not for him this job would not now be worth 2 cents.
Did you, TBar, vent your spleen on the 3 blind mice GB JB and TW?
Did you seek them out and give them a piece(can you afford it ?)of your mind?.
You are probably still watiing for them to call you
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Originally Posted by cartexchange
twiggs they have made the decision, otherwise Guardian and Eden would be screaming like wild banshees if it wasn't true.
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Hysteria And Ignorance A Dangerous Cocktail
cartexchange continues to demonstrate his ignorance. It seems he can't actually read English.
I think it was explained to him by several people in here, that there is no plan to cut our wages or increase our hours on behalf of MM or the FAAA.
That is the intent of Qantas.
Poor cartexchange can't understand that what a reporter reports is not subject to MM or the FAAA.
I went to the FAAA meetings and i undrstood completely what MM said ...and i also know it was agreed to by everyone in the meeting i went to. I also read the Fin Article and MM and his quotes had nothing to do with reducing our wages or increasing our hours.
cartexchange as someone else suggested to you earlier, you are not the central point in our universe and i'm sure MM has more important things to do than come on here and jump to your stupid demands.
As was suggested to you earlier by several people...pick up the phone and ring MM....... I HAVE ON SEVERAL OCASSIONS and i know a few friends who have as well. He takes every call that is directed to him.
Furthermore, MM has headed the FAAA since 2003 which means he hasn't flown since 2003...... and of course he doesnt fly because he was elected to run the FAAA and protect 3000 peoples livelihoods and to manage a $3 million FAAA organisation.
But of course cartexchange you are to twisted and shortsighted to understand any facts.
Defcon i think you have hit the nail on the head, cartexchange sounds to me that he is an embittered ex FAAA official, thrown out by the members because of his incompetence.
I think it was explained to him by several people in here, that there is no plan to cut our wages or increase our hours on behalf of MM or the FAAA.
That is the intent of Qantas.
Poor cartexchange can't understand that what a reporter reports is not subject to MM or the FAAA.
I went to the FAAA meetings and i undrstood completely what MM said ...and i also know it was agreed to by everyone in the meeting i went to. I also read the Fin Article and MM and his quotes had nothing to do with reducing our wages or increasing our hours.
cartexchange as someone else suggested to you earlier, you are not the central point in our universe and i'm sure MM has more important things to do than come on here and jump to your stupid demands.
As was suggested to you earlier by several people...pick up the phone and ring MM....... I HAVE ON SEVERAL OCASSIONS and i know a few friends who have as well. He takes every call that is directed to him.
Furthermore, MM has headed the FAAA since 2003 which means he hasn't flown since 2003...... and of course he doesnt fly because he was elected to run the FAAA and protect 3000 peoples livelihoods and to manage a $3 million FAAA organisation.
But of course cartexchange you are to twisted and shortsighted to understand any facts.
Defcon i think you have hit the nail on the head, cartexchange sounds to me that he is an embittered ex FAAA official, thrown out by the members because of his incompetence.
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Fin Review Article
I also read the Fin Review article and MM'S comments were about new starters, exactly what was said at the FAAA meeting i went to as well.
I hear Greg Broome and Leanne Dalton and a few other ex FAAA execs are trying to stir up trouble with crew coz they want to run again for FAAA positions. That would be a joke!
By the way Eden, mijatov was elected in 2004 and therefore he hasn,t been flying for the last 3 and a bit years , not the 8 that cartexchange says.
By the way, when i discuss FAAA matters with fellow crew it is clear that Mijatov is held in high regard.
He is forthright, honest and sharp as a tack.
I hear Greg Broome and Leanne Dalton and a few other ex FAAA execs are trying to stir up trouble with crew coz they want to run again for FAAA positions. That would be a joke!
By the way Eden, mijatov was elected in 2004 and therefore he hasn,t been flying for the last 3 and a bit years , not the 8 that cartexchange says.
By the way, when i discuss FAAA matters with fellow crew it is clear that Mijatov is held in high regard.
He is forthright, honest and sharp as a tack.
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EBA
I have great confidence in the guys at the FAAA, particularly MM and SR.
MM has brains and courage and he clearly is a straight shooter .
Im happy to have the current guys negotiate this tough EBA.
Imagine what QF would do to us if the former guys were in . They had their chance and stuffed it badly.
I don't want MM to fly...i want him to concentrate on protecting our conditions.
GO KEV07 AND MM !!!
MM has brains and courage and he clearly is a straight shooter .
Im happy to have the current guys negotiate this tough EBA.
Imagine what QF would do to us if the former guys were in . They had their chance and stuffed it badly.
I don't want MM to fly...i want him to concentrate on protecting our conditions.
GO KEV07 AND MM !!!
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From Twiggs....
Twiggsy....This is becoming a little repetitive but I'll remind you again.
This (PPrune) is a rumour network and to most of us that means that people post rumours.
If we waited for the official announcement then it wouldn't be a rumour would it?...Duohhhh
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Getting back to reality,I admit that the last few posts made me laugh......Nice one Eden ....
So now that we have heard from the FAAA perhaps we can move on.
any announcement about it would be a little premature.
This (PPrune) is a rumour network and to most of us that means that people post rumours.
If we waited for the official announcement then it wouldn't be a rumour would it?...Duohhhh
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Getting back to reality,I admit that the last few posts made me laugh......Nice one Eden ....
So now that we have heard from the FAAA perhaps we can move on.
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Twiggsy girl..I suggest you read your own posts again but then again that won't do any good because historically you seem to have a problem acknowledging or even understanding your own posts.
This quote from cartexchange which I used ....Which I take it to mean is that he believes that the FAAA has made a decision on this matter but has not informed the membership....In other words a rumour
To which Twiggsy replied...
Twiggsy girl...Since there has been no newsletter from the FAAA regarding this issue you ARE therfore referring to a rumour posted by cartexchange on PPrune.
Even you should remember your own post where you said...
Unless you have a doppelgänger who uses your id from time to time you should understand that to speculate and to spread a rumour are basically the same.
Remember it's not the money that's important it's the destinations.
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Originally Posted by cartexchange
So when will the FAAA put out a letter to the membership advising them of their decision not have the horizontal crew rest on this a/c!
Originally Posted by cartexchange
So when will the FAAA put out a letter to the membership advising them of their decision not have the horizontal crew rest on this a/c!
To which Twiggsy replied...
I am referring to a newsletter from the FAAA not a post on PPRUNE.
Even you should remember your own post where you said...
rather than speculated about on this forum which probably less than 10% of crew actually read.
Remember it's not the money that's important it's the destinations.
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I don't know why I bother, but...
I was stating that maybe the FAAA does have intentions as the rumour/speculation/PPRUNE banter suggests, BUT since nothing concrete has been set down, it is not appropriate to inform the membership officially via newsletter.
That was my answer to Cartexchange.
Go back to feeding the chooks Lowerlobe, this discussion does not concern you.
I was stating that maybe the FAAA does have intentions as the rumour/speculation/PPRUNE banter suggests, BUT since nothing concrete has been set down, it is not appropriate to inform the membership officially via newsletter.
That was my answer to Cartexchange.
Go back to feeding the chooks Lowerlobe, this discussion does not concern you.
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well, I haven't been able to get back to you any earlier EDEN GUARDIAN as I have been flying .
Interesting post eden, the usual attacks and abuse, no wonder people don't call the FAAA you would only be ridiculed and treated with sarcasm.
Although the best of intentions may have been meant in the Fin Review Article . , it did not come across that way, and ALL the crew must be as illiterate as I am as they all understood it the way I did.
Anyway lets move on, and one of you get someone in the FAAA to publish an explanation as this is causing problems online as the crew are seeing the union as defeatist, you may not agree that is what is being stated.
now the other issues:
When was the last time MM flew, it was in 1999, he has been involved in the FAAA since then so don't give me all this crap about elected to this and elected that, the guy hasn't flown for years and everyone knows it! At least SR flies and cannot be criticised for not flying, he is more practical and at least knows what being fatigued is all about!\
So Guardian , EDEN et al... please state on here the last and correct date MM flew as a CSS.
now to change the tone,,,,,,,MM has done a good job and he has been very passionate about a many things confronting us, However he seems to have been on the ground for far too long, he has forgotten how arduous some flying can be, otherwise he would do something about horizontal crew rest on the A330.
So what is the FAAA position on the Horizontal crew rest on this A/C, have they agreed with the company?
When will MM do at least 2 trips per roster, a LAX/AKL and a BOM or JNB. his credibility may somewhat be restored?
Interesting post eden, the usual attacks and abuse, no wonder people don't call the FAAA you would only be ridiculed and treated with sarcasm.
Although the best of intentions may have been meant in the Fin Review Article . , it did not come across that way, and ALL the crew must be as illiterate as I am as they all understood it the way I did.
Anyway lets move on, and one of you get someone in the FAAA to publish an explanation as this is causing problems online as the crew are seeing the union as defeatist, you may not agree that is what is being stated.
now the other issues:
When was the last time MM flew, it was in 1999, he has been involved in the FAAA since then so don't give me all this crap about elected to this and elected that, the guy hasn't flown for years and everyone knows it! At least SR flies and cannot be criticised for not flying, he is more practical and at least knows what being fatigued is all about!\
So Guardian , EDEN et al... please state on here the last and correct date MM flew as a CSS.
now to change the tone,,,,,,,MM has done a good job and he has been very passionate about a many things confronting us, However he seems to have been on the ground for far too long, he has forgotten how arduous some flying can be, otherwise he would do something about horizontal crew rest on the A330.
So what is the FAAA position on the Horizontal crew rest on this A/C, have they agreed with the company?
When will MM do at least 2 trips per roster, a LAX/AKL and a BOM or JNB. his credibility may somewhat be restored?
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I have got a pretty good idea who you are Cartexchange.
You are not even a union member.
You have had an axe to grind and crave recognition to satisfy your overblown egocentric self importance.
You are not even a union member.
You have had an axe to grind and crave recognition to satisfy your overblown egocentric self importance.
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sorry you have that opinion Butterfield however you are totally wrong.
I have simply asked some legitimate questions!
Has the horizontal crew rest for the A330 been approved or rejected and has the FAAA given its approval for whatever decision QF management have made!
When was the last time MM flew?
Why not publish a letter from the FAAA to clarify the Fin Review article?
how is this being anti unionist! they are accountable!
I have simply asked some legitimate questions!
Has the horizontal crew rest for the A330 been approved or rejected and has the FAAA given its approval for whatever decision QF management have made!
When was the last time MM flew?
Why not publish a letter from the FAAA to clarify the Fin Review article?
how is this being anti unionist! they are accountable!
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Who gives a ratz when MM last flew.
I certainly couldn't care less. He is there for one job , and one job only....... to try and spin the QF spin team into an EBA that is not vanilla, but GOLD.
Let me say tough he is up against it. THE BANGER SISTERS ( not a bloke in sight!) are a formidable team=Tarantula, Black Widow, Miss Piggy, Nomes.
Like Rudd, if he doesn't pull it off he will be punted faster than you can say OHCRF. No prizes for guessing who will have the boot on
I certainly couldn't care less. He is there for one job , and one job only....... to try and spin the QF spin team into an EBA that is not vanilla, but GOLD.
Let me say tough he is up against it. THE BANGER SISTERS ( not a bloke in sight!) are a formidable team=Tarantula, Black Widow, Miss Piggy, Nomes.
Like Rudd, if he doesn't pull it off he will be punted faster than you can say OHCRF. No prizes for guessing who will have the boot on
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cartexchange the prince of trivia
cartexchange doesn't get it at all and butterfield sums it up correctly when he says of cartexchage that he is egocentric etc
cartexchange is also wrong..... i have flown with MM several times the latest time was the end of 2003. He ceased flying when he replaced Johanna Brem in 2004..that is a matter of record.
All heads of the FAAA do not fly while they occupy that position...MM is no fifferent.
It must be a very difficult job negotiating for over 3000 crew, particularly in the current circumstances. Also the FAAA is a multi million dollar concern with staff etc. Your suggestion that MM flies and work mon-fri running the FAAA is absurd.
Perhaps after your flights cartexchange you too should get another full time job and work 7 days as you suggest MM should.
You truly are a narrow minded and spiteful individual cartexchange with an obvious axe to grind.
It is generally agreed with crew that i fly that MM is the best head of the FAAA. i ALSO NOTE AS AN ASIDE, THAT THE FAAA is the best managed in its history as someone pointed out earlier on here...and thats with the least number of crew ever.,
MM must be doing something right, and i have confidence i him and the current senior people in the FAAA.
The other thing you conveniently forget cartexchange that MM leads a team , he does not make unilateral decisions.
cartexchange is also wrong..... i have flown with MM several times the latest time was the end of 2003. He ceased flying when he replaced Johanna Brem in 2004..that is a matter of record.
All heads of the FAAA do not fly while they occupy that position...MM is no fifferent.
It must be a very difficult job negotiating for over 3000 crew, particularly in the current circumstances. Also the FAAA is a multi million dollar concern with staff etc. Your suggestion that MM flies and work mon-fri running the FAAA is absurd.
Perhaps after your flights cartexchange you too should get another full time job and work 7 days as you suggest MM should.
You truly are a narrow minded and spiteful individual cartexchange with an obvious axe to grind.
It is generally agreed with crew that i fly that MM is the best head of the FAAA. i ALSO NOTE AS AN ASIDE, THAT THE FAAA is the best managed in its history as someone pointed out earlier on here...and thats with the least number of crew ever.,
MM must be doing something right, and i have confidence i him and the current senior people in the FAAA.
The other thing you conveniently forget cartexchange that MM leads a team , he does not make unilateral decisions.
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Thanks for that Eden99..I mean Alpine57 ....
Does anyone know when the current EBA expires?
Is the company in a hurry to finalise a new agreement before the Federal Election?
Twiggsy girl..I like the bit about 'the' Neuron....
Does anyone know when the current EBA expires?
Is the company in a hurry to finalise a new agreement before the Federal Election?
Twiggsy girl..I like the bit about 'the' Neuron....
Remember it's not the money that's important it's the destinations.
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OK Twiggsy Girly....I'll re print your post and we'll see if we can spot the difference!!!
Twiggsy Girly's post...
My post....
Now Twiggsy Girl if you can put down the latest issue of 'No Idea' and explain the difference to us?
Twiggsy Girly's post...
I think everyone has lost sight of what this job is about, and it aint money.
It's about the destinations.
It's about the destinations.
Remember it's not the money that's important it's the destinations.