Mega Merged: Qantas Long Haul Cabin Crew Eba8 Negotiations
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I said "I think everyone has lost sight of what THIS job is about"
I wrote that with the view that not many people applied to be cabin crew because they heard the money was double what they could get anywhere else.
Most people came to flying long haul because it gave them an opportunity to see the world.
Now lobe, if you disagree with my statement that's OK, but you have no right to to take your own interpretation of my words and falsely claim that is what I wrote in order to try to discredit me or piss me off.
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I wrote that with the view that not many people applied to be cabin crew because they heard the money was double what they could get anywhere else.
Most people came to flying long haul because it gave them an opportunity to see the world.
Now lobe, if you disagree with my statement that's OK, but you have no right to to take your own interpretation of my words and falsely claim that is what I wrote in order to try to discredit me or piss me off.
FOL
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capt.cynical,
It's been a while! But your right it's as fruitless as the previous arguments with the faaa.But if you are in the middle of talks about your eba then you will have heated posts and thats not necessarily a bad thing.
Lobey don't bother with twigs as she's a few bytes short of a download.You do raise an interesting point with the election.Will the company try and get the faaa to agree and sign something before the election because there might be a change of government?
They would have to hurry as it would need to be voted on as well and the election(thankfully) is only a few weeks away!
It's been a while! But your right it's as fruitless as the previous arguments with the faaa.But if you are in the middle of talks about your eba then you will have heated posts and thats not necessarily a bad thing.
Lobey don't bother with twigs as she's a few bytes short of a download.You do raise an interesting point with the election.Will the company try and get the faaa to agree and sign something before the election because there might be a change of government?
They would have to hurry as it would need to be voted on as well and the election(thankfully) is only a few weeks away!
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Short haul EBA negotiations are due to commence in early January. EBA 7 expires on 30th June 2008. It will be interesting to see whether the company delays negotiations with the long haul FAAA, so that both negotiations are occurring simultaneously.
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cant see them hurry up
with the EBA. if anything it will take a few month to get an agreement. look at the pilots (domestic) LH pilots have had no eba since january, engineers a long time as well. in addition lets not forget the senate does not change until middle of next year. time will tell. at least by may they have to make a decision if they give the A380 to LH or someone else.
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Originally Posted by RedTBar
Lobey don't bother with twigs as she's a few bytes short of a download
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mrpaxing,Are you sure about the Senate not changing until next year?Politics is something that I should spend more time on but it bores me to tears.
Even so if the opposition wins and announces their intentions to change the IR laws it should take some sting out of the company's case I would think.
Then again this is politics and I guess anything could happen.
Has anyone noticed how quite Dixon and mates have been?
I can't wait to the agm and hope that someone or some group puts the pressure on them at the meeting.
Even so if the opposition wins and announces their intentions to change the IR laws it should take some sting out of the company's case I would think.
Then again this is politics and I guess anything could happen.
Has anyone noticed how quite Dixon and mates have been?
I can't wait to the agm and hope that someone or some group puts the pressure on them at the meeting.
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Interesting quote from Ms Jackson
Ms Jackson also expressed her concerns at the potential impact of federal Labor's industrial relations policy on Qantas, warning that it could reduce flexibility in the airline's 34,000-strong workforce.
In an interview in her office in Melbourne this week, she said Qantas had made use of the industrial relations changes brought in under the Howard Government.
She warned that rolling these changes back could have an impact on the airline's staffing levels "down the track".
In an interview in her office in Melbourne this week, she said Qantas had made use of the industrial relations changes brought in under the Howard Government.
She warned that rolling these changes back could have an impact on the airline's staffing levels "down the track".
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Changes to the Senate
Originally Posted by Mr Paxing
in addition lets not forget the senate does not change until middle of next year
The result of elections for Senate positions in a territory (ie - Northern Territory or ACT) take immediate effect after the election. For the states, as Mr Paxing said, the results take effect from July 1 the following year.
There is a real possibility that Labor will take a Senate position from the Liberal Party in the ACT if polling is to be believed. If this occurs no party will hold a majority in their own right
Bring on November 24!
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FAAA Newsletter
13 November 2007
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
Qantas Agrees To Extra Crew Member!
It is with the greatest pleasure that I can announce that positive progress in EBA negotiations between Qantas and the FAAA has meant that Qantas is able to agree to an extra crew member on B747-400 aircraft configured with the Premium Economy cabin.
In February 2008 you will see the first of the re-configured B747-400 aircraft be rolled out with the new Premium Economy cabin. The re-configuration of the Kangaroo fleet will continue until August 2008, the re-configuration will then commence on the Pacific Fleet.
The first aircraft featuring Premium Economy will fly all services to London via Bangkok. During the first 6 months from launch, services to Hong Kong, San Francisco, Johannesburg and Los Angeles may also feature Premium Economy. All routes to London will have Premium Economy by July.
The Pacific embodiment will be completed by March 2009.
The extra crew member on these services will result in approximately 150 extra full time positions in Long Haul.
Crew have been informed by the FAAA that a prime objective of the current EBA negotiations is job security which can only be achieved by securing extra work and growth in Long Haul. We are pleased to deliver on the first growth instalment in Long Haul for over 5 years! It needs to be stated that work can only be secured from Qantas on the basis of productive change.
The EBA negotiations are continuing on a very intensive and constructive basis. The negotiations are the most complex and complicated in our history, and we will be in a position to publicly discuss matters once these confidential negotiations are concluded.
Finally, as an aside, I ask our members to have faith and confidence in the FAAA and the FAAA negotiating team and not to listen to uninformed gossip or deliberate misinformation by individuals with other agendas. Similarly, any references in the press relating to our negotiations should not be taken as gospel. Just because something is in a press article does not make it accurate or true.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division
Attention all Qantas Long Haul Flight Attendants
Qantas Agrees To Extra Crew Member!
It is with the greatest pleasure that I can announce that positive progress in EBA negotiations between Qantas and the FAAA has meant that Qantas is able to agree to an extra crew member on B747-400 aircraft configured with the Premium Economy cabin.
In February 2008 you will see the first of the re-configured B747-400 aircraft be rolled out with the new Premium Economy cabin. The re-configuration of the Kangaroo fleet will continue until August 2008, the re-configuration will then commence on the Pacific Fleet.
The first aircraft featuring Premium Economy will fly all services to London via Bangkok. During the first 6 months from launch, services to Hong Kong, San Francisco, Johannesburg and Los Angeles may also feature Premium Economy. All routes to London will have Premium Economy by July.
The Pacific embodiment will be completed by March 2009.
The extra crew member on these services will result in approximately 150 extra full time positions in Long Haul.
Crew have been informed by the FAAA that a prime objective of the current EBA negotiations is job security which can only be achieved by securing extra work and growth in Long Haul. We are pleased to deliver on the first growth instalment in Long Haul for over 5 years! It needs to be stated that work can only be secured from Qantas on the basis of productive change.
The EBA negotiations are continuing on a very intensive and constructive basis. The negotiations are the most complex and complicated in our history, and we will be in a position to publicly discuss matters once these confidential negotiations are concluded.
Finally, as an aside, I ask our members to have faith and confidence in the FAAA and the FAAA negotiating team and not to listen to uninformed gossip or deliberate misinformation by individuals with other agendas. Similarly, any references in the press relating to our negotiations should not be taken as gospel. Just because something is in a press article does not make it accurate or true.
Written and authorised by Michael Mijatov – Secretary International Division
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Well,thats good news as it is better than losing a crew member off each 400.
We all know that getting an extra crew member from the company is like getting blood from a stone so I'll be interested in seeing what the rest of the eba offers.
I have only one question at this stage and that is 'Why do all the faaa officials have alphanumeric id's on prune?'
We all know that getting an extra crew member from the company is like getting blood from a stone so I'll be interested in seeing what the rest of the eba offers.
I have only one question at this stage and that is 'Why do all the faaa officials have alphanumeric id's on prune?'
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Good news about the extra crew member. Mijatov said at the union meetings the union was going to try and improve job security by getting work. Seems he has started to achieve that aim.
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do you honestly think that this is the doing of MM!
This has absolutely nothing to do with the FAAA or MM, the company will put on and take off as many crew members as it sees fit!
However this is good news! Now the important question as Midnight stated, "where will this new crew come from" if it means more Australian recruitment then that is fantastic.
This has absolutely nothing to do with the FAAA or MM, the company will put on and take off as many crew members as it sees fit!
However this is good news! Now the important question as Midnight stated, "where will this new crew come from" if it means more Australian recruitment then that is fantastic.
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.............yeah good news alright.
Credit where its due/
Though 'am sure the boffins at the QF negotiating table will want something in return at their game of " ..'500"
Get ready for them to hit us with OPEN MOZAIRE !!
I'm with you T-bar............whats with the sudden proliferation of Probationary ppruners with numbers-seems to me a bit of lobbying going on to sure up opinion.
Paranoia............'nah never.
Credit where its due/
Though 'am sure the boffins at the QF negotiating table will want something in return at their game of " ..'500"
Get ready for them to hit us with OPEN MOZAIRE !!
I'm with you T-bar............whats with the sudden proliferation of Probationary ppruners with numbers-seems to me a bit of lobbying going on to sure up opinion.
Paranoia............'nah never.
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Credit where Credit is Due
You people are unbelievable.
You criticize and bleat about insignificant rubbish.
When good news comes along you are still critical.
This is all a step in the right direction.
If procedures dont work write a voyage report or whatever its called now.
If it doesnt work dont make it work.The pax will soon let the fools in the office know.
Well Done the FAAA and well done MM.
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You criticize and bleat about insignificant rubbish.
When good news comes along you are still critical.
This is all a step in the right direction.
If procedures dont work write a voyage report or whatever its called now.
If it doesnt work dont make it work.The pax will soon let the fools in the office know.
Well Done the FAAA and well done MM.
Gee, and no alpha numeric pprune User Name
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captainrats,You have to understand that most of us have been around more times than we like to think about.That means that we know what the company is like and as I said it is like getting blood from a stone.
So now the company say's "OK we'll give you another crew member"
Now most of us are waiting to see what the other hand takes away.It's kind of a reflex action.
This is not a shot at the faaa but a shot at the company as we all know what they have done to us over the last few years.You have to admit Dixon is not known for being generous.
As far as an alpha numeric id is concerned it would help if the two posts were more than 3 minutes apart before extolling the apparent success of the faaa.Next time have a cup of tea and wait for at least 10 minutes or so.
So now the company say's "OK we'll give you another crew member"
Now most of us are waiting to see what the other hand takes away.It's kind of a reflex action.
This is not a shot at the faaa but a shot at the company as we all know what they have done to us over the last few years.You have to admit Dixon is not known for being generous.
As far as an alpha numeric id is concerned it would help if the two posts were more than 3 minutes apart before extolling the apparent success of the faaa.Next time have a cup of tea and wait for at least 10 minutes or so.
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after reducing crew to 15 how long did it take mgt to cut out the bar on flights between
oz and asia? everyone new the new system didn't work but it took a hell of a long time before anything was done.
crew fom TAA/australian tell of the experiment with fullfare economy and the total cockup it became, discount y class had meat pies or pizzas, must have cancelled it because all the hosties put on 20 kg in 2 months.
maybe one of the fear of flying group is from that era and they don't want a repeat of the experience.... interesting times ahead, looking fwd to a pie on board with john elliot
oz and asia? everyone new the new system didn't work but it took a hell of a long time before anything was done.
crew fom TAA/australian tell of the experiment with fullfare economy and the total cockup it became, discount y class had meat pies or pizzas, must have cancelled it because all the hosties put on 20 kg in 2 months.
maybe one of the fear of flying group is from that era and they don't want a repeat of the experience.... interesting times ahead, looking fwd to a pie on board with john elliot
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I think it's a little early to count your chickens yet captainrats.
If you are still talking about voyage reports then you have probably forgotten about the cynicism of crew when it comes to the company.....
I doubt this has anything to do with them feeling guilty that the service was reduced when they took a crew member off.
More likely that they simply cannot work out a way of having 4 distinct classes on the one aircraft with the available crew.
If they could have done it they would.........OR......is it a trade off in some way?
In what way exactly will Premium Y/C be different from the rest of Y/C?
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If you are still talking about voyage reports then you have probably forgotten about the cynicism of crew when it comes to the company.....
I doubt this has anything to do with them feeling guilty that the service was reduced when they took a crew member off.
More likely that they simply cannot work out a way of having 4 distinct classes on the one aircraft with the available crew.
If they could have done it they would.........OR......is it a trade off in some way?
In what way exactly will Premium Y/C be different from the rest of Y/C?
Cheers
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Ppremium
Does this mean that the extra crew member will work on their own in Premium Luxury Coach doing another horseshoe?? And wearing a different coloured tie or scarf to indicate this exciting promotion?? Nahh just joking, the office buffoons will come up with the "procedures" and the crew will as usual sort out what's really practical and what isn't.
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