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Ryanair turns its guns on Irish Controllers
http://www.ryanair.com/site/EN/news....=gen-en-180208
'overpaid, under-worked ... should be told to "foxtrot oscar"'
'overpaid, under-worked ... should be told to "foxtrot oscar"'
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I have never worked a days Overtime in my ATC career and even if they do bring in a fancy new deal that will pay us more to guarantee them the staff to plug the gaps, i still wont be doing over time...
I value my time off and my sanity more then a few euros ever could compensate me for.
It's been 6 years now since the IAA last recruited a class of SCP's (student controllers), the last class SCP 6 got messed about by the IAA claiming that auld chestnut 9/11 as the reason and a huge down turn in the world markets...
What a load of rubbish, someone was watching their budget, thought it was slightly high for the year and decided to ruin 24 peoples lives for 15 months, originally the company wanted them gone for 3 years, but with usual IAA management tactics, start with a huge unreasonable demand and get it back down to what you really want...
They are taking on 36 student controllers, starting in the beginning of March... that's 12 more than any other class EVER. Too late by the IAA...
I dont think the Training School can even train them all at the one time. Unless the give each group of 12 staggered holidays and them make 1 group of 12 drive the Sims while 1 group is training on them.
They are looking for Direct Entry Controllers... Again too late by the IAA. They have been sitting on a pile of CV's like the Queen of Sheebah and when they finally need controllers to come in, there are very few candidates left as the IAA moved so slowly.
They have writen to Retired Controllers to come back and help the company out in their time of need and help train the new 36 controllers as to free up operational staff from the training school... Again to late by the IAA.
And still the IAA have the cheek the say that there is no staff shortage in ATC in Ireland. And then give M O'L a bit of paper with some crap figures on it and let him be their lackey and guard dog to spout rubbish in the National Media...
The IAA management need to cop on. But then again, they never had any cop on and maybe this is all part of Monsieur Brennans scheme to join us up with NATS after all and to have us all sent packing to Swanick / Prestwick.
"Sure if we join with NATS, we can give you the same conditions that they have over there across the water, wont that be grand for everyone? Oh by the way, pack your bags and get moving"
I value my time off and my sanity more then a few euros ever could compensate me for.
It's been 6 years now since the IAA last recruited a class of SCP's (student controllers), the last class SCP 6 got messed about by the IAA claiming that auld chestnut 9/11 as the reason and a huge down turn in the world markets...
What a load of rubbish, someone was watching their budget, thought it was slightly high for the year and decided to ruin 24 peoples lives for 15 months, originally the company wanted them gone for 3 years, but with usual IAA management tactics, start with a huge unreasonable demand and get it back down to what you really want...
They are taking on 36 student controllers, starting in the beginning of March... that's 12 more than any other class EVER. Too late by the IAA...
I dont think the Training School can even train them all at the one time. Unless the give each group of 12 staggered holidays and them make 1 group of 12 drive the Sims while 1 group is training on them.
They are looking for Direct Entry Controllers... Again too late by the IAA. They have been sitting on a pile of CV's like the Queen of Sheebah and when they finally need controllers to come in, there are very few candidates left as the IAA moved so slowly.
They have writen to Retired Controllers to come back and help the company out in their time of need and help train the new 36 controllers as to free up operational staff from the training school... Again to late by the IAA.
And still the IAA have the cheek the say that there is no staff shortage in ATC in Ireland. And then give M O'L a bit of paper with some crap figures on it and let him be their lackey and guard dog to spout rubbish in the National Media...
The IAA management need to cop on. But then again, they never had any cop on and maybe this is all part of Monsieur Brennans scheme to join us up with NATS after all and to have us all sent packing to Swanick / Prestwick.
"Sure if we join with NATS, we can give you the same conditions that they have over there across the water, wont that be grand for everyone? Oh by the way, pack your bags and get moving"
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Scum o'leary spouting ****e has been a hallmark of his dealings with pilots for years. Easy to say, but ignoring is all you can do.
There's more to this than just ATC shortages. At stake here is who runs the IAA, is it oleary or a safety culture?
Stick to your guns. And afterwards when giving preference, remember which local airline doesn't slag you off constantly.....
There's more to this than just ATC shortages. At stake here is who runs the IAA, is it oleary or a safety culture?
Stick to your guns. And afterwards when giving preference, remember which local airline doesn't slag you off constantly.....
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Hi Bob,
Thanks for your interest and support and I'll try to answer your questions as best I can.
Do you guys plan to strike in Dublin City Centre on Thursday outside Aviation House?
I do and I hope others will join me.
Aside from Management, are the staff in your Head offices in the City, behind you 100percent on the day?
Haven't a clue - which is an indication of the distance (physical and understanding) between controllers and other IAA staff.
Do they also recieve any financial benefits if you receieve them?
Not sure but I think other salaries are linked to controllers. And to say again, this is NOT about money. I will NOT do overtime anymore and there are others like me.
While bad publicity is annoying, we can't let it undermine us. It the end it is irrelevant to solving this. If anything it hardens my position.
Again thanks for your interest and support. For what its worth, I really hate to see air traffic disrupted - its goes against the grain - but the root cause is IAA mis-management.
Thanks for your interest and support and I'll try to answer your questions as best I can.
Do you guys plan to strike in Dublin City Centre on Thursday outside Aviation House?
I do and I hope others will join me.
Aside from Management, are the staff in your Head offices in the City, behind you 100percent on the day?
Haven't a clue - which is an indication of the distance (physical and understanding) between controllers and other IAA staff.
Do they also recieve any financial benefits if you receieve them?
Not sure but I think other salaries are linked to controllers. And to say again, this is NOT about money. I will NOT do overtime anymore and there are others like me.
While bad publicity is annoying, we can't let it undermine us. It the end it is irrelevant to solving this. If anything it hardens my position.
Again thanks for your interest and support. For what its worth, I really hate to see air traffic disrupted - its goes against the grain - but the root cause is IAA mis-management.
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I understand your conspiracy theory.
Is staffing being run down to facilitate a move to Prestwick/Swanwick?
I understand part of the reason the FAB fell apart was because staff costs in NATS were a lot higher than in the IAA.
Maybe its a very clever way to make far fields seem greener?
Or maybe they're just Muppets.
Is staffing being run down to facilitate a move to Prestwick/Swanwick?
I understand part of the reason the FAB fell apart was because staff costs in NATS were a lot higher than in the IAA.
Maybe its a very clever way to make far fields seem greener?
Or maybe they're just Muppets.
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Thanks for your reply. But do you not think that you should have all staff on your side including the staff who work in your head offices? I mean if you plan on striking outside their offices do you not want to know that they are behind you? maybe that is also part of the problem, that the controllers work for IAA yet they are seperating themselves from all other work collegues who could actually be behind you aswell?
May see you all in town if you strike on Thursday, if it really comes to that!
May see you all in town if you strike on Thursday, if it really comes to that!
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Bob,
I agree that is part of the problem. There is a them and us situation between controllers and others. Its been there a long time. Each side is suspicious the other is trying to do them. Its not a nice place to work from that point of view. This situation is an ultimate showdown in many ways and should not have been allowed to happen. Its the culture of the IAA and it looks like one side is going to have to capitulate. It won't be pretty.
I agree that is part of the problem. There is a them and us situation between controllers and others. Its been there a long time. Each side is suspicious the other is trying to do them. Its not a nice place to work from that point of view. This situation is an ultimate showdown in many ways and should not have been allowed to happen. Its the culture of the IAA and it looks like one side is going to have to capitulate. It won't be pretty.
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"And then give M O'L a bit of paper with some crap figures on it and let him be their lackey and guard dog to spout rubbish in the National Media..."
Of all the things that management have done lately I think this is what has ticked me off the most. Over the past few weeks we have had to put up with our comms manager making some rather dubious and inaccurate statements on our website. This I was prepared to put up with. I'm even prepared to put up with DFC's crap on this forum, sure it's all bull but quite amusing at the same time, bless him he does try.
But the fact that our senior management sent a letter to an airline stating figures that were widely over the top is so unbelievable as to border on the insane. They were not content with sprouting their own bull**** as to promote MOL to become their public lapdog. This just shows the thinking behind some of them. Not happy to bad mouth us themselves, they resort to letting the airlines do it. Pure cowardice on their part and something I won't forgive them for.
Just for the record, I also have never worked overtime and never will. I also do not earn anywhere close to 140,000 and even if I worked all my rest days as overtime I still would'nt get close to it.
Let's make this quite clear, the one solution to this process can and will only be more staff.
Of all the things that management have done lately I think this is what has ticked me off the most. Over the past few weeks we have had to put up with our comms manager making some rather dubious and inaccurate statements on our website. This I was prepared to put up with. I'm even prepared to put up with DFC's crap on this forum, sure it's all bull but quite amusing at the same time, bless him he does try.
But the fact that our senior management sent a letter to an airline stating figures that were widely over the top is so unbelievable as to border on the insane. They were not content with sprouting their own bull**** as to promote MOL to become their public lapdog. This just shows the thinking behind some of them. Not happy to bad mouth us themselves, they resort to letting the airlines do it. Pure cowardice on their part and something I won't forgive them for.
Just for the record, I also have never worked overtime and never will. I also do not earn anywhere close to 140,000 and even if I worked all my rest days as overtime I still would'nt get close to it.
Let's make this quite clear, the one solution to this process can and will only be more staff.
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Smell a rat?
To one and all,Keep your eyes on the ball.
A news release from yesterday on the Ryanair website clearly stated that:
"Ryanair has confirmed with people involved in the LRC negotiations last week that IMPACT are demanding the following........blah blah blah"
This is a direct quote(except for the blah blah blah) and its importance cannot be under estimated.This undermines the whole IR mechanism of the state.These talks are supposedly confidential until such time as an agreement can be reached.It is now without doubt that our beloved management negotiators have been drip feeding Mr MOL with half truths.The man responsible for this has to be held accountable and should in due course when eventually exposed,be forced to step down from his position.
As a matter of urgency this debacle should be raised with the Labour Court on Monday.
Who are are Union Reps now dealing with?The IAA or Ryanair?
It has been no secret that the IAA have had a "special" relationship with Ryanair for sometime now.Just cast a thought back to the instruction to the guys in Shannon to facilitate Ryanairs operations in Shannon via a staff notice.Rumor also has it that IAA management have also intervened in assisting them with their flight planning in order to save Mr MOL even more Euros.
One has to consider the implications of an Aviation Authority that incidentally regulates itself,dishing out special treatment to any airline.What would our national carrier think of such practices?
As for the mole,well,we all may have an idea but for the moment,let the Labour Court deal with that issue in the same professional manner that we have dealt with the gross mis-management of the so called world leader that allegedly is The IAA.
Management are isolating and exposing themselves at every juncture.Just remember,NOTA has yet to be voted on.What are the chances of that portion of airspace reverting to oceanic?I rest my case.
A news release from yesterday on the Ryanair website clearly stated that:
"Ryanair has confirmed with people involved in the LRC negotiations last week that IMPACT are demanding the following........blah blah blah"
This is a direct quote(except for the blah blah blah) and its importance cannot be under estimated.This undermines the whole IR mechanism of the state.These talks are supposedly confidential until such time as an agreement can be reached.It is now without doubt that our beloved management negotiators have been drip feeding Mr MOL with half truths.The man responsible for this has to be held accountable and should in due course when eventually exposed,be forced to step down from his position.
As a matter of urgency this debacle should be raised with the Labour Court on Monday.
Who are are Union Reps now dealing with?The IAA or Ryanair?
It has been no secret that the IAA have had a "special" relationship with Ryanair for sometime now.Just cast a thought back to the instruction to the guys in Shannon to facilitate Ryanairs operations in Shannon via a staff notice.Rumor also has it that IAA management have also intervened in assisting them with their flight planning in order to save Mr MOL even more Euros.
One has to consider the implications of an Aviation Authority that incidentally regulates itself,dishing out special treatment to any airline.What would our national carrier think of such practices?
As for the mole,well,we all may have an idea but for the moment,let the Labour Court deal with that issue in the same professional manner that we have dealt with the gross mis-management of the so called world leader that allegedly is The IAA.
Management are isolating and exposing themselves at every juncture.Just remember,NOTA has yet to be voted on.What are the chances of that portion of airspace reverting to oceanic?I rest my case.
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But do you not think that you should have all staff on your side including the staff who work in your head offices? I mean if you plan on striking outside their offices do you not want to know that they are behind you?
they cannot walk off the job to support us- even if they wanted to.
their respective unions would have to officially support the atcos.
also, please note that no-one that is not a member of atc branch/impact will be crossing a picket per se, its not their strike!
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FACT
Rumor also has it that IAA management have also intervened in assisting them with their flight planning in order to save Mr MOL even more Euros.
maybe that was the salary the IAA charged him for the service (€142k) ?
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Found this para. in the LRC's Customer Service Charter
Confidentiality
We recognise that the trust our customers place in us is essential
to our credibility and value as a service provider. We will at all
times respect and maintain the confidentiality of information that
is entrusted to us. We will ensure that our meetings with you take
place in private and that the outcomes of those meetings remain
confidential, where appropriate, to the parties involved
Unless someone in the LRC is breaking the rules MOL's scource has to be Impact or the IAA
They do have an online complaint form, I suggest that we all fill it in
Eoghan Corry has joined the Dark Side. His latest rant says we want €20,000 to sign up for OT on top of our €142k Salaries!!!!!!
He also seems to be lamenting that we cannot be carried off in chains a al Ronnie Reagan
He has not as far as I'm aware actually spoken to a controller so if he's reading this and would like to interview an actual air traffic controller he should post a message on this thread and request one. I'm sure that there's no shortage of volunteers here
Lets be honest here Impact are F**k all use with the media so we may as well look after ourselves here.
Sorry I forgot! If anyone in the media contacts us we have to refer them to IMPACT's media officer.
Confidentiality
We recognise that the trust our customers place in us is essential
to our credibility and value as a service provider. We will at all
times respect and maintain the confidentiality of information that
is entrusted to us. We will ensure that our meetings with you take
place in private and that the outcomes of those meetings remain
confidential, where appropriate, to the parties involved
Unless someone in the LRC is breaking the rules MOL's scource has to be Impact or the IAA
They do have an online complaint form, I suggest that we all fill it in
Eoghan Corry has joined the Dark Side. His latest rant says we want €20,000 to sign up for OT on top of our €142k Salaries!!!!!!
He also seems to be lamenting that we cannot be carried off in chains a al Ronnie Reagan
He has not as far as I'm aware actually spoken to a controller so if he's reading this and would like to interview an actual air traffic controller he should post a message on this thread and request one. I'm sure that there's no shortage of volunteers here
Lets be honest here Impact are F**k all use with the media so we may as well look after ourselves here.
Sorry I forgot! If anyone in the media contacts us we have to refer them to IMPACT's media officer.
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FAA Controller Fatigue
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znxJf...eature=related
The NTSB guy said the Scheduling Rosters were the same from 3 decades ago....
Kind of sounds like our rosters? Same roster patterns more or less for the last 30 years even though the traffic levels are exponentially higher than they were back then and the traffic has a higher level of complexity than back then too.
Our job is stressful and fatigue inducing with long hours. We need more staff to give us breaks when they are needed. Sitting In for 2+ hours is the norm in Shannon and it has gotten to the stage where controllers feel bad when taking a break after only 1 hour in postion even if they have been working high volumes of traffic or a lot of complex traffic. Our attitudes to fatigue needs to change or there will be a serious accident sooner rather than later.
The NTSB guy said the Scheduling Rosters were the same from 3 decades ago....
Kind of sounds like our rosters? Same roster patterns more or less for the last 30 years even though the traffic levels are exponentially higher than they were back then and the traffic has a higher level of complexity than back then too.
Our job is stressful and fatigue inducing with long hours. We need more staff to give us breaks when they are needed. Sitting In for 2+ hours is the norm in Shannon and it has gotten to the stage where controllers feel bad when taking a break after only 1 hour in postion even if they have been working high volumes of traffic or a lot of complex traffic. Our attitudes to fatigue needs to change or there will be a serious accident sooner rather than later.
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Bob,
You say it is "likely that the company wont back down"
This is not a duel as such,the short term solution is going to be interesting (more than likely overtime),and to get numbers(cause alot of ATCO's wont do it, and the few that do it does alot of overtime which after these talks might bring in legisation to restrict overtime hours).
So it really does not matter what happens of talks on monday or who backs down
It is really going to be hard for the IAA to get numbers.Now if they offered the money that ryanair say we earn then everyboby would sign up cause them figures MOL quoted are so way off
You say it is "likely that the company wont back down"
This is not a duel as such,the short term solution is going to be interesting (more than likely overtime),and to get numbers(cause alot of ATCO's wont do it, and the few that do it does alot of overtime which after these talks might bring in legisation to restrict overtime hours).
So it really does not matter what happens of talks on monday or who backs down
It is really going to be hard for the IAA to get numbers.Now if they offered the money that ryanair say we earn then everyboby would sign up cause them figures MOL quoted are so way off
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hi all just got the pay scale's. mol is talking bo
ox 140k
= After three years satisfactory service at the maximum.
2 = After six years satisfactory service at the maximum.
3 = After six years satisfactory service with the ‘barrier’.
Irish Aviation Authority
1st January 2005 (Phase two of Sustaining Progress part two)
Domain Manager
80,182 - 83,046 - 85,911 - 88,775 - 91,637 - 94,503 - 97,366 - 100,228
ATM Specialist
74,993 - 77,337 - 79,683 - 82,024 - 84,370 - 86,713 - 89,059 - 91,410
Station Manager
60,409 - 62,306 - 64,206 - 66,102 - 68,001 - 69,898 - 71,796 - 73,697
ATCO Expert
57,693 - 59,052 - 60,410 - 61,763 - 63,120 - 64,479 - 65,835 - 68,046 - 70,254
Operational ATCO
42,767 - 44,121 - 45,479 - 46,839 - 48,192 - 49,554 - 50,907 - 52,265 - 53,623 - 54,977 - 56,337 - 57,693 - 59,052 - 60,410 - 61,763 - 63,120 - 64,479 - 65,835
Data Assistant Training & Operational
16,151 - 17,088 - 18,023 - 18,960 - 19,896 - 20,830 - 21,766 - 22,704 - 23,638 - 24,576 - 25,510 - 26,445 - 27,382 - 28,317 - 29,254 - 30,186 - 3,307HDA
Student Controllers
15,738Op Allowance - 27,029
ACD Watch Manager
55,037 - 56,478 - 57,914 - 59,371 - 60,847 - 62,820
Operational RO
32,883 - 34,027 - 35,174 - 36,468 - 37,642 - 38,784 - 39,943 - 41,269 - 42,421 - 43,772 - 44,930 - 46,427 - 47,737 - 50,238 - 51,556 - 52,776 - 54,574 - 56,145 Higher point
Chief Aeronautical Inspector
78,376 - 81,718 - 85,041 - 88,387 - 91,715 - 93,479 - 94,802 - 96,747
Aeronautical Inspector
49,451 - 52,581 - 55,711 - 58,843 - 61,974 - 65,105 - 68,237 - 71,368 - 74,493 - 75,925 - 78,391 - 79,371 - 80,363 - Allowance 10,666
Aeronautical Officer/Senior Aeronautical Inspector
78,376 - 81,718 - 85,041 - 88,387 - 91,715 - 93,479 - 94,802 - 96,747
Aeronautical Executive
58,736 - 60,929 - 63,103 - 65,285 - 67,469 - 69,647 - 70,98 - 71,989
Teagasc - advisory
Scales at 1st December 2004
Advisory Grade 1
31,600 - 34,297 - 37,003 -39,696 - 41,365 - 43,038 - 44,692 - 46,362 - 48,030 - 49,699 - 51,366 - 53,073 -54,9231 - 56,7702
Advisory Grade 2
53,142 - 54,395 - 55,641 - 56,895 - 58,151 - 59,399 - 60,647 - 61,914 - 63,9711 - 66,0312
Advisory Grade 3
57,282 - 59,147 - 60,952 - 62,689 - 64,492 - 66,271 - 67,982 - 69,715 - 71,905 - 74,5321 - 77,1602
Advisory Grade 4
69,454 - 74,144 - 78,645 - 83,694 - 88,087 - 90,8991 - 93,7072
Advisory Grade 5
81,068 - 84,427 - 87,806 - 91,167 - 94,527 - 97,5511 - 100,5782
Senior Inspector
69,456 - 74,139 - 78,874 - 83,694 - 88,087
Teagasc - technician scales
Scales at 1st December 2004
Principal Experimental Officer
59,559 - 63,201 - 66,943 - 70,803
Experimental Officer 1
57,499 - 60,381 - 63,286 - 65,414
Experimental Officer 2
51,896 - 54,155 - 56,471 - 58,787 - 61,192
Promotion Grade
43,867 - 45,826 - 47,605 - 49,430 - 51,281 - 52,983 - 54,686
Career Grade - Teagasc
32,090 - 33,210 - 34,254 - 36,646 - 38,623 - 40,378 - 42,258 - 44,056 - 45,956 - 47,808 - 48,6941
Entry Grade - Teagasc
26,902 - 27,799 - 29,719 - 31,699 - 33,745
Senior Supervisory A officer
53,554
Senior Technical Officer
30,777 - 32,089 - 33,688 - 35,022 - 36,589 - 37,916 - 39,257 - 39,257 - 40,849 - 42,142
Technician Grade 3
44,054 - 45,956 - 47,806 - 48,6951
Technician Grade 2
32,090 - 33,211 - 34,254 - 36,649 - 38,624 - 40,381 - 42,259
Technician Grade 1
26,900 - 27,798 - 29,719 - 31,700 - 33,743
ox 140k = After three years satisfactory service at the maximum.2 = After six years satisfactory service at the maximum.
3 = After six years satisfactory service with the ‘barrier’.
Irish Aviation Authority
1st January 2005 (Phase two of Sustaining Progress part two)
Domain Manager
80,182 - 83,046 - 85,911 - 88,775 - 91,637 - 94,503 - 97,366 - 100,228
ATM Specialist
74,993 - 77,337 - 79,683 - 82,024 - 84,370 - 86,713 - 89,059 - 91,410
Station Manager
60,409 - 62,306 - 64,206 - 66,102 - 68,001 - 69,898 - 71,796 - 73,697
ATCO Expert
57,693 - 59,052 - 60,410 - 61,763 - 63,120 - 64,479 - 65,835 - 68,046 - 70,254
Operational ATCO
42,767 - 44,121 - 45,479 - 46,839 - 48,192 - 49,554 - 50,907 - 52,265 - 53,623 - 54,977 - 56,337 - 57,693 - 59,052 - 60,410 - 61,763 - 63,120 - 64,479 - 65,835
Data Assistant Training & Operational
16,151 - 17,088 - 18,023 - 18,960 - 19,896 - 20,830 - 21,766 - 22,704 - 23,638 - 24,576 - 25,510 - 26,445 - 27,382 - 28,317 - 29,254 - 30,186 - 3,307HDA
Student Controllers
15,738Op Allowance - 27,029
ACD Watch Manager
55,037 - 56,478 - 57,914 - 59,371 - 60,847 - 62,820
Operational RO
32,883 - 34,027 - 35,174 - 36,468 - 37,642 - 38,784 - 39,943 - 41,269 - 42,421 - 43,772 - 44,930 - 46,427 - 47,737 - 50,238 - 51,556 - 52,776 - 54,574 - 56,145 Higher point
Chief Aeronautical Inspector
78,376 - 81,718 - 85,041 - 88,387 - 91,715 - 93,479 - 94,802 - 96,747
Aeronautical Inspector
49,451 - 52,581 - 55,711 - 58,843 - 61,974 - 65,105 - 68,237 - 71,368 - 74,493 - 75,925 - 78,391 - 79,371 - 80,363 - Allowance 10,666
Aeronautical Officer/Senior Aeronautical Inspector
78,376 - 81,718 - 85,041 - 88,387 - 91,715 - 93,479 - 94,802 - 96,747
Aeronautical Executive
58,736 - 60,929 - 63,103 - 65,285 - 67,469 - 69,647 - 70,98 - 71,989
Teagasc - advisory
Scales at 1st December 2004
Advisory Grade 1
31,600 - 34,297 - 37,003 -39,696 - 41,365 - 43,038 - 44,692 - 46,362 - 48,030 - 49,699 - 51,366 - 53,073 -54,9231 - 56,7702
Advisory Grade 2
53,142 - 54,395 - 55,641 - 56,895 - 58,151 - 59,399 - 60,647 - 61,914 - 63,9711 - 66,0312
Advisory Grade 3
57,282 - 59,147 - 60,952 - 62,689 - 64,492 - 66,271 - 67,982 - 69,715 - 71,905 - 74,5321 - 77,1602
Advisory Grade 4
69,454 - 74,144 - 78,645 - 83,694 - 88,087 - 90,8991 - 93,7072
Advisory Grade 5
81,068 - 84,427 - 87,806 - 91,167 - 94,527 - 97,5511 - 100,5782
Senior Inspector
69,456 - 74,139 - 78,874 - 83,694 - 88,087
Teagasc - technician scales
Scales at 1st December 2004
Principal Experimental Officer
59,559 - 63,201 - 66,943 - 70,803
Experimental Officer 1
57,499 - 60,381 - 63,286 - 65,414
Experimental Officer 2
51,896 - 54,155 - 56,471 - 58,787 - 61,192
Promotion Grade
43,867 - 45,826 - 47,605 - 49,430 - 51,281 - 52,983 - 54,686
Career Grade - Teagasc
32,090 - 33,210 - 34,254 - 36,646 - 38,623 - 40,378 - 42,258 - 44,056 - 45,956 - 47,808 - 48,6941
Entry Grade - Teagasc
26,902 - 27,799 - 29,719 - 31,699 - 33,745
Senior Supervisory A officer
53,554
Senior Technical Officer
30,777 - 32,089 - 33,688 - 35,022 - 36,589 - 37,916 - 39,257 - 39,257 - 40,849 - 42,142
Technician Grade 3
44,054 - 45,956 - 47,806 - 48,6951
Technician Grade 2
32,090 - 33,211 - 34,254 - 36,649 - 38,624 - 40,381 - 42,259
Technician Grade 1
26,900 - 27,798 - 29,719 - 31,700 - 33,743
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Eye on the ball and watch yer back
IRLATCO and the other sensible posts have hit the nail on the head!!
KEEP yer EYE on the ball!!!!!!!!!
Remember the oul strategy - divide and conquer or throw in so many octa of fogstuff that the BIG issues are forgotten.
MOL, the Corrys and the rest are in this for the mouth and the blast and couldn't give a fiddlers f**rt about ATCOs and make no mistake as this moves on very few will give a fiddlers f**rt for ATC cos yez are rockin the boat too much! When it's over yez will still be there at 0300 moving the droves from the Atlantic into sleepy Europe and keeping RYR on time (on track (FPL) and within the procedures as published as well maybe!!).
Either way keep the focus!!!!!
If (when) this is called over there will not be a single mention of ATC.... unless some fatigued unfortunate bangs a few together (in the sincere hope that this will NEVER happen) and then the blood hunt will start and the MOLs and Corrys of this world will scream again.....
Eye on the ball and never mind the BO***CKS!!
RESPECT ATCOS
KEEP yer EYE on the ball!!!!!!!!!
Remember the oul strategy - divide and conquer or throw in so many octa of fogstuff that the BIG issues are forgotten.
MOL, the Corrys and the rest are in this for the mouth and the blast and couldn't give a fiddlers f**rt about ATCOs and make no mistake as this moves on very few will give a fiddlers f**rt for ATC cos yez are rockin the boat too much! When it's over yez will still be there at 0300 moving the droves from the Atlantic into sleepy Europe and keeping RYR on time (on track (FPL) and within the procedures as published as well maybe!!).
Either way keep the focus!!!!!
If (when) this is called over there will not be a single mention of ATC.... unless some fatigued unfortunate bangs a few together (in the sincere hope that this will NEVER happen) and then the blood hunt will start and the MOLs and Corrys of this world will scream again.....
Eye on the ball and never mind the BO***CKS!!
RESPECT ATCOS
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Ok guys, enough is enough ! After next thursdays day off, back to work with us all, screw the overtime, enjoy your lives and let the IAA deal with the constant closures of the main airports due to lack of staff !!
This proves two things, 1 - we don't want extra money, 2 - The IAA are understaffed.
We have tried our best at this stage to highlight the staff problem within our company, to hell with the lot of them... busy summer ahead my friends.. dont bother your holes worrying about it... we can do no more !
This proves two things, 1 - we don't want extra money, 2 - The IAA are understaffed.
We have tried our best at this stage to highlight the staff problem within our company, to hell with the lot of them... busy summer ahead my friends.. dont bother your holes worrying about it... we can do no more !