Jet2-5

[Plane.Silly]

The economics of operating 1x 325+ seat aircraft doing 2 short haul flights a day on high demand routes with 2 sets of crew must work out better than utilising 2x 189 doing 2 flights per day with 4 sets of crews. As a holiday company you also need to look at whats going on in resort.

I'm with you on this one. It definately makes sense with them trying their hand with the leased A332, Some of the largest bases/destinations are more slot constrained, either by terminal size or runway/parking space. certainly from a runway/ parking perspective, to Remedy this, consolidating 2x 189 on to a widebody frees up a spare slot for future growth, while maintaining the same capacity on the existing routemakes sense as you deliver the same

I only suggested the B788 since Jet2 like to own Boeing and lease Airbus. An all economy B788 would probably get in the region of 350 seats, close to 2 x B738's at 378 seats, that was the logic behind all this

[rog747]

Historically in the past we have seen all the major IT holiday charter airlines use on their prime high density routes big wide body aircraft - all big people movers.

BOAC used their new 747-100's LHR to Palma at weekends when they first got them from 1971
Then Court Line Tristars Laker and BCAL DC-10's, B-tours Tristars
A300's of Laker Monarch Orion Dan Air.
Britannia 767's from 1984 and so on

In Europe Condor Scanair/SAS KLM Sabena LTU Finnair Martinair TEA Conair used a mix of 747's DC-10's A300 A330 MD11 and Tristar to the Med and Canaries all the time.

Since the plethora of new 737 and A320/321 coming along we have seen smaller and smaller aircraft used on peak IT routes with ever increasing design in maxing out of seats - the 757 and 767 are now a rare species.

The economics and size of the A330 see's their use again on peak IT routes
The 787 which TUI use around their short and medium haul does not have the same economics and they were not really designed for short haul use.

Not sure if we will ever see the days of large numbers of wide bodies back on these types of flights

[chaps1954]

It may well be the way companies sell package holidays, they all used to go on certain days (hotel ,changeover) but now people want to go the days that suit them so instead of all flights going on a Wednesday they are now 5 flights a week and people picking say Easyjet out and return on Jet2 because of days of operation, times etc.
The other thing 30 years ago the main small aircraft were a lot smaller than now (1-11, B732) as against B738/A321 even A320 are not common.

[Cuillin Hills]

I am with rog747 on this one - A330 is an excellent, very capable aircraft compared to a B788 and adapts very well to the short haul holiday market (compared to the B788).

I still don’t get the economics of a B788 in such a market - there’s is considerable seat mile cost savings with a B738 compared to the high lease rates of a B788.

[Buster the Bear]

The economics of operating 1x 325+ seat aircraft doing 2 short haul flights a day on high demand routes with 2 sets of crew must work out better than utilising 2x 189 doing 2 flights per day with 4 sets of crews. As a holiday company you also need to look at whats going on in resort. It's TUI Holidays that needs the flights, not TUI Airways. So one set of transfers, check-in at Airport and Hotels, reps etc etc.

How long are the 757's due to be around for? That will be a cut in capacity and also restricts the US flights.

At least 2025.

[BasilFawlty]

Will they last that long when it comes to flight cycles?

[rog747]

The other thing 30 years ago the main small aircraft were a lot smaller than now (1-11, B732) as against B738/A321 even A320 are not common.

Good point but the 1-11 and first 737's started on the IT charter market were over 50 years ago! British Eagle Laker Autair then Court and Channel AW - first BY 737 in 1968
Then along came in the early 70's older big jets like cheap but thirsty 707's 720B's and the 727-100's on the IT charters (KT BD DA GK and OM)
followed soon by the first new Court and Laker wide bodies.

[willy wombat]

Don’t forget Donaldson (DI?)

[rog747]

Don’t forget Donaldson (DI?)

Yup- you are a sharp pin on the ball - lol - 707's to Palma etc

[azz767]

Jethros are reporting that the proposed summer lease of an Evelop A330-300 has now been cancelled.

Anyone know anymore? Are they looking for a replacement or is it they have realised they don't need that capacity.

[116d]

The economics of operating 1x 325+ seat aircraft doing 2 short haul flights a day on high demand routes with 2 sets of crew must work out better than utilising 2x 189 doing 2 flights per day with 4 sets of crews. As a holiday company you also need to look at whats going on in resort. It's TUI Holidays that needs the flights, not TUI Airways. So one set of transfers, check-in at Airport and Hotels, reps etc etc.

Additionally, it probably suits TUI to use a 787 on a short-haul hop in between long-haul flights as that aircraft would otherwise be sat on the ground and frees up a 737/757 for use on another short-haul route. See also BA/IB using widebodies on LHR-MAD or even EI using A330's DUB-Europe - the usage in this manner is in between long-haul sectors and meets a need to provide more capacity than a single narrowbody and as an alternative to doubling up flights.

I agree that the use of a widebody on a short-haul route doesn't make sense on the face of it and it makes no sense to buy and use an aircraft as capable (and expensive when new) as the 787 in that way all the time. However, when the bigger picture is taken into account you can see why TUI do it and why they're not alone in that regard.

[BusBoy]

And if No Deal Brexit (sorry!) happens and UK airlines are capped at the 2018 frequencies suddenly the wide bodies look even better

[Leeds Spotter]

Jet2 are to offer booking in the day before for hold cases from 3pm to 8pm
https://www.jet2.com/twilight
This is certainly ideal for me as I struggle with my partner in a wheel chair or families with buggies etc.

[Civagiarn]

Does anyone know where the 757s will be based this summer and on what routes?

[irishlad06]

Does anyone know where the 757s will be based this summer and on what routes?


At the minute it looks like the plan is for 4 x B757’s to be based in LBA. (Maybe a titan B757 as well but not confirmed as Air Europa EC-IDT seems to be based there instead.

7xB757’s to be based in MAN with 6 flying and 1 on standby.

From MAN and LBA they will fly a mixture of routes.

A quick looks shows the below

DLM
FUE
ACE
HER
PFO
LCA
ZTH
ADB
IBZ
FAO
VCE
AGP
ALC
REU
DBV
BCN
RHO
LPA
EFL
FNC
CFU
TFS
BUD
PMI
MAH
BJV
SPU
ALC


These are subject to change however are all
on sale as B757s between 27th July and 2nd Aug.

[garry8g]

Jet2's last brand new B737-800 (G-JZBS) flew to the paint shop in Bournemouth this morning. Not long till we see it in full Jet2 Holidays livery!

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

Jethros are reporting that the proposed summer lease of an Evelop A330-300 has now been cancelled.

Anyone know anymore?

I do........:ok:

[irishlad06]

i do........:ok:

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[HH6702]

Which was ??

evelop need it themselves due to late A350 arrival

or

jet2 can't fill the aircraft anymore

[Stanstedeye]

BA
Has been working out of STN.

[southside bobby]

Yes correctly pointed out...he meant JZBS.

[garry8g]

Yes correctly pointed out...he meant JZBS.

Yes...typo...was supposed to be G-JZBS...sorry folks

[Plane.Silly]

Which was ??
evelop need it themselves due to late A350 arrival
or
jet2 can't fill the aircraft anymore

I don't doubt Jet2 could have sold all the 350+ seats it had, the fact they brought in a 2nd Air tankers testament to that.
My money would be either on Evelop for the A350 delay or...dare i say it...uncertainty from the 'B' word

[jethro15]

Which was ??

evelop need it themselves due to late A350 arrival

or

jet2 can't fill the aircraft anymore

Neither of the above

[LBAflyer22]

Which was ??
evelop need it themselves due to late A350 arrival

or
jet2 can't fill the aircraft anymore

Neither probably. The deal probably fell through like the Air Asia A330-300 one did for Summer 2015. Jet2 took stock; continued to grow; and within 2 years had 1 wide-bodied operating for them both during the Summer for Short Haul and EWR for winter operation. Within 4 years of the original plan they want 3 - i doubt that they cannot fill them. Could probably fill one A330 going twice daily to PMI during June, July, August and some September.

I don't doubt Jet2 could have sold all the 350+ seats it had, the fact they brought in a 2nd Air tankers testament to that.
My money would be either on Evelop for the A350 delay or...dare i say it...uncertainty from the 'B' word

I reckon the uncertainty isn't helping. Like the Air Asia A330 for 2015 - probably pull; take stock; grow & revisit within a few years. Within 2 years we'll know the fall out from Brexit at least.

[BFS BHD]

Have G-GDFH B737-300 & G-GDFT B737-300 both been withdrawn from service or are they getting a 'C' Checks?

Also anyone know where the other 2nd hand B737-800s are coming from? Four are ex Primera. But there is meant to be 5 or 6 more 2nd hand due for S19.

[Fly757X]

Have G-GDFH B737-300 & G-GDFT B737-300 both been withdrawn from service or are they getting a 'C' Checks?

Also anyone know where the other 2nd hand B737-800s are coming from? Four are ex Primera. But there is meant to be 5 or 6 more 2nd hand due for S19.

G-GDFH has been WFU, citing significant issues, G-GDFT is just in for checks.

[BFS BHD]

Thanks Fly757X!

[BasilFawlty]

G-GDFH has been WFU, citing significant issues
Just out of interest: what sort of issues?

[Plane.Silly]

Just out of interest: what sort of issues?

Was in for maintenance, found corrosion on the wing. Must have been serious enough to warrant retirement.
Shame since it probably had a good few years left in it by Jet2's standards

[Fly757X]

Was in for maintenance, found corrosion on the wing. Must have been serious enough to warrant retirement.
Shame since it probably had a good few years left in it by Jet2's standards

Indeed and after this year it will leave only GDFG and GDFT in the .com livery in the -300 fleet.

[MKY661]

Indeed and after this year it will leave only GDFG and GDFT in the .com livery in the -300 fleet.

Also G-GDFE, unless that is due to be retired as well? I thought only the rest of the G-CEL*'s were going?

[Buster the Bear]

G-GDFH is at Lasham and destined to be scrapped once all the usable components have been removed.

[LiamNCL]

G-JZBK positioned to NCL today in what looks to have replaced 1 of 2 final remaining 733's at the base, Tomorrows NCL-GNB is the last flight im aware of on the 737-300 from Newcastle.

[Fly757X]

Also G-GDFE, unless that is due to be retired as well? I thought only the rest of the G-CEL*'s were going?

Knew I would forget GDFE! I've heard very little on it but I would assume it will follow shortly behind CELE/Y

[VentureGo]

G-JZBK positioned to NCL today in what looks to have replaced 1 of 2 final remaining 733's at the base, Tomorrows NCL-GNB is the last flight im aware of on the 737-300 from Newcastle.Quote:Originally Posted by MKY661 https://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (https://www.pprune.org/airlines-airports-routes/600427-jet2-5-a-52.html#post10383884)Also G-GDFE, unless that is due to be retired as well? I thought only the rest of the G-CEL*'s were going?Knew I would forget GDFE! I've heard very little on it but I would assume it will follow shortly behind CELE/Y

G-GDFE operated the Newcastle to Grenoble and return flight today, then went onwards to operate NCL to Sofia and return so maybe this may/ not be last 733's out of Newcastle

[LiamNCL]

G-GDFE operated the Newcastle to Grenoble and return flight today, then went onwards to operate NCL to Sofia and return so maybe this may/ not be last 733's out of Newcastle

Next weeks NCL-GNB is on a 738 cant find what the Sofia flight is , maybe its got a few weeks left yet then.

[LiamNCL]

Next weeks NCL-GNB is on a 738 cant find what the Sofia flight is , maybe its got a few weeks left yet then.

GDFE positioned to EMA this morning that makes Newcastle now a fully 738 base.

[garry8g]

G-DRTT returned to Leeds last night from Bournemouth, following it's repaint out of Primera livery.

[garry8g]

B737-800 G-DRTG has flown it's first revenue flight for Jet2 this morning, Leeds to Alicante and return (LS271/272).

[rog747]

I spose Jet2 aircraft registrations G-JZxx means Jet2 and G-JZHx Jet2 Holidays
and G-DRTx from the parent Dart group :):rolleyes:

[Gurnard]

You're absolutely right!

[rog747]

You're absolutely right!

Yay! gold star for me and I like their TV ads - very upbeat

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

G-GDFx = Great Deal Friendlier
G-CELx = Channel Express

I don’t know what G-JZBx relates to apart from the obvious (perhaps) JZ element.

[Fly757X]

G-GDFx = Great Deal Friendlier
G-CELx = Channel Express

I don’t know what G-JZBx relates to apart from the obvious (perhaps) JZ element.

G-JZBx = Jet2 City(B)reaks?

[BOHEuropean]

Only guessing here, but J for Jet2, Z because it looks like a 2 (Jet2) and B for Boeing

G-JZB..

[Plane.Silly]

Will be interesting to see what comes next in a few years time.
They've started a Villas product, so maybe the next series could be G-JZV#?
Also helps with aircraft ID, since they have A#, B#, F#, H# and T# lines

[G-AZUK]

The G-DRTx series are all the leased units, so likely will be sooner rather than later before they need a new series depending on their used aircraft acquisition needs. I'd personally like to see G-EXSx as a nod to their heritage!

[rog747]

call sign was Channex IRC - so G-CHXx or G-CNXx

[garry8g]

The G-DRTx series are all the leased units, so likely will be sooner rather than later before they need a new series depending on their used aircraft acquisition needs.

There are other leased units within the fleet, not in that series:- G-GDFC, G-GDFF, G-GDFJ, G-GDFS, G-GDFV, G-GDFW, G-GDFX, G-GDFZ. And also G-JZHA & G-JZHB.

I'm also sure that a couple of the G-DRTx series are owned.

[garry8g]

G-DRTT (Ex Primera) aircraft currently out for a test flight from LBA - I think.

[BFS BHD]

G-GDFH has been WFU, citing significant issues, G-GDFT is just in for checks.

Any idea when G-GDFT will be in the air again?

[Buster the Bear]

Next week for G-GDFT.

[BFS BHD]

Next week for G-GDFT.

Thanks! Any word on when the other 2nd hand B737-800 are due? Going by Jethros there is ten more due prior Summer 2019.

[mariofly12]

I know that Jet2 is phasing out its very old -300s but instead of going for a full-only 738-fleet, shouldn't it lease some newish 737-700 to stay in the 150pax-category? Type-rating shouldn't be a problem, the planes are not that old (compared to the 733s and 752s) and they'd cover a lot of thinner/winter routes where the 738s may be a bit big..Plus the 737-700 has great range and can fly to/from the Canaries/Cyprus with no problem..Just a thought..

[chaps1954]

In Europe the B737-700 hasn`t really sold that well and the UK market seems to not like them at all, B738 does`t seem to have any problems in general on Cyprus or Canary Islands
routes

[mariofly12]

In Europe the B737-700 hasn`t really sold that well and the UK market seems to not like them at all, B738 does`t seem to have any problems in general on Cyprus or Canary Islands
routes

Yes i know the 738 flies without any problems to Canaries,Cyprus..I was referring more to the pax capacity issue, where a 737-700 can replace the 733s on thinner routes or winter routes. And the 737-700 might not have had the success of Airbus but it's still flown by TUI,Tarom,KLM,Blue Air, Germania until recently,SAS

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

I was referring more to the pax capacity issue, where a 737-700 can replace the 733s on thinner routes or winter routes

For the little difference it is to operate a 700 vs an 800 it isn't worth restricting yourself, might as well operate a 800 with the extra 40 seats in the hope of selling some of them rather than being constrained.

[LiamNCL]

See no case for Jet2 to operate 2 varients of the 737. The 737-800 has 189 seats which is only about 5 more than the A320 these days. With airlines in direct competition with Jet2 like easyjet phasing out the A319, Ryanair and TUI operating the 738 and larger MAX models Jet2 would just be handicapping theirself with a smaller model that has considerably less seats.

[mullac30]

Yes i know the 738 flies without any problems to Canaries,Cyprus..I was referring more to the pax capacity issue, where a 737-700 can replace the 733s on thinner routes or winter routes. And the 737-700 might not have had the success of Airbus but it's still flown by TUI,Tarom,KLM,Blue Air, Germania until recently,SAS
If they really wanted an aircaft for thin routes, it would make more sense to go for one that was purpose built for the segment, like the A220-300, rather than a shink which would only have marginally lower running costs than the main model .

[garry8g]

G-DRTT is currently on it's return leg, of it's first revenue flight for Jet2, on it's way back to Leeds from Alicante.

G-DRTH is flying a test flight from Leeds today, currently over the west coast of Ireland.

The workshop will be ready soon to receive some more of the 2nd hand B737-800, for their Jet2 preparation.

[caaardiff]

Yes i know the 738 flies without any problems to Canaries,Cyprus..I was referring more to the pax capacity issue, where a 737-700 can replace the 733s on thinner routes or winter routes. And the 737-700 might not have had the success of Airbus but it's still flown by TUI,Tarom,KLM,Blue Air, Germania until recently,SAS

I'm not sure which bases the 733 currently operates at, but as a general view of overall capacity, when the 757's are retired there will be a loss of capacity from the 757 to 738 of 46 seats whereas to replace a 737-300 with a 737-800 is an increase of 41 seats so there's a fairly even balance in replacing both of those ageing types. Having a standard fleet will also save costs

[rog747]

Quite a few ex Jet2 737-300's at Kemble Cotswold airfield sitting in the sun yesterday sans engines - Guess these airframes are all for scrapping.

Re the 737-700 - a good aircraft - 148 seats and it will take you with a full load from LGW to Aswan in Egypt or across the pond to Newfoundland.
Also more ideal for places like GIB SEN and JER where the -800 is not able to optimally perform.

As we know the 757 will be sorely missed - I worked with it from 1983 and saw how it developed into multi role missions and the first UK ETOPS across the pond to MCO - An irreplaceable beast - not sure if Boeing will re-develop it in it's new aircraft projects.

[Plane.Silly]

I'm not sure which bases the 733 currently operates at, but as a general view of overall capacity, when the 757's are retired there will be a loss of capacity from the 757 to 738 of 46 seats whereas to replace a 737-300 with a 737-800 is an increase of 41 seats so there's a fairly even balance in replacing both of those ageing types. Having a standard fleet will also save costs

B733's are now only based at BFS/EMA and LBA. B752's are only at LBA and MAN, all the rest are B738's. Hope that clarifies that issue.

People don't realise there are still a few relatively young 733's. G-GDFG/K/L/N/O/T are all between 20 and 22 years old, the way Jet2 treat them, they'll be around for a good 8-10 years yet, A couple of these are even younger than the oldest B738's in the fleet (G-GDFD / P)
Yes the majority of the fleet will be B738, but there will be several routes which just can't sustain the 189 seats on offer and actually makes it better to operate the 148 seats on a B733. It also gives then the option to switch capacity where it's required.

On the flipside, half of the B752 are 31 years+, so these must surely be on the retirement radar. Jet2 have dabbled in the A321 and A330's looking at the extra capacity they offer, and i've no doubt they could sell a lot more on some of their most popular routes, Ideally we'd need to see some sort of deal being made this year to allow these to come in and the B752's to phase out. This discussion has come up before on this thread, so wewon't dig any deeper than we need to.

[Chesty Morgan]

Although the cost is the same to operate an 800 as it is a 300 on sub 3 (ish) hour legs.

[P330]

When LS started to receive the new build 738s, they went to specific bases. Are the new and old 738s all naturally mixed around the bases now with no favourite homes for the new birds?

[irishlad06]

When LS started to receive the new build 738s, they went to specific bases. Are the new and old 738s all naturally mixed around the bases now with no favourite homes for the new birds?




BHX and STN still have all new aircraft however over the summer months it isn’t unknown for these bases to have midlife aircraft. The rest are scattered around the bases.

[LiamNCL]

When LS started to receive the new build 738s, they went to specific bases. Are the new and old 738s all naturally mixed around the bases now with no favourite homes for the new birds?



Well Newcastle didnt have new 738s whilst the 733s were here but since going all 738 JZHZ & JZBK are here.

[Stanstedeye]

JZHZ is ex STN

[P330]

Thanks guys.

[Chesty Morgan]

BHX will be all mid life 738s soon. With the usual caveat of airframes rotating through the base.

[Garstag]

Jethros is reporting Jet 2 to lose 3 x 757 200 winter 19/20

any ideas on replacements?

[SWBKCB]

They're being replaced by 738's

[LBIA]

The is a lot a talk that LBA will lose it's B752's at the end of this year. with the remaining 8x to be all MAN based from summer 2020.

[Plane.Silly]

Jethros is reporting Jet 2 to lose 3 x 757 200 winter 19/20

Would be a real shame, If my money was on any of them, i'd say the 3 ex China Southern G-LSAG/H/I. These are the 3 oldest and must be coming up to a major C check by now (32y old)

[OltonPete]

BHX will be all mid life 738s soon. With the usual caveat of airframes rotating through the base.

Why? I can understand a mix maybe but why all, is there an operational reason?

Have Jet2 sourced the second A321 for BHX this summer as the schedule is very patchy when two are scheduled?

Good to see the first A321 arrive in April this year.

Pete

[Chesty Morgan]

Pete, I don't know. Perhaps the SFP models are more useful elsewhere (NCL for a start!).

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

Have Jet2 sourced the second A321 for BHX this summer as the schedule is very patchy when two are scheduled?


I don’t think that there is to be a 2nd A321at BHX this year.

The “new” 800’s can be better used at bases further north hence BHX becoming all mid life aeroplanes.

[OltonPete]

I don’t think that there is to be a 2nd A321at BHX this year.

The “new” 800’s can be better used at bases further north hence BHX becoming all mid life aeroplanes.

Cheers for the answers, all seems logical using them further north if there is a performance advantage.

Looking at the booking engine the few times where two A321's are scheduled looks more like an error, possibly where they have changed the original destination from an A321 to 738 and the seat-map has not been changed..

Pete

[BasilFawlty]

Would be a real shame, If my money was on any of them, i'd say the 3 ex China Southern G-LSAG/H/I. These are the 3 oldest and must be coming up to a major C check by now (32y old)
Although not the ones with the most hours (according to G-INFO).

[LiamNCL]

BHX & STN were launched exclusivily with new aircraft , I would imagine the plan was always to even the spread of aircraft out over the years.

[garry8g]

Anyone know when the next batch of B737-800 second hand aircraft are due to arrive for Jet2 preparation?

[castleford tiger]

It was said at the AGM that jet2 are looking at placing a new order. This maybe to replace the 752 fleet?
tiger

[garry8g]

It was said at the AGM that jet2 are looking at placing a new order. This maybe to replace the 752 fleet?
tiger

Interesting!

[P330]

Can you still place orders for 738’s?

If not, then this must be for the Max or a new type....

[Mooncrest]

I think Boeing have now made the final 738 and it was for Ryanair.

[HH6702]

Could they be replacing the 757's with second hand 737-900's?

[LBAflyer22]

Is the A321 CEO line still open? They are similar capacity to the 757 (218/220) and therefore could easily replace the 757s. They could also use them to replace some 737-800's in BHX/STN and then either use the replaced 800's to continue to expand those bases OR open a new base elsewhere. Bases with A321 could quite easily be MAN, LBA, STN and BHX - not too thinly spread around the network.

Further to that in Summer when they lease Titan A321 if they replace that with a owned A321 they could send the Titan elsewhere (GLA, EDI, NCL).

[castleford tiger]

the inference was it was for new aircraft. They said they were talking to both major players.
Would mixing the fleet work? Or stick to one type.

Sure there are those who can answer that. I am a mere shareholder but the good news is my original stake cost 16p a share,

[Buster the Bear]

G-GDFT departed Lasham today and arrived later at Hurn for paint.

[Mr @ Spotty M]

Yes they have made and delivered the last B737-800 to Ryanair, but they are still building and delivering both B737-800 & 900s.
However l doubt that they are still taking orders for new builds, might have a few line cancellations to sell but l very much doubt many if any.

[garry8g]

the inference was it was for new aircraft. They said they were talking to both major players.
Would mixing the fleet work? Or stick to one type.

Sure there are those who can answer that. I am a mere shareholder but the good news is my original stake cost 16p a share,

Could it be A330 v B767 ??

[rog747]

Jet 2 will not go for any s/hand 767's - Had they wished to do so before now when they had a large 757 fleet then they would have got them - Flight deck common rating.

It's all about costs now - Fuel being the biggest cost, and maintenance, the 767 is not as economical anymore - they are old and will need plenty of TLC.

The likes of United, AC, AC Rouge, and AA with large (but reducing) fleets for now are still plodding the Atlantic have made them $$$$ as the air frames have been paid for times over and they have huge technical back up.

Jet 2 have tested the Wide Body acquisition and operations by leasing A330's (reducing the £££ risk) and using them only seasonally on peak routes like PMI and TFS.
When a large aircraft goes Tech/AOG and the airline only has one or two of these aircraft then the logistics of delay recovery etc is formidable and can break an airline if it suffers too many of these delays.
I think Jet 2 has been wisely cautious.

The 737-900 is a people mover (like the 757-300) and trades performance for extra payload - not sure if Jet 2 would ever consider these -
I doubt they could operate full in and out of LBA for instance...

[LBAflyer22]

A321 for me all the way. Unless they do order the Max 8 and maybe the Max9 to be a people mover.

[excrab]

Max 9 or 10 would give obvious advantages from a crewing point of view, if they were looking at more new aircraft rather than used.

[Plane.Silly]

Max 9 or 10 would give obvious advantages from a crewing point of view, if they were looking at more new aircraft rather than used.

Of the two, probably the Max10, as the all Y config of 230 is the closest to the current 235Y of the B752's (max 9 is up to 220)

If they still made the B767 (non freight) now, it would be worth considering. the B763 was the most common and variants ranged between 290 and the exit limit of 351, which would have put it on par with the A330's they lease in.
As for current WB aircraft, A330 or B787, Jet2 don't need the range they have so would be happy to stuff as many seats in as possible, so you'd be looking at around the 350 mark. However this does tie in with a previous comment that 1 or 2 of these going tech, would have serious repercussions. so unless they had a large order and keeping a few as spares if needed, i'd avoid the Wide-bodies for now

[sixchannel]

G-DRTT returned to Leeds last night from Bournemouth, following it's repaint out of Primera livery.
Sorry its now a bit off topic now, but what paint scheme is it wearing please?
Currently based (since 28/2) at EMA.

[rog747]

As such there is not a short/medium haul package holiday large people mover produced unlike the Tristar at 400 seats, the DC-10 with up to 380 seats, and the A300 at up to 361 seats...all of which were seen in big numbers at PMI RHO HER AGP TFS LPA for instance
Hence we now see quite a few EU A330 operators use them well on short haul peak time routes.
Jet 2 Edelweiss Swiss TUIBelguim Eurowings Aer Lingus Finnair TCK/Condor (and previously LTU/Air Berlin with A330 & MON/OM with A330/A300)

The A330 does seem more adept to this type of flying than the 787 which has a capacity around the 290-300 mark

[MKY661]

Sorry its now a bit off topic now, but what paint scheme is it wearing please?
Currently based (since 28/2) at EMA.

Jet2Holidays. Hope this helps.

[sixchannel]

Jet2Holidays. Hope this helps.
It sure do. I'm assuming white with blue tail and sunrise.
Thanks

[MKY661]

It sure do. I'm assuming white with blue tail and sunrise.
Thanks

It is yes.

[H44]

The A330 does seem more adept to this type of flying than the 787 which has a capacity around the 290-300 mark

When we operate our 787-8’s in SH config they have 345 seats, so not far off an A330. Not sure the plastic jet is the most suitable for many short sectors though. Boeing built them for long haul which is what we use them predominantly for, supplemented with a little short haul in the summer. I assume Jet2 would be the other way around, mainly short haul, with a few longer sectors to New York in the winter.

[rog747]

When we operate our 787-8’s in SH config they have 345 seats, so not far off an A330. Not sure the plastic jet is the most suitable for many short sectors though. Boeing built them for long haul which is what we use them predominantly for, supplemented with a little short haul in the summer. I assume Jet2 would be the other way around, mainly short haul, with a few longer sectors to New York in the winter.


Thanks - guess you are TOM/BY?
Indeed, not sure what Boeing factored in on the 787 for regular short haul ops - The 767 from the outset could do both as BY and BA both well utilised.

Sigh the 767 was so versatile - Do a Palma or a ski flight in the morning then send it off to MCO or MBA!
273-290 in the -200 and 320 or so in the -300

Jet2 only have a small NYC series in the winter but use their A330's from MAN to the peak sun spots TFS PMI etc.

[SWBKCB]

Aren't the NYC charters just there because the 757's can do them? Don't think that sort of range will be a key driver for a replacement.

[BAladdy]

A321 for me all the way. Unless they do order the Max 8 and maybe the Max9 to be a people mover.
The A321Neo or A321LR Neo would be able to reach destination that the 737 max aircraft wouldn’t. This would help allow LS holiday to expand there range of destinations to places like Gambia, Israel and UAE as well as offer city breaks to destinations on East Coast states.

I am guessing the 757 crew would have to retrain anyway to convert to a 737.

[rog747]

Aren't the NYC charters just there because the 757's can do them? Don't think that sort of range will be a key driver for a replacement.

Sorry I assumed the 330's did the NYC's

Can Jet 2 757 do NYC with 235 pax - doubt it

[Chesty Morgan]

They've been doing NYC for years on the 757.

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

They've been doing NYC for years on the 757.

10 years to be precise, and yes, the B757 makes it even out of LBA.

[LiamNCL]

10 years to be precise, and yes, the B757 makes it even out of LBA.
The 757 is so versatile that the only reason Leeds has a NYC city break is because of that aircraft. LBA is the only airport to use the 757 to EWR next winter, all other airports will be using the A330.

[excrab]

BAladdy - Telaviv and Gambia are within reach of 737 - 800 from the UK, and certainly within reach of the max, the issue becomes one of flight time limitations and cost of night stopping crews, if you only do one flight a week you end up spending a lot of money on crew hotels.

As for crew training, whilst the 757 crews would have to retrain to fly an Airbus or a Max, once they’d retrained for a Max then there would be far more flexibility for crewing or rostering as any of the company’s pilots could fly any of its aircraft.

[LBAflyer22]

Tel Aviv and Gambia will not be on the scope of Jet2/Jet2holidays. Tel Aviv is catered for out of MAN by easy and soon to be El Al (or is it their LCC arm). I can only see BJL been added to the network as a charter for them on behalf of The Gambia Experience tour operator. Thus the risk is smaller - the aircraft and the staff are the only ones there. Once the customers are in Banjul/Gambia it is the responsibility of the tour operator.

They do not need the range anymore - the NYC market will be taken care of by the A330 which will move 327 in one go to EWR (and id probably guess eventually will be out of LBA in 2021/2022 with some figure bashing in HQ to make it work). That is why the Max 9, 900ER or A321 are good products for the airline to purchase for people moving.

If Jet2 were to order WB aircraft - imo they would be supported by Jet2holidays venturing into the long haul market. I personally think however there are a few things left to do in Europe first:

Firm up the Italian Network (Currently only serve VCE, VRN, PSA, FCO & NAP). Can see Sicily been added and maybe one more on the mainland.
Continue on the growth of the Greek Network - they have overtook TCX in what was once their strong market with Manos.
Success of STN/BHX will keep them busy - add another base in the Southwest to have full coverage of the UK.
Turkey. They love Turkey - so much so an A330 is going to DLM and AYT this year from MAN. Daily flights from STN, 7 from MAN, 6 from BHX.
Bulgaria - build up the volume into there.
Cities - continue to build these up. There is one or two maybe 3 they could go to - LIS/OPO, MXP/BGY, ATH, MAD.

There is probably a lot also going on behind the scenes within the business. I think Jet2/Jet2holidays are busy at the moment and as a business, you can never venture off into everything all at once.

[TheFiddler]

10 years to be precise, and yes, the B757 makes it even out of LBA.

Though sometimes via GLA when the wind / QNH wasn't favourable....

[rog747]

The 757 is so versatile that the only reason Leeds has a NYC city break is because of that aircraft. LBA is the only airport to use the 757 to EWR next winter, all other airports will be using the A330.

Thanks for the LBA 757 NYC heads up, I never knew that (living down here in the South) - yes having worked with the 757 since 1983 they are an irreplaceable and versatile beast.

Does Jet 2 have a payload limit out of LBA for NYC?

Going westbound we didn't send the 757 back then to NYC - we went mostly to Orlando Mexico and the Caribbean (with a stop at Bangor usually, except from GLA and NCL that could make it non-stop both ways on occasion)
Going the other way (East) from LGW we could do BAH or DXB non stop usually (EB and WB) but with around 205 pax (Not 223, 228 or 235 as was the 757 max's back then)

[rog747]

BAladdy - Telaviv and Gambia are within reach of 737 - 800 from the UK, and certainly within reach of the max, the issue becomes one of flight time limitations and cost of night stopping crews, if you only do one flight a week you end up spending a lot of money on crew hotels.

As for crew training, whilst the 757 crews would have to retrain to fly an Airbus or a Max, once they’d retrained for a Max then there would be far more flexibility for crewing or rostering as any of the company’s pilots could fly any of its aircraft.

Yes the 737-800 or Max can make TLV Cape Verde and Banjul and likely could make DXB from UK (Transavia go from AMS and Norwegian from OSL) but Banjul is a nightstop for crews due FTL.
Banjul is not really a seat only destination but usually sold as a package and has a limited appeal (its seasonal too) - I think Gambia Experience used Small Planet or Enter Air but now uses it's own Titan charters.

TLV is a prime route and yes you can crew it there and back.
Cape Verde I'm not 100% sure but from Northern UK airports I doubt FTL would allow there and back crewing.

Jet 2 wisely pulled out of Egypt some years ago and I doubt they will go back there anytime soon (nor Tunisia) - They have been rightly cautious and seem to stick to safe bread and butter routes.

They have for S19 gone big for Bulgaria - The beach resorts there were pushed to the UK IT market as long ago as the late 1960's but their popularity came and went - Even after 1989 when the ''Wall'' came down and seen as less 'soviet' - I would not say that it is an exotic destination but I guess with losing Egypt and Tunisia (and there was downturn with Turkey) I guess Jet2 think they can make a go of Bourgas this summer - In the winter ski is popular in Bulgaria.
They are ramping up Turkey and I hope they do well but it has been a destination with constant security concerns.

Unless they keep some 733 or 757 they cannot use the 738 or Max into GIB so that market is likely off limits.
Had they been interested in GIB they would have started the route soon after Monarch dropped out.

[Plane.Silly]

I don't believe any of the NYC flights have operated with 235 seats, the closest would have been 232 on the B752,
As mentioned before, some have gone direct, others with a GLA tech stop, depending on weight/ weather

[Marcus Absent]

I don't believe any of the NYC flights have operated with 235 seats, the closest would have been 232 on the B752,
As mentioned before, some have gone direct, others with a GLA tech stop, depending on weight/ weather

All Jet2 B757 are 235 seats and have been for a couple of years.

[4Screwaircrew]

I don't believe any of the NYC flights have operated with 235 seats, the closest would have been 232 on the B752,
As mentioned before, some have gone direct, others with a GLA tech stop, depending on weight/ weather

All the NYC flights I operated were in 235 config.

[TheFiddler]

All the NYC flights I operated were in 235 config.

LBA flights for certain, and I think possibly NCL flights, were flight capped at 220 pax, though the aircraft obviously was in a 235 config.

[4Screwaircrew]

I took over 220 out of NCL on my first trip.

[rog747]

I took over 220 out of NCL on my first trip.

Was it non-stop or via say MAN or GLA

[castleford tiger]

Is JET2 now the second biggest fleet in the UK after Easy?
I know of course some Easy are based overseas. I have about 158 Easy aircraft and 100 jet2.
TUI have under 60 in the UK and whilst the group maybe slightly bigger many are overseas.

The continued rise of JET2 who could be up to 125 aircraft by 2021 is incredible

[P330]

Does anyone know what Jet2’s utilisation is like in winter?

Looking at the the midweek trackers, it seems only a handful of planes were flying.

I can understand that in the early days but with 30+ new builds in the fleet and ooodles of second hand aircraft arriving, it must be expensive to have these planes parked up? And they don’t winter lease like TUI do they?

[chaps1954]

Wednesday is the day of very little flying with the weekend Friday to Monday quite busy at least at Manchester

[VickersVicount]

it can still be less expensive off season to ground than have poorly loaded trips I would have thought. Im sure theyve have 'done the math'

[back to Boeing]

Is JET2 now the second biggest fleet in the UK after Easy?
I know of course some Easy are based overseas. I have about 158 Easy aircraft and 100 jet2.
TUI have under 60 in the UK and whilst the group maybe slightly bigger many are overseas.

The continued rise of JET2 who could be up to 125 aircraft by 2021 is incredible


BA’s still a little bigger than both of those (and using your figures, not bothered checking, bigger than both of those combined).

[sixchannel]

it can still be less expensive off season to ground than have poorly loaded trips I would have thought. Im sure theyve have 'done the math'
And would the winter months be therefore the perfect time to service the aircraft and fix all those 'niggles' in their fleet that they lived with in the Summer double rotation days? (Not particularly meaning the regulation checks and overhauls)

[LiamNCL]

6 out of 6 738s flying most days apart from TUE WED at NCL with some doing a 2nd trip on a Saturday

[Chesty Morgan]

Profit made in the summer more than covers any loss in the winter. Yes, ideally you make a profit year round but the seasonal nature prevents that. Although winters are getting busier so...

[OltonPete]

Does anyone know what Jet2’s utilisation is like in winter?

Looking at the the midweek trackers, it seems only a handful of planes were flying.

I can understand that in the early days but with 30+ new builds in the fleet and ooodles of second hand aircraft arriving, it must be expensive to have these planes parked up? And they don’t winter lease like TUI do they?

Very complicated at BHX as the winter is split into many segments - Clock change to the third week in November, high utilisation with at least half of the 8 based flying 4 sectors Friday - Monday and most aircraft flying two sectors Tuesday - Thursday.

Then there is the third week in November to the week before Christmas when BHX's 8 based will be quieter such as Tuesday three flights and Wednesday two-three flights and even Thursday just 5 or 6. A couple of aircraft on a Friday or Saturday might do 4 sectors.

Then there is Christmas and New Year plus the ski season when again 3 or 4 aircraft will do two sectors at the weekend only but most move most days except Tuesday and possibly Wednesday which see the odd extra frequency for a couple of weeks but one flight only..

Once the schools are back in the New Year Wednesday shrinks to two flights and Tuesday 3 and probably one or two aircraft doing 4 sectors Saturday and Sunday

Then Feb half-term comes along and Thursday - Monday expands significantly and most of the extra flights remain until the summer timetable and even increase in March where Friday, Saturday and Sunday can see half the BHX fleet operating 4 sectors. Thursday last week had nine flights operated by nine aircraft some on short flights and Jet2 chose to fly in the 9th aircraft rather operate say the extra flight (KEF) then Malaga or Alicante after (That is not a criticism just an observation). Tuesday and Wednesday see extra flying but not all 8 based and certainly there hasn't been any 4 sector days until the end of March.

Overall the BHX base in winter has been fantastic, good, sensible utilisation but also very aware these shiny new 737's don't come cheap and it is not the same as having a fully depreciated aircraft on site.

Pete

[chaps1954]

Manchester has 21 arrivals today

Ian

[HH6702]

125 aircraft by 2021 where is this information come from ?

[Jamesair]

Jet 2 have been very active in extending the summer holiday market, by starting some flights in February and operating into November where possible on others thereby extending the season. They also operate a popular series of "shopping" day trips to European Cities and New York as well as Iceland trips from several of their base airports. However, they do seem to have missed out on the "Santa" market around Christmas time.

[LBAflyer22]

Jet 2 have been very active in extending the summer holiday market, by starting some flights in February and operating into November where possible on others thereby extending the season. They also operate a popular series of "shopping" day trips to European Cities and New York as well as Iceland trips from several of their base airports. However, they do seem to have missed out on the "Santa" market around Christmas time.

Jet2 operate an extensive operation into Northern Lapland during November and into December. These are all charter flights and not their own. I think that's very good business sense. Let the experts fill the aircraft and they'll fly the aircraft.

[MKY661]

Would be a real shame, If my money was on any of them, i'd say the 3 ex China Southern G-LSAG/H/I. These are the 3 oldest and must be coming up to a major C check by now (32y old)

Jethro's site states that these indeed are the three.

[Buster the Bear]

G-LSAH had a major check at Lasham during Oct/Nov 2018.

[slfsteve]

Having just flow back from Lanzarote with Jet2 (ex primera) there were 6 on the tarmac with more due to arrive later and some having already left.

[ssflyer]

LS1232 GNB/BHX diverted to EMA today.
High winds affecting BHX but all other aircraft made it in and this was the only diversion ?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ls1232#1fc13268

[OltonPete]

LS1232 GNB/BHX diverted to EMA today.
High winds affecting BHX but all other aircraft made it in and this was the only diversion ?

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ls1232#1fc13268

Probably just bad luck - gusts both times on the approaches (made at least two approaches) although the beast from the east (EK A380) made it in first time just before. The confusing aspect was the Swiss 190 which actually diverted in just after from London City and there was a BA Gatwick divert earlier a s well. It was incredibly gusty and there were other go-arounds by Jet2 aircraft

Came back from EMA later but I assume pax coached.

Pete

[castleford tiger]

125 figure came from me based on summer 2020 and same growth in 2021

ok?

[HH6702]

Ok good to hear

new route for 2020 from Newcastle to kos
let's see what else jet2 have planned for UK airports

[GAZMO]

Belfast to Izmir new for 2020

[Travel Agent]

Trade press release states this:

New Routes on sale:

Belfast to Izmir (Turkey)
Birmingham to Budapest/Kefalonia/Nice
Newcastle to Kos

More destinations coming soon.....

Edinburgh, East Midlands & Glasgow are coming soon.

[2Planks]

Any spares kicking around to help out airlines suffering from the banning of Mad MAX from most European airspace??

[rog747]

Any spares kicking around to help out airlines suffering from the banning of Mad MAX from most European airspace??

DY/DI/D8 say they have 110 738's and will be OK for cover - some short term canx's/alterations like tonight from NYC and DUB & EDI tomorrow.

Re TUI Its still winter season so TUI should be able to cover their own Ops - but if the MAX no fly ban goes on for ages then yes their S19 season will be a trial for TOM/BY and their TUI Benelux counterparts to cover...
Maybe they are de-mothballing any 757's they have just sent back as we speak.(and keeping all the 767's)
DY/D8/DI do fly charters for TUI Hols.

Enter Air will not be able to fly S19 for Sunvil Holidays own Greece and Greek Islands charter series with any of their MAX fleet if the ban goes on into the Season.

Just to be sure I gather Jet 2 did not order any MAX's???

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

Just to be sure I gather Jet 2 did not order any MAX's???

​​​​​​​Correct, Jet2 have NO Max’s

[LiamNCL]

TUI could be tight as their MAX aircraft were replacing aircraft being withdrawn and have aircraft on lease to Sunwing.

[BFS BHD]

Going by Planespotters website the next four second hand aircraft for Jet2 are:

Ex Primera Air - OY-PSE... Age 18.3 years

Ex Primera Air - YL-PSH... Age 13.3 years

Ex SpiceJet - VT-SPF... Age 13.2 years

Ex Norwegian Air - EI-FJG... Age 8.5 years

[Kidbooo]

Hello everyone,,
We only started in April and the kind of growth from a brand that carried no value in the south is promising.
The return rate is very high plus 60% within a year so add that to new clients and boom.
The BOD were due into the airport at 5.00 am the following day to see if things were sweet.
There can be little growth at Leeds now its almost full and the Faro flight boards in Cookridge !!
Its a shame that LBA spoil the good work with their shabby approach.
1 hour to get through passports and the same for bags is not good.

[Plane.Silly]

Any spares kicking around to help out airlines suffering from the banning of Mad MAX from most European airspace??

Withoutout knowing specific numbers, if there were any recoveries, Today (Wednesday) and Tomorrow (Thursday) would be the days to do it, i believe most aircraft are in use Friday to Monday.
Haven't spotted any on FR24, but will keep you posted if i do

[CCFAIRPORT]

Bergerac - London STN

BEGINS 23 MAY 2020

[Buster the Bear]

Going by Planespotters website the next four second hand aircraft for Jet2 are:

Ex Norwegian Air - EI-FJG... Age 8.5 years

Been sat at Lasham in Fly Bondi livery for many months.

[castleford tiger]

Hello everyone,,
We only started in April and the kind of growth from a brand that carried no value in the south is promising.
The return rate is very high plus 60% within a year so add that to new clients and boom.
The BOD were due into the airport at 5.00 am the following day to see if things were sweet.
There can be little growth at Leeds now its almost full and the Faro flight boards in Cookridge !!
Its a shame that LBA spoil the good work with their shabby approach.
1 hour to get through passports and the same for bags is not good.

TOTALLY AGREE re LBA

[rpmac]

That's why the terminal expansion is now getting under way! Funny thing success!

[Buster the Bear]

G-GDFT should be back into revenue service this coming week.

[Plane.Silly]

G-GDFT should be back into revenue service this coming week.

Correct, Just returned from operating LBA to BCN (EXS231/2), on time both ways

[LBAflyer22]

Announcement to be made Q1 2019, not launch of routes.

There is one working week left of Q1 2019. Will we get this announcement? Or has the announcement been postponed due to Brexit or Boeing Problems?

[castleford tiger]

That's why the terminal expansion is now getting under way! Funny thing success!

Have to disagree there. Reactive rather than proactive. I use the place twice a month and the delays at PPC are shocking. Improve the area or get more staff.
The lounge situation ( where card holders cannot get in) due to on the spot sales. Poor.


Get the train link in and sort the above and happy days.

[irishlad06]

There is one working week left of Q1 2019. Will we get this announcement? Or has the announcement been postponed due to Brexit or Boeing Problems?

2 new routes to be launched. Zadar and Preveza

[Plane mad 134]

Does anyone have any info in when the Glasgow and Edinburgh S20 flights will be released, and if so I wonder if the new routes will be from these bases as well as some other airports.

[LBAflyer22]

2 new routes to be launched. Zadar and Preveza

Appreciate that they are going to be launching routes; whether it be them or others - but the original post (quoted below) clearly states an announcement to be made that is not a launch of routes. This is what i am getting at.

Announcement to be made Q1 2019, not launch of routes.

[sixchannel]

Does anyone have any info in when the Glasgow and Edinburgh S20 flights will be released, and if so I wonder if the new routes will be from these bases as well as some other airports.
Ditto for EMA.

[mudcity]

Jet 2 have extended / revised the lease deal with Air Tanker - one A330 will be
leased all year round until the end of summer 2022- a second A330 will be leased for summer only ending summer 2021

[castleford tiger]

What will be the Jet 2 fleet size by peak Summer now please. Does anyone have this information?
Thanks Mudcity I wonder what the winter plan is for the A330

TIGER

[Plane.Silly]

What will be the Jet 2 fleet size by peak Summer now please. Does anyone have this information?

Don't have the exact breakdown, but they have mentioned they'll have 102 aircraft operating in August

Sounds about right when they recently welcomed their 100th into the fleet back in January

[chaps1954]

Wonder if the A330 will be in full colours as it is on a long lease.

[easyboy22]

Wonder if the A330 will be in full colours as it is on a long lease.

one that’s staying for the winter will be in full holidays livery

[chaps1954]

Wow but I think the Jet2 red scheme would look better still

[jethro15]

What will be the Jet 2 fleet size by peak Summer now please. Does anyone have this information?
www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/jet2.htm (http://www.jethros.org.uk/fleets/fleet_listings/jet2.htm)

[azz767]

Wow but I think the Jet2 red scheme would look better still

That would involve painting a whole a/c though instead of a tail and some logo stickers. Obviously a cost saving measure

[chaps1954]

Yes I know but we can all wish

[sixchannel]

LS918 TFN - MAN G-LSAN tonight squawked a general emergency tonight.
Did a couple of holding patterns to the east of Macclesfield before landing.
Anyone know what the issue was?

[LiamNCL]

As mentioned recently here , Jet2 are breaking the mould at BHX finally seeing some older 738s based whilst the better performing 8MG models move elsewhere, JZBB positioned into NCL this afternoon , JZBD & JZHM have swapped for GDFZ & JZHD.

[LBIA]

Jet2 new routes for summer 2020 now on sale.

Birmingham - Preveza = 1x weekly SUN
London Stansted - Preveza = 2x weekly WED & SUN
London Stansted - Zadar = 2x weekly WED & SUN
Manchester - Preveza = 1x weekly SUN
Manchester - Zadar = 2x weekly WED & SUN

[VickersVicount]

still no Scottish routes available for S20? why the delay?

[sixchannel]

still no Scottish routes available for S20? why the delay?
Nor EMA either.
Pointless booking anyway - nothing to do with the B word - the currently available discounting does not go beyond April '20, there in NO Insurance listed for S20 holidays yet and also hopefully the nice Crew on our next holiday flights in May will be dishing out One Time extra discount vouchers to use for S20
Every little helps.

[pamann]

Surely Stansted is to be their second largest base come 2020? If there’s to be an increase in A330 numbers in the future, Stansted must stand the highest chance of being the next big bus base?

[Plane.Silly]

still no Scottish routes available for S20? why the delay?
Nor EMA either.

If everything else seems to be on sale, either they're finalising their plans (extra aircraft maybe?) or the issue is with the airport themselves.
That might explain GLA and EDI, but EMA is part of the MAN/EMA/STN group, so that doesn't make sense

[GayFriendly]

Birmingham-Nice also announced as a new route for S20 a few weeks ago.

It looks like Jet2 expansion is focusing primarily on MAN, STN and BHX although I'm sure there will be some announcements from other airports as well.

Certainly at BHX there is still more demand for higher frequencies on routes like AGP, TFS, ALC, LPA etc, monthly pax figures are still down on these routes 18 months after the demise of Monarch and there are also some Jet2 suited seasonal city routes that could work from BHX, the primary example being Lisbon (always well loaded when operated by Monarch), plus Athens, Valencia, Seville....however I think these would only be launched in conjunction with other bases and such routes are already covered by other airlines at MAN and STN. Here's hoping!

[P330]

Does anyone know officially how many aircraft are based at Leeds, by type, either currently or the summer season?

Is Leeds still the home of a lot of the maintenance work?

I remain fascinated by the quiet utilisation of those 733s. I think 11 are still the fleet but a couple haven’t flown for a while and I think (please correct me) 6 out of the remaining 9 run out of Leeds with, if you’re lucky, one flight a day.

[LBIA]

Leeds base for summer 2019 is as follows

In service
6+ Boeing 737-300
​6+ Boeing 737-800
3+ Boeing 757-200
1+ Airbus A320 (Smart Lynx = May 1st to June 18th)
Spare back up
1+ Boeing 737-300
1+ Boeing 757-200

Summer 2020

In service
11+ Boeing 737-800
4+ Boeing 737-300
Spare back up
1+ Boeing 737-800
1+ Boeing 737-300
​​​
​​​​​​

[P330]

Leeds base for summer 2019 is as follows

In service
6+ Boeing 737-300
​6+ Boeing 737-800
3+ Boeing 757-200
1+ Airbus A320 (Smart Lynx = May 1st to June 18th)
Spare back up
1+ Boeing 737-300
1+ Boeing 757-200

Summer 2020

In service
11+ Boeing 737-800
4+ Boeing 737-300
Spare back up
1+ Boeing 737-800
1+ Boeing 737-300
​​​
​​​​​​

Thanks LBIA - interesting and appreciated.

Any thoughts on the utilisation of those 733s? Feels like at present at least, far fewer aircraft are actually needed than are based. It certainly feels like a low utilisation.

Are those 733s performing well at the moment? Still got 3 x 86-88 build aircraft flying with the remainder mainly 98-99 end of line builds.

[cheesebag]

Looks like they have gone a good way to filling the massive hole MON left at BHX

[Plane.Silly]

Leeds base for summer 2019 is as follows

In service
6+ Boeing 737-300
​6+ Boeing 737-800
3+ Boeing 757-200
1+ Airbus A320 (Smart Lynx = May 1st to June 18th)
Spare back up
1+ Boeing 737-300
1+ Boeing 757-200

Summer 2020

In service
11+ Boeing 737-800
4+ Boeing 737-300
Spare back up
1+ Boeing 737-800
1+ Boeing 737-300

So whats happened to the B757-200's? I know it's previously been mentioned that a couple would be retired. Would i be right in assuming they've all moved to MAN?

This also represents a small peak capacity reduction, assuming each operational aircraft operates 4 sectors a day, S19 has 10,908 seats, S20 has 10,684. although the -800's are more economical, so they could operate more year-round flights?

[Flying Wild]

All 757s are moving to MAN for next summer.

[Auxtank]

Well, if my recent flight with J2 is anything to go by I'll say this; Jet2 appear to be very ably demonstrating how to run a loco airline with good employee conditions, honest dealings/ nice whole flight experiences for their pax and a fair outlook to the future.

I sincerely hope I won't be eating my words in 18 months or so. I mean that.

[Johnny F@rt Pants]

I sincerely hope I won't be eating my words in 18 months or so. I mean that.

I’m glad you enjoyed your experience, we put a great deal of effort into our customer service levels offered by our airport and airline crew.

[sixchannel]

Well, if my recent flight with J2 is anything to go by I'll say this; Jet2 appear to be very ably demonstrating how to run a loco airline with good employee conditions, honest dealings/ nice whole flight experiences for their pax and a fair outlook to the future.

I sincerely hope I won't be eating my words in 18 months or so. I mean that.
Amen to that. Enjoy ALMOST everything about Jet2 flights and its good to know that there are such good things. I once thad a query about a Jet2 Holiday booking where a Discount had not been calculated when totting up. Expecting the worst. I made the phone call and had a very pleasant conversation and it was all sorted. No angst.
Long may it continue.
Our 2019 plans are ALL using Jet2 flights and Holidays and when the 2020 comes out PROPERLY (not the mess it currently is) we'll be right in there. We HAVE to Plan early due to "circumstances" - cover etc.
Now then - if only they would get rid of that mega-annoying Ooh-Ooh "Hold My Hand" song that they pitch at you behind every possible opportunity!! Torture! lol! I know Jess Glynne is a very fine Singer/Songwriter but enough already.

[LiamNCL]

Certainly have a very big presence at every airport they serve.

[Auxtank]

I’m glad you enjoyed your experience, we put a great deal of effort into our customer service levels offered by our airport and airline crew.

It's working.

Don't change a thing.

[rog747]

It's working.

Don't change a thing.

Totally agree - Jet2 are doing really well, riding high, and have an increasing large and very loyal customer base with a good solid product both hard and soft - the TV Ad is way ahead of the daft TUI ones and is uplifting...I like it...

I really wish Jet2 had a presence down here at BOH and maybe EXT to throw off both TUI and FR

I should imagine the CEO & the Board are very relieved that Jet2 are not having to face a 737MAX debacle as they did not buy any - In hindsight a wise move.
That sort of chaos now being faced by TUI, DY/D8 and other European charter airlines that have their new fleets grounded is crippling and could finish a smaller company off...
If Monarch was still here with their new Max's that would have been rather brutal...

What are Jet2's future fleet plans ? A320/A321neo's?

I see that the fleets of 737-700's of KLM and TUI are being retired, these will be well maintained - a nice little plane - 148 seats with long legs and great performance. One a/c that can get into GIB OK.
At Astraeus they could do Egypt as far as Aswan non-stop with a full load, and also across the pond to Deer Park NF.

[ATNotts]

What are Jet2's future fleet plans ? A320/A321neo's?

Although IT passengers (PAX in general I suspect) don't know a lot about what type of aircraft they are about to board as long as it gets them to their holiday one wonders just how damaged the 737MAX debacle has done to Boeing's brand in the public eye, and how much any damage that has been done might effect Jet2's, and other carriers fleet renewal plans. Whilst the occasional customer service glitch can be annoying, and temporarily damage a brand through keyboard warriors activity, perceived safety may stick rather more stubbornly.

[PDXCWL45]

Totally agree - Jet2 are doing really well, riding high, and have an increasing large and very loyal customer base with a good solid product both hard and soft - the TV Ad is way ahead of the daft TUI ones and is uplifting...I like it...

I really wish Jet2 had a presence down here at BOH and maybe EXT to throw off both TUI and FR

I should imagine the CEO & the Board are very relieved that Jet2 are not having to face a 737MAX debacle as they did not buy any - In hindsight a wise move.
That sort of chaos now being faced by TUI, DY/D8 and other European charter airlines that have their new fleets grounded is crippling and could finish a smaller company off...
If Monarch was still here with their new Max's that would have been rather brutal...

What are Jet2's future fleet plans ? A320/A321neo's?

I see that the fleets of 737-700's of KLM and TUI are being retired, these will be well maintained - a nice little plane - 148 seats with long legs and great performance. One a/c that can get into GIB OK.
At Astraeus they could Egypt as far as Aswan non-stop with a full load, and also across the pond to Deer Park NF.
I don't see them launching the South West for quite a while and I think they'll find it uber competitive here.

[rog747]

Although IT passengers (PAX in general I suspect) don't know a lot about what type of aircraft they are about to board as long as it gets them to their holiday one wonders just how damaged the 737MAX debacle has done to Boeing's brand in the public eye, and how much any damage that has been done might effect Jet2's, and other carriers fleet renewal plans. Whilst the occasional customer service glitch can be annoying, and temporarily damage a brand through keyboard warriors activity, perceived safety may stick rather more stubbornly.

Precisely - TUI pax bombarded the company both in the UK and their EU regions through their social media insisting to ground the Max within 48 hours of the ET accident, and many cancelled their holidays or changed their plans -- very £££ damaging for TUI..folk are not daft, as we have seen in the past few weeks.

As for Jet 2 as I said, they are breathing a sigh of relief they do not have to deal with the Max damage limitation.

Jet 2 cleverly took the last 34 NG slots from Boeing but no more new ones are being built - but now we will see much higher £££ values of second hand a/c, or leases of any 737-800's, or even 700's that are currently, or were, available...
Airlines that were due to get rid of their NG's for new Max's are now of course hanging on to them UFN...For Jet 2 that could mean fleet expansion will be a concern.

[azz767]

Now then - if only they would get rid of that mega-annoying Ooh-Ooh "Hold My Hand" song that they pitch at you behind every possible opportunity!! Torture! lol! I know Jess Glynne is a very fine Singer/Songwriter but enough already.

I completely agree with everything everyone has said. Their customer service is way beyond any of the competition, the on board product also. But after a heavy weekend in Prague the last thing I wanted was Jess Glynne singing the same lyric every 5 minutes. I think its just the sheer amount of times you here it that annoys me. All in all a minor annoyance on an otherwise fantastic airline.

On the fleet I'm sure we'll see something like a 737-700 come in to replace the 733's. They served a purpose for the airline and whilst in growth the 738's have matched demand increase on a lot of former 733 routes, there are still some routes, like the aforementioned GIB and some city routes from the likes of LBA and BFS that you would think it is perfect for.

I think as the 757's go, we will see them go down the A330 route. I think neo's are out of the question for a long while. Jet 2 buy second hand and maintain extremely well. The only reason they went for new 738's was they got a cracking deal on end of the line models, you're talking years until the neo gets to the end of the line. The 332 could fil PMI from MAN twice a day quite comfortably, and there is routes to the Canaries, Greece and Turkey that could support 2/3 332 services a week no problem (that's without the potential, if not very likely expansion into long haul). Either way its exciting times ahead for EXS

[double-oscar]

Yes Jet2 have a good product but it will be interesting to see their results when they are released. EasyJet, TUI and Thomas Cook are all reporting difficult trading with margins under pressure. As Jet2 works to smaller margins anyway it is difficult to see how Jet2 cannot be affected in some way. Although there is some brand loyalty this sector is notoriously price sensitive.

[Plane.Silly]

On the fleet I'm sure we'll see something like a 737-700 come in to replace the 733's. They served a purpose for the airline and whilst in growth the 738's have matched demand increase on a lot of former 733 routes, there are still some routes, like the aforementioned GIB and some city routes from the likes of LBA and BFS that you would think it is perfect for.
I might not be so sure about that. Another round of retirements this year will probably see the end of the older -300's (likely to be the end of the G-CEL# series). This leaves just a handful remaining, but all of these still have many years left in them. It doesn't seem logical to introduce a new aircraft to the fleet, along with the spares, training and integration that would be needed (despite the commonality)

Also to throw my pennies into the well of Jet2 praise, i haven't seen on here someone mention the TripAdvisor awards, where Jet2 scooped 5, including the prestigious #9 airline in the WORLD, being the only UK & European operator in the top 10.
Given the amount of praise they get, including all you Ppruners, it's hard not to see why.

I think as the 757's go, we will see them go down the A330 route. I think neo's are out of the question for a long while. Jet 2 buy second hand and maintain extremely well. The only reason they went for new 738's was they got a cracking deal on end of the line models, you're talking years until the neo gets to the end of the line. The 332 could fil PMI from MAN twice a day quite comfortably, and there is routes to the Canaries, Greece and Turkey that could support 2/3 332 services a week no problem (that's without the potential, if not very likely expansion into long haul). Either way its exciting times ahead for EXS
I'd believe this is a similar situation to the -300's, but there's definately more scope for expansion here. It's been previously reported that there's at least 1 B752 being retired this winter and all ops to be moved to MAN. the current agreement with the A330's works well, where they get the capacity in the summer without having to worry about the maintenance (too much). Being their 3rd year of operation, Jet2 must be seeing a future for a higher capacity aircraft somewhere down the line. the biggest issue though is the excessive range available, which doesn't quite work for their short haul programmes (Mainland Spain). Mid-haul (Canaries/Turkey) works much better, but i don't believe they are in a position to fully benefit from this. As for long haul, the CEO has said no in the short/mid term, as there's more to do in the core market . I wouldn't expect to see something here for a good few years yet.
the A321neo/ A332/8 would be a good option, along with the MAX 10 (once all issues are rectified and if they're still in production) or the B788. I'm a firm believer that if Boeing actually deliver on the rumoured B797 (Middle of the Market aircraft), this would suit Jet2 perfectly, giving the capacity and range they need. Shame it's not expected until around 2030, but hey ho...

I don't see them launching the South West for quite a while and I think they'll find it uber competitive here.
This has also been covered by the CEO, stating he wants to continue growth at all bases before moving elsewhere. reasonable candidates would probably be CWL, EXT or BOH (BRS is full and SOU doesn't have the runway)

Phwew, i can breathe now...

[LBAflyer22]

I don't see them launching the South West for quite a while and I think they'll find it uber competitive here.

Having gone into STN - the Ryanair fortress - i think they'll find BRS and/or CWL and that area a breeze in comparison.

[cornishsimon]

Iv got to say I’m a fan of the Jet2 model.

They are being careful with fleet and doing well and seem to be learning from the failures of others so not expanding too rapidly, rather slowly and steadily. This way they haven’t been running into huge staffing or aircraft issues.

Fleet wise. My money says that future fleet expansion once all 738 stock has been used up will probably go towards airbus with a combined fleet of 332/321s but that’s probably quite far off in all honesty.

Expanding further SW, I think there’s probably a market at CWL and BOH, EXT would depend upon how things play out with BE and FR, NQY might throw a curve ball, I wouldn’t rule out NqY as an inbound market if things go slightly wrong with Europe , £/€ etc, it wouldn’t surprise me to see them start offering some package type deals from the midlands and NE into NQY


cs

[MerchantVenturer]

This has also been covered by the CEO, stating he wants to continue growth at all bases before moving elsewhere. reasonable candidates would probably be CWL, EXT or BOH (BRS is full and SOU doesn't have the runway)


flybmi used to park up to seven aircraft at BRS - not any more. Two more aircraft stands are nearing completion to go with four others built in recent years. The airport currently has a planning application lodged with the local authority requesting the current 10 mppa limit be raised to 12 mppa, a figure they project reaching by the mid 2020s.

All that sounds as though there is life in the airport yet. In fact, the master plan consultation documents speak of up to 20 mppa by the 2040s.

[PDXCWL45]

Having gone into STN - the Ryanair fortress - i think they'll find BRS and/or CWL and that area a breeze in comparison.
I wouldn't count on that.
Firstly STN is owned by MAG bo they would've got a good deal from a company they already know and it's them expanding into London a massive market.

Secondly there most likely target would be Bristol which has a large Easyjet base and to BRS TUI is extremely important to them due to them providing with their only long haul routes. Jet2 risks pushing TUI out and the long haul routes with them. So I doubt very much Jet2 would get the deal they want and the ability to expand like they have at BHX and STN. As for others they probably feel they are to small a markets individually and CWL especially won't want to lose another airline and may not want to jeopardise any relationship with Ryanair.
Any base I feel would have to start small with 2 or 3 aircraft and slowly grown similar to Belfast.

[southside bobby]

"The Southwest- I think they`ll find it uber competitive here".....a hoot.

LBAflyer22 is spot on.

[PDXCWL45]

"The Southwest- I think they`ll find it uber competitive here".....a hoot.

LBAflyer22 is spot on.
I guess only time will tell, that's if they ever turn up in the area.

[LBAflyer22]

I wouldn't count on that.
Firstly STN is owned by MAG bo they would've got a good deal from a company they already know and it's them expanding into London a massive market.


May have a good relationship with MAG but still the point is still the same. Jet2 did not fear at taking on Ryanair in STN. Look at S20 for example Jet2 are going head to head with Ryanair on STN-EGC, STN-ZAD, STN-RMU. Almost all the routes operated by Jet2 are operated by Ryanair and yet we've seen success as both carriers continue to grow at STN - working side by side. Like they do at MAN where both carriers are large in their presence.


Secondly there most likely target would be Bristol which has a large Easyjet base


Jet2/Jet2holidays offers a different product to easyJet and we both know this. easyJets route portfolio and schedules are built on a mix of leisure and business targeting both sorts of traffic. Jet2 on the other hand offers a reliable seat only product and differs it's holiday product from offering the standard beach holiday to city breaks in a number of destinations which include Pisa, Rome, Barcelona to name but a few. A Jet2 presence wouldn't push easyJet away but likely to make them more competitive and will help stimulate growth of markets.


to BRS TUI is extremely important to them due to them providing with their only long haul routes. Jet2 risks pushing TUI out and the long haul routes with them.


The same can be said for BHX and TUI with their relationship and look at TUI now. They've grown the long haul routes whilst maintaining a good presence on the short haul - I don't see Jet2 pushing TUI out of BHX and therefore do not see how Jet2 would push TUI out of BRS. The two work in harmonious competition at MAN, NCL, GLA, EDI, EMA and BHX and would probably do the same at BRS. Jet2holidays provides a different holiday product to what TUI offers.


So I doubt very much Jet2 would get the deal they want and the ability to expand like they have at BHX and STN


Neither of us are in the board room discussions of BRS but i can bet you that they are keen on having discussions with Jet2 considering their growth rate at BHX/STN and the presence they have UK wide. You cannot rule that out. Also as a business you don't really want to put most of your eggs into one basket - BRS are heavily reliant on easyJet like LBA is with Jet2. I very much think BRS will be keen on trying to attract another carrier to the airport.

Also FYI, BRS have an expansion plan to build more apron space and stands (looking at it also a new terminal maybe). Once complete a Jet2 BRS base maybe announced.


CWL especially won't want to lose another airline and may not want to jeopardise any relationship with Ryanair.


As said before - Ryanair offer a different product to Jet2/Jet2holidays. Side by Side they would compliment each other and stimulate market growth.

[USERNAME_]

Former Primera Air 737-800 YL-PSD flew to Dublin yesterday to become G-DRTW for Jet2.

Likewise for former Primera Air 738 OY-PSE which is due end of April.
They join YL-PSB which is now G-DRTT, and YL-PSH which is now G-DRTU.

[garry8g]

Does anyone have any updates as to when the following 3 second hand B737-800 are due to join the Jet2 fleet?

Ex SunExpress D-ASXR
Ex Spicejet VT-SPF
Ex Norwegian EI-FJG

According to Jethro's, there are a further 2 second hand B737-800 due prior to summer 19. Anyone know from where yet?

[Buster the Bear]

EI-FJG is still in store at Lasham. Full FlyBondi livery.

[LBAflyer22]

Still no EMA GLA or EDI flights for S20? I know they took around 6 weeks to release the full S19 programme last year and this years went on earlier then the usual end of March/April months of previous years.

Slots at the respective airports? Or slots abroad in Mediterranean and around Europe? Fleet numbers not yet agreed maybe? It's common knowledge that they put aircraft EDI/GLA for the Scottish holidays before bringing south of the border for the english peak and maybe they haven't agreed this yet but i would imagine so if they've put all but these stations on sale.

[sixchannel]

Still no EMA GLA or EDI flights for S20? I know they took around 6 weeks to release the full S19 programme last year and this years went on earlier then the usual end of March/April months of previous years.

Slots at the respective airports? Or slots abroad in Mediterranean and around Europe? Fleet numbers not yet agreed maybe? It's common knowledge that they put aircraft EDI/GLA for the Scottish holidays before bringing south of the border for the english peak and maybe they haven't agreed this yet but i would imagine so if they've put all but these stations on sale.

EMA flights/hols post April '20 also not on sale yet.

[LBAflyer22]

EMA flights/hols post April '20 also not on sale yet.

Mentioned EMA.

Still no EMA GLA or EDI flights for S20? .

[sixchannel]

Mentioned EMA.
Oops - so you did. Sorry, my bad.

[castleford tiger]

It was said at the last AGM that the company was looking to place a new big order but I guess they are playing A against B.

As for TUI and TCG reporting poor number............not one Analyst has commented why. We had hot summer and a poor Lates market etc etc.

There was one other big reason ,they are both loosing market share to Jet2. You don't arrive at 3m holidays and get 66% growth in 2 years from nobody.

I have one more suggestion re future expansion it will come as TCG goes under. This is a pretty big call and I feel for those working there but it is on a cliff edge.
The one profitable part the Airline is going to have to be sold to try and reduce debt. Did anyone see yesterdays announcement? They may have breached their internal borrowing limit/covenants.

They have 1.5b in debt net. Customer pre payments keeping them alive.
The low prices and competitive market is killing them. If everyone thinks selling the crown jewels will save them they are wrong.
The business carries too many costs.
So 1 to 2 million extra customers will be available in my opinion.

Its a fast changing world out there but Jet 2 will soon be No1 and long may it continue.

The service levels are way in front of the others.
I am a shareholder by the way.

[P330]

Anyone know the whereabouts of G-GDFM and FN? They don’t appear to have flown in a little while.

[shamrock7seal]

Sorry I don’t know.

Is there still a hold on opening new UK bases for Summer 2020?

[WayneEGCC]

G-GDFM left Dublin about 3 hours ago, and has been doing some loops over the west coast of Scotland. It looks like it's heading back to Dublin now.

[BHX5DME]

Sorry I don’t know.

Is there still a hold on opening new UK bases for Summer 2020?

no plans for any new bases

[Fly757X]

Anyone know the whereabouts of G-GDFM and FN? They don’t appear to have flown in a little while.

G-GDFM is in for work in Dublin, and FN is across in Shannon.

[P330]

Thank you.

[sixchannel]

G-GDFM left Dublin about 3 hours ago, and has been doing some loops over the west coast of Scotland. It looks like it's heading back to Dublin now.
Yee-haw!!! Pilot - Tex Johnson??

[Auxtank]

G-GDFM left Dublin about 3 hours ago, and has been doing some loops over the west coast of Scotland. It looks like it's heading back to Dublin now.


In your dreams.

Or in Microsoft Flight Simulator apparently.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-09WMoMkaU

[Airlinemad]

What aircraft are based at ema now?
Flying with jet2 to alc 10:40 26th October

[Plane.Silly]

What aircraft are based at ema now?
Flying with jet2 to alc 10:40 26th October

B733 & mid-life B738

Looking at the seat map, it would be a B738

[BHX5DME]

Still no EMA flights on sale for S20
BHX went on sale 6 weeks ago !

[Plane.Silly]

Still no EMA flights on sale for S20
BHX went on sale 6 weeks ago !

No EDI/ GLA flights either. Anyone in the know care to shed light?

[LBIA]

Smart Lynx A320, ES-SAS positions from Olso to Leeds this afternoon for a 6 week lease.

[Plane.Silly]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-leicestershire-48104527

Jet2's G-GDFB (B733) has been clipped by a Ryanair B737 while parked at EMA.

[ericlday]

Nothing worse for a bird than having its wings clipped.......sorry !!!!

[TSR2]

Was it a hit and run.

[Aso]

Was a RYR aircraft so I assume that LS will have to pay a surcharge for the service :bored:

[sixchannel]

Was GDFB due to fly out somewhere or was it 'resting?
If it were on a schedule, what replaced it?
At 27 yrs old that clout by RYR might have signed its death warrant. Possibly.

[garry8g]

Jethro's reporting tonight that the second Air Tanker A330-243 (G-VYGM) lease has been extended to full time till the end of Nov 2022.

Looks like both A330's will be year round leases now!

[sixchannel]

Just returning to MAN this evening after serviceability flight EXS055B. Out over Ireland at various altitudes.
Ready to go into Summer service?

[Plane.Silly]

Was GDFB due to fly out somewhere or was it 'resting?
If it were on a schedule, what replaced it?
At 27 yrs old that clout by RYR might have signed its death warrant. Possibly.

Thats the last thing they need as they gear up for the summer season. I would imagine they'd try all they can to get it fixed to operate as normal.
Into winter however, might be a different story, as the B738's have been replacing the B733's.

[sixchannel]

Ok, its Slow Saturday do please allow an Anorak question.
Just seen that G-DRTF with silver grey/red livery has a vertical white and red stripe on the left side, immediately behind cockpit.
Others in same scheme don't have it but my check was quite cursory - there may may be others.
Is there a significance in this stripe?
(Ignore Mrs sixchannel who reckons its where the cockpit was zipped on when they built it.)

[Garstag]

It’s the new airbridge marker

[sixchannel]

It’s the new airbridge marker
Thanks Garstag. Never thought of that. Much obliged.
​​​​​Cant see it on others or on the white and blues. Is it being rolled out across the fleet?

[MKY661]

Thanks Garstag. Never thought of that. Much obliged.
​​​​​Cant see it on others or on the white and blues. Is it being rolled out across the fleet?

It's actually on quite a few of their aircraft already ;)

[sixchannel]

It's actually on quite a few of their aircraft already ;)
Thanks again. I'll take a closer look on next flight - LS613 ex EMA 14/5. No airbridges so even Mr Unobservant should be able to spot it. ;-)

[Flying Wild]

It’s not exactly new. It’s been on Jet2 aircraft for a couple of years now, after some incidents with poorly positioned air bridges damaging aircraft.

[simufly]

Same reason why Phillip insisted that all the flap trap covers were dayglo.

[sixchannel]

G-DRTU (ex-Primera) completed its first revenue rotation yesterday (5th May) - MAN - HER - MAN.

[Stanstedeye]

GDRTG arrived at STN late evening yesterday, will it stay all summer ?

[chaps1954]

That you can never tell due maintenace needs

[irishlad06]

GDRTG arrived at STN late evening yesterday, will it stay all summer ?

It should swap back out in the next couple of days back to a “new” aircraft.

[OltonPete]

It should swap back out in the next couple of days back to a “new” aircraft.

With BHX migrating now fully to old aircraft but Stansted in general all new (except Titan of course) is there a specific reason for this. I understand the reasoning behind earlier explanations and that the new aircraft with SFP might be better served at NCL, LBA and the Scottish bases where a lot of the destinations are further (e.g. The Canaries) but I was wondering why the remaining new aircraft were not split between say 25/75 or 50/50 between BHX & STN?

It goes without saying Jet2 has a huge competitor at Stansted and basically they don't have anywhere near as much competition at BHX (no slight on TUI who have a fabulous schedule this summer from BHX) and I wonder if that was some other reasoning such as internal accounting if most of the BHX aircraft were now owned or is it to ensure the new aircraft are at STN to give it the best opportunity for on time departures (less likely to go tech) thus ensuring they compete on all levels or be better than the competition? I realise it won't be for the passengers benefit as all Jet2 aircraft as we are frequently told are immaculate inside and they wouldn't have a clue if they were flying a 1 year old aircraft or 18 year old one.

Pete

[ROC10]

With BHX migrating now fully to old aircraft but Stansted in general all new (except Titan of course) is there a specific reason for this. I understand the reasoning behind earlier explanations and that the new aircraft with SFP might be better served at NCL, LBA and the Scottish bases where a lot of the destinations are further (e.g. The Canaries) but I was wondering why the remaining new aircraft were not split between say 25/75 or 50/50 between BHX & STN?

It goes without saying Jet2 has a huge competitor at Stansted and basically they don't have anywhere near as much competition at BHX (no slight on TUI who have a fabulous schedule this summer from BHX) and I wonder if that was some other reasoning such as internal accounting if most of the BHX aircraft were now owned or is it to ensure the new aircraft are at STN to give it the best opportunity for on time departures (less likely to go tech) thus ensuring they compete on all levels or be better than the competition? I realise it won't be for the passengers benefit as all Jet2 aircraft as we are frequently told are immaculate inside and they wouldn't have a clue if they were flying a 1 year old aircraft or 18 year old one.


Your thoughts definitely sound pretty plausible regarding the basing of the aircraft. I’d have to disagree slightly on the bold part - I personally feel there is a very noticeable difference between the ‘old’ interior and the new Sky Interior.

[LiamNCL]

STN being the furthest south and alot of routes being shorter there than any other base im suprised they have an all new 738 base still. Thought it was just to kick start the brand off in BHX and STN originally.

[Flying Wild]

Possibly a more discerning customer at STN?

[sixchannel]

Possibly a more discerning customer at STN?
You mean more discerning than us hicks in the BHX and EMA sticks?
As they say, you can always tell when you get to Birmingham - the M6 is still cobbled.

[chaps1954]

The cabins on the refurbished machines is also of a very high standard and most people would never know the difference even on the B733s

[CabinCrewe]

Possibly a more discerning customer at STN?
'Essex' 'Low Cost' :confused: