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Expressflight 29th Oct 2019 12:57
Yes, arriving at Stansted Mountfitchet is much better.

Tagron 29th Oct 2019 13:01
Originally Posted by mikkie4 (Post 10605796)
what a shame, would have been better if they had moved it to SEN
Better for whom ? I would have thought they might want to wait and see how their other new domestic routes to SEN perform before they commit further to SEN. In particular LDY after its transfer from STN.

cuthere 29th Oct 2019 13:20
Originally Posted by Tagron (Post 10605834)
Better for whom ? I would have thought they might want to wait and see how their other new domestic routes to SEN perform before they commit further to SEN. In particular LDY after its transfer from STN.
LDY is, as I’m sure you know, a PSO-funded route. They’ve added additional summer capacity as compared to LDY-STN. No idea if that’s a sign of increased demand.

AirportPlanner1 29th Oct 2019 13:54
Pax numbers on DND-STN have been heading backwards and last stats show average load of 57%. The existing SEN routes all have loads of 62-63%, which is clearly better including on CAX which is both a brand new route with somewhat faster link to London area by train. On that basis I can’t see what harm shifting to SEN would do, and can’t see the benefit of upgrading to an ATR unless they’ll be attempting to boost demand by lowering fares.

mullac30 29th Oct 2019 14:36
The Xplore Dundee coach service to Edinburgh Airport has apparently been very successful in its first months of operation with peak services being operated by two coaches simultaneously. This must surely be taking a fair chunk of DND-STNs customers?

goldeneye 29th Oct 2019 19:26
Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 10605871)
Pax numbers on DND-STN have been heading backwards and last stats show average load of 57%. The existing SEN routes all have loads of 62-63%, which is clearly better including on CAX which is both a brand new route with somewhat faster link to London area by train. On that basis I can’t see what harm shifting to SEN would do, and can’t see the benefit of upgrading to an ATR unless they’ll be attempting to boost demand by lowering fares.
Loganair will be retiring the Saab’s in the not too distant future, hence the switch to the ATR.

ifu05596 30th Oct 2019 08:05
Originally Posted by rhutch28 (Post 10596171)
With Flybe ending there Manchester to Glasgow route, do we think Loganair will take that on as well https://www.routesonline.com/news/38...nsions-in-w19/
I wish. My weekly commute to Cheshire has doubled from 2 to 4 hours!

Skipness One Foxtrot 30th Oct 2019 09:55
Pax numbers on DND-STN have been heading backwards and last stats show average load of 57%. The existing SEN routes all have loads of 62-63%, which is clearly better including on CAX which is both a brand new route with somewhat faster link to London area by train. On that basis I can’t see what harm shifting to SEN would do, and can’t see the benefit of upgrading to an ATR unless they’ll be attempting to boost demand by lowering fares.
If you think that level of direct analogy works, you cannot seriously be an airport planner. DND-STN is predicated on getting Dundonians into London, it's already hard pressed to do so offering a service to STN, whereas the old Suckling LCY-DND did quite well as it served the heart of (East) London, it had a selling point of dropping you into Central London and charged a premium for doing so. The USP of a DND-STN is nowhere near so strong, the marketability of SEN on that basis even less so. Now if you want to serve DND-SEN then fair play, but it's not realistic to compare it as a fast service connecting Dundee to London worthy of a taxpayer subsidy. I live in London, going all the way to Southend-on-Sea to catch a turboprop to Dundee when they're an hourly jet from LHR-EDI is nonsense on stilts. By all means go after the point-to-point niche market but THAT should not be subsidised.

ifu05596 30th Oct 2019 10:57
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot (Post 10606426)
If you think that level of direct analogy works, you cannot seriously be an airport planner. DND-STN is predicated on getting Dundonians into London, it's already hard pressed to do so offering a service to STN, whereas the old Suckling LCY-DND did quite well as it served the heart of (East) London, it had a selling point of dropping you into Central London and charged a premium for doing so. The USP of a DND-STN is nowhere near so strong, the marketability of SEN on that basis even less so. Now if you want to serve DND-SEN then fair play, but it's not realistic to compare it as a fast service connecting Dundee to London worthy of a taxpayer subsidy. I live in London, going all the way to Southend-on-Sea to catch a turboprop to Dundee when they're an hourly jet from LHR-EDI is nonsense on stilts. By all means go after the point-to-point niche market but THAT should not be subsidised.
Could just be a temporary according to this, switch to LCY might be coming soon!

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news...-as-next-year/

BAladdy 31st Oct 2019 23:39
G-LGNP was WFU and flown from Aberdeen to Orebro today.

Fly757X 2nd Nov 2019 11:48
I found this elsewhere: https://scontent-lht6-1.xx.fbcdn.net...09&oe=5E3235F3


It's also on the move: https://www.flightradar24.com/OYYAN/22b2c0a9

AirportsEd 2nd Nov 2019 23:10
Does anyone know when the Saab 2000 will be withdrawn from the LCY-IOM route?
Thanks,
Ed

Dontgothere 3rd Nov 2019 11:44
Originally Posted by Fly757X (Post 10608979)
Good heavens, G-LMRZ is a bit of an old-timer. 20 years old now - I imagine LM will probably keep it 5 years and then get shot of it.

mmeteesside 3rd Nov 2019 11:51
It's only going to be flying mail around so I am sure it's age won't be an issue.

BA318 5th Nov 2019 12:03
According to the LCY W19 start of season report, Loganair have been given slots for a Dundee service 11x weekly starting from Feb 2020. https://www.acl-uk.org/wp-content/up...son-report.pdf

Jerbourg 5th Nov 2019 15:20
GINFO shows the registered owner of G-LMRZ as Blue Islands (registered 4.11.2019)

welkyboy 5th Nov 2019 19:53
Originally Posted by Jerbourg (Post 10611462)
GINFO shows the registered owner of G-LMRZ as Blue Islands (registered 4.11.2019)
Loganair are using Blue Islands AOC until they(Loganair) get the ATR included on it. Blue Islands are also crew training the Logan crews

scodaman 10th Nov 2019 18:34
Something odd when attempting to book LDY-MAN in Jan 2020 with Loganair.

Only bookable days in Jan 2020 are the Friday 3rd Jan and Sunday 5th Jan. All other days showing a red X and 'Sold Out'.

Anyone know whats up?

mullac30 20th Nov 2019 11:37
After reading the fleet lists on Jethros and planespotters.net, I have realised that the youngest of the ex-HOP AT45s due to replace the S2000 fleet is older than the youngest S2000! Whats the point of introducing a "new" 24 year old fleet? Surely even if they are cheaper to run, they'd have to be replace them relatively soon?

BA318 20th Nov 2019 11:53
Originally Posted by mullac30 (Post 10622579)
After reading the fleet lists on Jethros and planespotters.net, I have realised that the youngest of the ex-HOP AT45s due to replace the S2000 fleet is older than the youngest S2000! Whats the point of introducing a "new" 24 year old fleet? Surely even if they are cheaper to run, they'd have to be replace them relatively soon?
I imagine parts are easier to come by for an ATR than a saab so the age shouldn't be a problem in itself.


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