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LBIA 19th Sep 2019 13:15

Loganair have just announced 2x new routes from East Midlands to Edinburgh & Glasgow. Both routes are up against Flybe competition with flights commencing from October 27th, 2019

Plane mad 134 19th Sep 2019 13:17

Flybe are ending both Edinburgh-East Midlands and Glasgow-East midlands.

mwm991 20th Sep 2019 11:11

I wonder if they'll expand into the med if Thomas Cook go bust?

sinbad73 20th Sep 2019 12:11


Originally Posted by mwm991 (Post 10574419)
I wonder if they'll expand into the med if Thomas Cook go bust?

Not sure whether to take this post seriously.

4567 22nd Sep 2019 11:34

I think it best that Loganair stick to what they know, Flybe should be on their radar rather than Thomas Cook.

Skipness One Foxtrot 22nd Sep 2019 18:40


Originally Posted by mwm991 (Post 10574419)
I wonder if they'll expand into the med if Thomas Cook go bust?

Ok that’s quite enough of that......

Flightrider 22nd Sep 2019 19:10

It's rather difficult to see why LM would be able to make this work if Thomas Cook sadly can't. It's not as though Loganair would have lots of high street travel agents or a big web presence to drive leisure customers to book with them, or any cost advantage. I think we can safely say that this would be a suicide mission if TC can't make it work.

TartinTon 22nd Sep 2019 19:54


Originally Posted by Flightrider (Post 10576397)
It's rather difficult to see why LM would be able to make this work if Thomas Cook sadly can't. It's not as though Loganair would have lots of high street travel agents or a big web presence to drive leisure customers to book with them, or any cost advantage. I think we can safely say that this would be a suicide mission if TC can't make it work.

Or the right aircraft type / infrastructure / Worldwide AOC / experience / money!! etc etc etc..

Just a ridiculous idea...just to be clear..not having a pop at you Flightrider!

Flightrider 22nd Sep 2019 20:06

Well quite. There are so many reasons why this is a non-starter that it's difficult to list all of them at once!

EGPO 23rd Sep 2019 12:22


Originally Posted by mwm991 (Post 10574419)
I wonder if they'll expand into the med if Thomas Cook go bust?

Loganair are a small , Scottish based Airline , operating many PSO routes .
The jets they do have are small and could never , compete with the capacity , the Airbus fleet thatbT.C carried .
Weather they buy the braer E Jet or A220 ) which was a subject of an internet and magazine article ,) remains to be seen .
Loganair when they branded back to their original. Colours , etc, stated they planned over time to target ' unserved , Northern English airports ', so Eg DTV or DSA/HUY they are at the latter seasonally . And tried DTV but pulled out .
With luck they will step in and rescue the DUB, AMD and BHD plus maybe CDG routes lost at DSA. if they did they may finally operate ABZ which the airport has been chasing for yearsx.
But they will never be a Thomas Cook !

BACsuperVC10 23rd Sep 2019 12:58


Originally Posted by 4567 (Post 10576013)
I think it best that Loganair stick to what they know, Flybe should be on their radar rather than Thomas Cook.

I agree, Loganair to the Med, no, end up destroying them.

Rottweiler22 23rd Sep 2019 13:00


Originally Posted by EGPO (Post 10577223)
Loganair are a small , Scottish based Airline , operating many PSO routes .
The jets they do have are small and could never , compete with the capacity , the Airbus fleet thatbT.C carried .
Weather they buy the braer E Jet or A220 ) which was a subject of an internet and magazine article ,) remains to be seen .
Loganair when they branded back to their original. Colours , etc, stated they planned over time to target ' unserved , Northern English airports ', so Eg DTV or DSA/HUY they are at the latter seasonally . And tried DTV but pulled out .
With luck they will step in and rescue the DUB, AMD and BHD plus maybe CDG routes lost at DSA. if they did they may finally operate ABZ which the airport has been chasing for yearsx.
But they will never be a Thomas Cook !

I heard rumours that flyBMI needed to fill an ERJ145 to make any profit from CDG, as Paris’ fees were extortionate. The only reason they kept the route going (normally at a loss) was because of the optimistic chance of eventually getting bigger aircraft (CRJs or E-jets), which would make more money. Same rules apply with Loganair, I think. They’d need bigger planes, and more bums on seats to make money from CDG. So I can’t see it myself.

I wish Loganair would get stuff going in DSA, and I remain optimistic they will. But I’m not banking on any new bases in the near future.

dboy 23rd Sep 2019 19:54

I dont really agree with the above statement. Eg: Brussels airlines is cancelling the brussels nantes flights because the crj was already too big to fill. The embraer of bmi rather was perfect for the job.
I think they (logonair) should just stick with the embraer since the demand for seats will shrink.

TartinTon 23rd Sep 2019 20:04


Originally Posted by dboy (Post 10577594)
I dont really agree with the above statement. Eg: Brussels airlines is cancelling the brussels nantes flights because the crj was already too big to fill. The embraer of bmi rather was perfect for the job.
I think they (logonair) should just stick with the embraer since the demand for seats will shrink.

The problem is that the smaller the jet the higher the seat cost is to put them in the air. Whilst Loganair's PSO routes should be profitable the same can't be said for the routes where they are completely exposed to the vagaries of what the customer is prepared to pay.
Pocket-sized jets are not money-making machines.

BA318 3rd Oct 2019 10:30

New routes to Newquay:

"Loganair will begin services from Newquay to Aberdeen (1 April), Newcastle (1 April), Norwich (3 April) and Glasgow (22 May). Glasgow and Norwich will be summer-seasonal at up to three- and four-weekly respectively. For the first time, Aberdeen and Newcastle will be year-round, both at four-weekly and up to daily in peak summer."
https://airlinergs.com/cornwall-airp...d-four-routes/

01475 3rd Oct 2019 21:00

Can't decide whether to be awestruck or scared at the speed of Loganair's expansion...

​​​​​​... into markets that have failed so many before them.

CabinCrewe 3rd Oct 2019 21:07


Originally Posted by 01475 (Post 10585915)
Can't decide whether to be awestruck or scared at the speed of Loganair's expansion...

​​​​​​... into markets that have failed so many before them.

Which have failed 'so many' before them?

ETOPS 4th Oct 2019 05:56

Don't think NQY to Scotland has been served as a market before so how can it have previously failed?

CabinCrewe 4th Oct 2019 07:17


Originally Posted by ETOPS (Post 10586112)
Don't think NQY to Scotland has been served as a market before so how can it have previously failed?

Yes it has. FlyBe continue to successfully operate the route from both GLA and EDI (although unlikely to run in parallel with LM)

NorthSouth 4th Oct 2019 12:48


Originally Posted by ETOPS (Post 10586112)
Don't think NQY to Scotland has been served as a market before

British Eagle Britannias from Glasgow, 1960s!



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