Loganair-2
 

Any guesses on who'll blink first on the GLA-MAN route. Was once 3 times daily single operator and ran half empty, now up to a ridiculous 8 a day. #unsustainable

I'm guessing Loganair - their passenger figures are mostly in single digits and are suffering reliability issues already.

I think both have had their moments this week. Flybe had cancellations and big delays earlier in the week too. Jury still out!

Loganair are only using the S2000 on the five weekday evening flights. They are using the SF340 on the rest of the flights. Between both companies there are ten flights on Tue, Wed & Thu.

How did Loganair end up on GLA-MAN (again)? This was a flybe route of their own inherited from the BA CONNECT sale.

Flybe allowed LM to take over the route as the Dash was to big. LM used the S340 or S2000.

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I'm a regular on the MAN-GLA-MAN route so have an interest :rolleyes:

It was a Flybe route up until the franchise deal signed with Loganair - the Dash 8 was suddenly deemed "too big" even though loads always seemed reasonable. As GLAEDI mentioned the service dropped to a mix of S2000/SF340 and became less reliable at the same time. Been badly delayed many times.

After Flybe cancelled the franchise we simply expected the route to revert to a Flybe Dash but Loganair decided to put up a fight and continue operating. Thus Flybe were sort of pushed into finding something smaller than the Dash hence the Eastern arrangement with S2000/J41.

Unsustainable in the long run at the frequency level today and single digit loads. 3 pax on an S2000 a couple of days ago.

At first Loganair operated these using the Flybe flight numbers (i.e. Loganair planes used on the Flybe route). Then it moved to Loganair flight numbers BE6XXX and the pricing on the route changed so i think it did move from being a Flybe route to a Loganair route (albeit under the Flybe Franchise).

All the while the divorcees fight it out at Manchester, Leeds Bradford remains without its Glasgow connection.

This is the world's best opportunity for a chancer to tell both Loganair and Eastern that the other is starting flights to Leeds, Oxford, Gloucester & Shoreham ... and to see what happens :E

Loganair 'claim first blood'
 

Loganair claims first blood in airline battle | Shetland News

Underlining perhaps the futility of it all, & the stupidity of putting a jet on the LSI run.

Loganair claiming overall load of 49 per cent and Flybe 23 per cent.

Significantly, unlike the Ryanair effect, Loganair say the market is not growing despite lower fares.

I'll guess that at some point Loganair give up Manchester / DTV / Norwich, Eastern give up the islands, and they both claim victory.

Low fares might grow the market in summer, but not September!

D328 ops January to March Question
 

The lease on the DOT ATR that has been operating on behalf of Loganair for the last few months ends on 31st October. Loganair will from the 1st to the 14th November lease ATT42 from the GCI based Aurigny to operate the DND-STN route.

Based on the schedule online Loganair will replace the AT4 with a SF3. This is planned to operate from the 15th November and 20th December. The route is then showing as being operated by a D328 from 21st December through to the end of the W17 schedule.

Does anyone know if they are planning to transfer a D328 to operate from DND or are they planning to lease a aircraft to operate from DND?.

The reason I ask is that from what I can see Loganair will require 3 D328’s to operate all the flights scheduled to be op by a D328 between January and late March. Details below.

Monday

1 - NWI-MAN-NWI-EDI-IOM-EDI-NWI (*1)
2 - NWI-EDI-NWI-MAN-NWI-MAN-NWI
3 - DND-STN-DND-STN-DND

Tuesday to Thursday

1 - NWI-MAN-NWI-MAN-NWI-MAN-NWI (*2)
2 - NWI-EDI-NWI-EDI-NWI (*3)
3 - DND-STN-DND-STN-DND (*4)

Friday

1 - NWI-MAN-NWI-MAN-NWI-MAN-NWI (*4)
2 - NWI-EDI-NWI-EDI-NWI (*5)
3 - DND-STN-DND-STN-DND (*4)

Saturday - No D328 operated flights scheduled.

Sunday

1 - NWI-EDI-NWI-MAN-NWI
2 - DND-STN-DND
3 - Aircraft not required

Notes:

*1 - Aircraft arrives from EDI 16:35 no flights scheduled after that
*2 - Aircraft remain on ground in NWI 09:45-14:40
*3 - Aircraft remain on ground in NWI 10:15-17:35
*4 - Aircraft remain on ground in DND 10:35-16:50
*5 - Aircraft on ground in NWI until 13:45

Whats happening with G-BYMK its not seen any service for a good few months?

WFU 28JUL17. Was flown from DND to Bangor for part out.

Looks like the Aurigny ATR42 being leased from 1st to 14th November is G-HUET

Seating chart is for an ATR72 it seems.

Can I ask what dates you looked at?. I have checked the seat plan for flights on 6 different days from 1st to 14NOV. I can only see a 48 seat seat plan.

Aurigny has a surplus ATR42 now that GCI-LCY is axed. Or are they going to replace an ATR72 on their own services with the ATR42 so that an ATR72 will be leased? Quite an capacity overkill...

3rd and 5th. I am in 18F!

Aurigny’s ATR42 has seat row numbering that misses a block of row numbers out mid cabin so the front and rear match the ATR72 if I recall from my last trip on G-HUET.

As a matter of interest, does anyone have any data on how the flybe v Loganair battle is going so far, regarding loads?

How are Longanair getting on with seat capacity so far? Any ideas on potential future route expansion?

They've been campaigning on Facebook for more staff due to expansion at Durham Tess Valley... Whilst simultaneously not getting back to me regarding my application over 2 weeks later.

It'll be interesting to see what they mean by expansion at MME

As with most companies they’ll have closing dates for applications. I’m sure you’ll hear once that date passes and a sift has been completed. Two weeks is nothing to wait on applications to be considered. Is this the first job you have applied for? I know companies that their recruitment process can take 12-18mths to complete.

Far from the first job I've applied for, and I'm into my 13th month of waiting for updates regarding a different cabin crew job (I've done, and passed the assessments, been offered a job... Just no vacancies/start dates). Currently in the public sector though... I'm slowly learning how the private sector works!

I apologise, I should have been more clear. I thought I would have received an email acknowledging receipt of my application, but I haven't. I fully expected to have to wait weeks or months for a response regarding a interview etc. But I've been having issues with my emails and asked them to let me know that they received it alright.

Alas... Hurry up and wait

Keeping my fingers well and truly crossed, I think Loganair would actually be my preference out of the ones I've applied for

Working for bigger companies isn't always better

EK77WNCL -

Regrettably, most employers these days don't acknowledge applications unless they intend to take them further.

Keep hoping - and best of luck!

I've been a bean counter in both. It shocked me quite a lot to discover that, on average, the public sector is probably more efficient. We think of it as not being because the things that annoy us are it being efficient for them, not us. Whereas there are private companies that... I don't know. I just don't know...

I know what you mean, I thought the same, but the NHS has been fantastically efficient throughout, and the private sector has been, actually quite useless!

What’s the plan for DND-STN once the Aurigny ATR45 goes back?

Current plan is to revert to a company Saab 340

NWI-MAN-GLA
 

Not sure if I was the only one who missed this but it appears in addition to the NWI-MME-ABZ rotation, there is now also a “direct” NWI-MAN-GLA rotation. Personally haven’t seen this advertised anywhere!

ATR42 Lease
G-HUET appears to have an extended lease, now based at NWI rather than DND covering for a Do328.

Dornier fleet
 

It seems that the remaining two left in the fleet are causing this airline some problem , as they go tech rather a lot, considering their age how much longer can they carry on , being Norwich based we see them parked up, being worked on or the odd engine test
what plans are there for their replacement
G-HUET is with us at the moment covering but that did go tech too

All aircraft in the Dornier fleet were inherited from Suckling (a.k.a.Scot) Airways. Both of the remaining two a/c have been for sale for a number of months. A third (G-BYMK) was withdrawn in the summer and flown across the pond to Bangor for part-out. It would appear there is little demand for Do.328s now, thus Loganair have kept the final two a/c going. It would make more economic sense surely to dispose of them and use SF340s or SAAB 2000s for the time being until a suitable replacement type is sourced. The days of the Dornier "fleet" of two are surely numbered.

AURIGNY LEASED AIRCRAFT:
Presumably ATR42 G-HUET is u/s at Norwich as ATR72 G-COBO has positioned in from GCI this afternoon and is operating Logan schedules.

Luggage issues?
 

Hi,

I've been having some issues with luggage connections lately: it seems to be connected with Loganair shifting to labels that can only cope with one connection rather than two, as they took the franchise back. But I'm not sure!

I'm wondering if anyone else has been encountering similar problems?

According to routes online, Loganair are releasing additional summer routes today, including services to Bergen from Glasgow and Manchester.

Below are a list of the flights released today.

Glasgow to Bergen - 2 x Weekly S2000 service will operate 27MAY-09SEP.
Glasgow to Guernsey - Weekly S2000 service will operate 26MAY-15SEP.
Kirkwall to Fair Isle - 2 x Weekly BN2 service will operate 25MAY-05OCT.
Manchester to Bergen via Inverness - 3 x Weekly ER4 service from 09MAY
Manchester to Kirkwall - 2 x Weekly D328 service will operate from 22JUN-03SEP
Manchester to Stornaway - Weekly SF3 service will operate from 23JUN-01SEP
Manchester to Sumburgh - Weekly S2000 service will operate from 23JUN-01SEP
Norwich to Inverness - 2 x Weekly D328 service will operate 29MAY-03OCT.
Norwich to Isle of Man - 2 x Weekly D328 service will operate 25MAY-10JUN.
Norwich to Jersey - 5 x Weekly D328 service will operate 30APR-08OCT.