Originally Posted by mmeteesside
(Post 10561145)
Expect it’ll be another direct hit on some Eastern/Flybe routes - likely out of Aberdeen. Wonder if we’ll see a Teesside base with flights to Aberdeen and (probably part funded) to Southend I see the NCL-ABZ is now running. Direct competition between Loganair and Eastern Airways. Just minutes apart too. I spoke with a dispatcher in ABZ today who commented that the Loganair jets are already taking more passengers than their Eastern Airways counterparts. Surprising, given the NCL-ABZ route hasn't even been going a week. I also took the opportunity to speak to a few crew. EA crews have been told that Loganair's numbers will eventually dwindle and the route will be too thin to operate jets on. Loganair crews seem to think their cheaper fares and better reliability will bring the passengers. All in all, it should be an interesting few months for both Loganair and Eastern. |
Originally Posted by Rottweiler22
(Post 10561823)
Sadly, I can't imagine Loganair being in the market for more bases. Especially English ones. As perfect as MME would be for me, I can't see it happening. I would have thought the best chance for a new Loganair base would be DSA, given the opportunities open to them following flyBe pulling out. Still, this is fantasy. Any more routes and airports will probably be serviced remotely from their northern UK bases.
I see the NCL-ABZ is now running. Direct competition between Loganair and Eastern Airways. Just minutes apart too. I spoke with a dispatcher in ABZ today who commented that the Loganair jets are already taking more passengers than their Eastern Airways counterparts. Surprising, given the NCL-ABZ route hasn't even been going a week. I also took the opportunity to speak to a few crew. EA crews have been told that Loganair's numbers will eventually dwindle and the route will be too thin to operate jets on. Loganair crews seem to think their cheaper fares and better reliability will bring the passengers. All in all, it should be an interesting few months for both Loganair and Eastern. |
Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10561828)
Interesting to hear that LM’s flights from ABZ to NCL are already carrying more passengers than T3. It will be interesting to see if both LM and T3 plan to continue to operate up to 3 x daily when they release there S20 schedules. |
Fare war
Initially low fares to entice custom doesn't work in regional aviation. And from what I have seen the LM loads compared to the T3 loads are actually quite comparable.
But taking into the consideration the operational cost of a 145 to a J41 with the same loads it's easy to see who can sustain the lower load factors for longer. LMs major expansion and rejigging with ultimately lead to their downfall, T3 have learned that and being burned by the partnership with the devil in Purple. Interesting and rather scary times ahead for both companies. As a side note, I'd love to see Sierra Nevada successful in bringing the 328 back to the market. A wonderful aircraft. |
Originally Posted by PintofDoom
(Post 10561888)
LMs major expansion and rejigging with ultimately lead to their downfall
The Emb are probably the equivalent of BAs 744's fuel thirsty and expensive but paid off and overall not as expensive as first apparent. |
Initially low fares to entice custom doesn't work in regional aviation. And from what I have seen the LM loads compared to the T3 loads are actually quite comparable. But taking into the consideration the operational cost of a 145 to a J41 with the same loads it's easy to see who can sustain the lower load factors for longer. LMs major expansion and rejigging with ultimately lead to their downfall, T3 have learned that and being burned by the partnership with the devil in Purple. |
Loganair is a much larger airline today than it was, and Eastern is a shrinking shadow of what it was in its heyday. |
Absolutely. But the inescapable fact remains that Eastern is about 13 aircraft if what's posted on their thread is correct and Loganair is about 45 depending on what you count or exclude. It's a heck of a difference in size.
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Indeed! Especially with the prospect of new ATR’s about to enter the fleet. |
LM are operating weekend GLA-BHX on behalf of BE at the moment. Are BE short of aircraft or crew ? |
Originally Posted by goldeneye
(Post 10564864)
LM are operating weekend GLA-BHX on behalf of BE at the moment. Are BE short of aircraft or crew ? |
Originally Posted by goldeneye
(Post 10564864)
LM are operating weekend GLA-BHX on behalf of BE at the moment. Are BE short of aircraft or crew ? |
Loganair have today announced 6 new routes: Aberdeen to Brussels - Will operate 4 x weekly from 28th October, flights will operate via Newcastle Aberdeen to East Midlands - Will operate 6 x weekly from 24th February 2020 Aberdeen to Haugesund - Will operate 6 x weekly from 24th February 2020 Glasgow to Cardiff - Will operate Daily from 27th February 2020 Newcastle to Bergen - Begins 26th April 2020 Newcastle to Guernsey - Begins 23rd May 2020 https://www.insider.co.uk/news/logan...vices-19911015 |
Edit: I was too slow.
Aberdeen is getting quite a good Norwegian route network now. |
Originally Posted by tibbs87
(Post 10561367)
I should think so, considering Saab 340's have landed on the very steep and challenging Elba Airport in Italy on a 949m runway ;)
The answer was YES, but restricted to 18 passengers. Not considered viable from the commercial point of view. |
Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10565416)
Loganair have today announced 6 new routes: Aberdeen to Brussels - Will operate 4 x weekly from 28th October, flights will operate via Newcastle Aberdeen to East Midlands - Will operate 6 x weekly from 24th February 2020 Aberdeen to Haugesund - Will operate 6 x weekly from 24th February 2020 Glasgow to Cardiff - Will operate Daily from 27th February 2020 Newcastle to Bergen - Begins 26th April 2020 Newcastle to Guernsey - Begins 23rd May 2020 https://www.insider.co.uk/news/logan...vices-19911015 |
Originally Posted by parkfell
(Post 10568392)
Loganair need to consider Carlisle to Isle of Man, and Jersey as S20 routes. Worked well in the past. |
initial new ATR routes apparently announced but can't seem to find them... |
Originally Posted by VickersVicount
(Post 10572338)
initial new ATR routes apparently announced but can't seem to find them... Aberdeen to Kirkwall - ATR to operate 7 of the 18 weekly flights from 29th March Aberdeen to Sumburgh - ATR to operate 4 of the 26 weekly flights from 29th March Edinburgh to Kirkwall - ATR to operate 11 of the 20 weekly flights from 29th March |
Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10572389)
Looking at the schedule I have found the following routes showing ATR ops for next summer Aberdeen to Kirkwall - ATR to operate 7 of the 18 weekly flights from 29th March Aberdeen to Sumburgh - ATR to operate 4 of the 26 weekly flights from 29th March Edinburgh to Kirkwall - ATR to operate 11 of the 20 weekly flights from 29th March |
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