Originally Posted by Alteagod
(Post 10632953)
The numbers and yield are probably there but its matching that up with the right carrier and air frame to use is the issue and I guess not just for LM and NWI but the wider domestic airline business model
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Originally Posted by NickBarnes
(Post 10632974)
Most definitely the use of a fuel hungry ERJ on such a short route was the cause of this, honestly wouldn't surprise me if eastern turn up with a J41 and take it on.
I used the BE service on a regular basis 2006-2007 for work, much quicker and easier than the train, admittedly helped by the fact that at the time I lived near Norwich Airport and my work was based in Wilmslow. Flights were always busy (to be fair I used the popular Sunday evening or Mon morning out, Fri evening back flights) and fares were IIRC very reasonable, Finance certainly never complained when I put my expenses in! |
Originally Posted by Expressflight
(Post 10632410)
Lat year a total of 19,940 pax flew the NWI-MAN route, while in 2017 it was 26,209. Going back to 2008 that figure was 42,846 so there has been a huge drop off in traffic on the route. Who has operated NWI-MAN over the years? I can recall it being a Flybe route (I think) that was then franchised to Loganair and latterly operated by them in their own right. I wonder how the fares have changed over the years because they seem quite high these days and I wonder if, perhaps in the Flybe days, fares were lower in real terms. Otherwise it's hard to see why the pax numbers fell off so dramatically as the train journey still takes nearly 5 hours and by road it takes about the same amount of time.
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And the train journey is going to be split soon to aid efficiency....
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Originally Posted by SealinkBF
(Post 10633029)
And the train journey is going to be split soon to aid efficiency....
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Originally Posted by NickBarnes
(Post 10632974)
Most definitely the use of a fuel hungry ERJ on such a short route was the cause of this, honestly wouldn't surprise me if eastern turn up with a J41 and take it on.
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Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10
(Post 10633002)
I've used the route since the Eastern Airways days on it, its never been that busy a service but handy to have. I have to say of late i've taken the train more, a combination of times don't suit me, fares too expensive compared to rail and ease of travelling from a local railway station. Battling through Manchester T3 in the morning, and being stuck on the M56 to get to the airport in the first place, is quite stressful too.
The last time I used it the NWI flight was next to us and only had low single figures both in and out, so some flights must have been real loss-makers which the ERJ would exacerbate. |
According to Jethro’s fleet listings, Loganair are adding 2 ATR72-600’s (G-FBXA/B) in January, both aircraft are about 4 years olds and formally operated by BE on behalf of SAS
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10637520)
According to Jethro’s fleet listings, Loganair are adding 2 ATR72-600’s (G-FBXA/B) in January, both aircraft are about 4 years olds and formally operated by BE on behalf of SAS
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10637520)
According to Jethro’s fleet listings, Loganair are adding 2 ATR72-600’s (G-FBXA/B) in January, both aircraft are about 4 years olds and formally operated by BE on behalf of SAS
Is this perhaps to cover some work on behalf of Flybe (Connect Airways) ? |
Originally Posted by mullac30
(Post 10637526)
That's more like it! Aside from the government Twotters, are these the youngest a/c they've ever acquired ?
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Weren't the original Islanders/Trislanders new as well?
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10637570)
Weren't the original Islanders/Trislanders new as well?
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Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10637520)
According to Jethro’s fleet listings, Loganair are adding 2 ATR72-600’s (G-FBXA/B) in January, both aircraft are about 4 years olds and formally operated by BE on behalf of SAS
I wonder where they are going to be based and on what routes they will be operating them on. |
Originally Posted by fjencl
(Post 10637968)
I wonder where they are going to be based and on what routes they will be operating them on.
https://www.shetnews.co.uk/2019/12/1...to-fill-seats/ |
Originally Posted by goldeneye
(Post 10638087)
Believe the ATR72’s are for the Shetland services. To Aberdeen and Glasgow. |
East Midlands
Originally Posted by BAladdy
(Post 10623331)
LM are dropping there GLA-SEN service from 3rd January.
I assume East Mids was a base and is this also closing based on whether the above is accurate. Pete |
Originally Posted by OltonPete
(Post 10640318)
Are we adding East Midlands to Brussels and Inverness to the list?
I assume East Mids was a base and is this also closing based on whether the above is accurate. Pete grts |
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....20dd1d0cec.jpg
Looking good. All window shades down, is the the first for just cargo? |
Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
(Post 10640431)
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....20dd1d0cec.jpg
Looking good. All window shades down, is the the first for just cargo? G-LMRA was recently spotted in full livery in Toulouse: |
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