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Originally Posted by cj241101
(Post 10331135)
And not a broken floor tile in sight....
LTNman, I think this was probably the 2005/6 rebuild as it looks like the upstairs departure lounge which opened around then. |
It is interesting with Jet2 being mentioned here that LGW & even SEN have also laid claim to losing or missing out with the base so not all can be correct one wonders. |
Originally Posted by LGS6753
(Post 10331309)
But that means Stansted could have been their fourth choice! As you say, depends how you spin it.....:cool:
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"If Luton had the land"....From a post above.
Perhaps another instance of the mangle & spin it how you might of stats could be then the area size of major UK airports... LTN is tiny & 2nd smallest with 196 Ha. Random others... MAN 552 Ha LGW 615 Ha STN 713 Ha ABZ 824 Ha LHR 1215 Ha & very surprisingly (perhaps) BFS is the largest airport in the UK with 1420 Ha!. |
Originally Posted by southside bobby
(Post 10331515)
"If Luton had the land"....From a post above.
LTN is tiny & 2nd smallest with 196 Ha.. |
...but is not SEN pipped to that post by LCY at 83 Ha.
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Originally Posted by southside bobby
(Post 10331528)
...but is not SEN pipped to that post by LCY at 83 Ha.
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LLAL which owns the land the airport sits on and is itself owned by the council has taken over the control and running of a major town park and county wildlife site the borders the airport. No consultation just plain theft of a strategic community asset. The DART was never about serving the exiting terminal but all about serving a second terminal as that would be when it was needed. The council is so sure that planning permission will be given by the government to expand the airport that it is spending £225 million on a gamble that will not add a single passenger to the airports existing capacity. When that day happens Luton will be sitting on a larger piece of land. |
There is a saying...
Originally Posted by southside bobby
(Post 10331515)
"If Luton had the land"....From a post above.
Perhaps another instance of the mangle & spin it how you might of stats could be then the area size of major UK airports... LTN is tiny & 2nd smallest with 196 Ha. Random others... MAN 552 Ha LGW 615 Ha STN 713 Ha ABZ 824 Ha LHR 1215 Ha & very surprisingly (perhaps) BFS is the largest airport in the UK with 1420 Ha!. |
Steady on......
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Did wonder what sauce he was on last night........
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Originally Posted by Lee Baker Street
(Post 10331550)
Size is irrelevant but it’s what you do with it that matters! LTN might be small but if you consider it another way; in terms of size it is very efficient and from another angle most UK airports would love to have its footfall. Come the time when it builds those 16+ stands... it is capable of becoming the UKs number 3 airport! When it reaches its true potential the climax will leave the likes of MAG fealing inferior! |
LTN, The locals love highlighting its failures.( and some are on another planet it seems) The STN thread dwellers who can see no wrong at STN and love to come over and stick the boot in when they feel like it. The SEN guys trying to add a bit of humour and realism. Thanks for all the posts, good to read! |
Back to figures...namely pax per Ha for 2017....rankings are as follows...
LTN (LLA for some) LGW LHR MAN STN |
Remember if STN ever gets runway 2 then the gamble would have been lost and Luton could be forced to become the Le Bourget of London. |
Originally Posted by Falcon666
(Post 10331582)
LTN, The locals love highlighting its failures.( and some are on another planet it seems) The STN thread dwellers who can see no wrong at STN and love to come over and stick the boot in when they feel like it. The SEN guys trying to add a bit of humour and realism. Thanks for all the posts, good to read! lets all play fair everyone is welcome in all threads unless they are locked. |
Exactly the point ericlday I was expecting someone to do the maths & use the statistics to portray them in another form...
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10331606)
But LTN has something that STN will never have - location, location, location
if you want to play the game of LTN has this and Stansted hasn’t, I think you will loose. let me give you a few to start- Train station in the terminal 👍, Jet bridges👍, one of the busiest uk coach stations👍 A380 stands 👍 very long runway👍 Brand new arrivals building under construction👍. I think 10 new aircraft stands built this year with at least 2 more under construction👍. Your turn 🙄. |
Regarding the DART....The provision was a condition for the granting of planning permission to the 18m pax pa was it not?.
Could it be interpreted that the slow construction of the DART is because the airport has nearly reached that figure of 18m & providing £££ for it now as LTN tops out is a drain on Council resources. |
Okay, I'll play my Top Trump - LTN is in a better location for customers (people who buy airline tickets) - just look at a map.
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
(Post 10331630)
Okay, I'll play my Top Trump - LTN is in a better location for customers (people who buy airline tickets) - just look at a map.
People fly into London airports with onward travel to many place not just London. Why can’t we all play nice and agree, Luton is Luton and Stansted is Stansted and each has its pro’s and cons. But we need to stop with the unrealistic ambitions that Luton is going to shoot up in the wrackings, it is what it is. Im not LTN bashing I’m stating facts, let’s keep it real. |
People fly into London airports with onward travel to many place not just London. I was referring to the comment that LTN may become the "Le Bourget of London" (i.e. lose it's airline services) if STN got a second runway. If it is left to the market (i.e. no articifial intervention), it will never happen because of LTN's location |
Originally Posted by daz211
(Post 10331623)
location location location to what? if you want to play the game of LTN has this and Stansted hasn’t, I think you will loose. let me give you a few to start- Train station in the terminal ��, Jet bridges��, one of the busiest uk coach stations�� A380 stands �� very long runway�� Brand new arrivals building under construction��. I think 10 new aircraft stands built this year with at least 2 more under construction��. Your turn ��. Okay, I'll play my Top Trump - LTN is in a better location for customers (people who buy airline tickets) - just look at a map Can't argue that point either as it is valid. Luton is also on a main line and not a branch line, has a 24 hour service and has direct access from the Midlands to the South Coast and a hundred stations in between. The point regarding the DART is that capacity will be reached before the DART is complete so becomes irrelevant to the existing airport apart from adding convenience. The DART is all about long term expansion and a second terminal. Regarding the DART....The provision was a condition for the granting of planning permission to the 18m pax pa was it not?. The issue with the DART is that it was thought about too late after work had started on the 18 million expansion. Whole areas of newly completed work has and is being dug up to allow the DART to go in adding ££££££ to the final bill. |
Thanks re the DART I should pay more attention.
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November saw over 1.1 million passengers passing through the airport an 11.5 per cent rise on November 2017.
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I wonder if there is going to be an official opening ceremony for the terminal? In the last couple of days teams of people have been scrubbing the tarmac at the front of the terminal trying to remove the bubble gum. Designer signage has gone up outside that can't be read unless you stand within 5 metres as the writing is so small and providing that no smoker is learning on it. Plants have also been planted in flower beds. No more floor tiles have been replaced in locations that a grand tour would not cover so the first 30 check-in desks have had the floors repaired while the last 30 haven't. Christmas has arrived at Luton while in the background the hoardings have come down revealing the glass screens covering the passenger search area https://i.imgur.com/goNFwr2.jpg I have come to the conclusion that apart from 3 small sections of ceiling in the new build the idea of fitting wooden slats has been abandoned. There is still general work taking place in pockets but the bulk of the terminal work seems to be complete but with a few hoardings still to be removed around arrivals. I have to ask but is there a worse airport terminal ceiling anywhere in the UK or even Europe? https://i.imgur.com/1MieOXU.jpg |
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More than half of these (16) will be at London City airport, whose major constraining factor is stand availability rather than runway availability. London Gatwick and London Luton airports have no net increase in total capacity. |
http://www.travelweekly.co.uk/articl...ristmas-period
Day three of removing the chewing gum outside the terminal with chemicals and pressure washers. Day one of cleaning the doors and windows. Wonder who is coming? |
Father Christmas......
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Well the cleaners at LTN are to undertake a second week long strike between 21/12-28/12.
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They might have removed the bubble gum from the floor but they could not hide the ceiling. Maybe the guests were issued with blinkers so they couldn't look up.
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It does all appear slightly underwhelming as ceremonies go perhaps...
…& not all progress on the arrivals board as a BBC article to illustrate the history of LTN portrays a photo of an Avro York disembarking passengers at Luton Airport from HONG KONG in 1951 !... |
So it was Mr Grayling?
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Who is he?
They should not have bothered with any sort of event. Outside looks rough, downstairs looks half finished, upstairs looks better but then there are the boarding gates. Best not to say too much about the bulk of those. As pointed out they replaced some broken tiles as clearly they were embarrassed but leave the ones that the guests won't see. |
What is wrong with Hong Kong Southside. It was probably a government charter looking how the passengers are dressed.
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As when they were about to cut the ribbon the fire alarm went off. Some water leak triggered it.
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Nought wrong with Hong Kong it just illustrates the irony that it is not on the arrivals board nowadays...BUT it was just a light hearted observation nothing serious...
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Another Tender out today. Another new apron with 8 , yes 8 stands and a GA area down by the run up bay. I wonder if this is another Apron or was the previous Tender related to this and not the area on the current drop off area? |
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