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AvGeek1 20th Sep 2017 12:46

Luton-9
 
1. Amsterdam - 509.104
2. Budapest - 391,912
3. Bucharest - 380,742
4. Barcelona - 344,927
5. Warsaw - 296,033
6. Tel Aviv - 278,525
7. Dublin - 240,825
8. Malaga - 238,530
9. Faro - 228,969
10. Copenhagen - 225,317
11. Belfast - 223,624
12. Cluj-Napoca - 219,297
13. Geneva - 216,278
14. Palma de Mallorca - 211,451
15. Katowice - 211,370
16. Edinburgh - 204,605
17. Gdansk - 195,697
18. Sofia - 192,447
19. Paris Charles de Gaulle - 190,725
20. Alicante - 189,290

Source: LLA Statistics

pabely 20th Sep 2017 17:08


Originally Posted by toledoashley (Post 9897126)
Giles - If my understanding is correct, it is likely that Jet2 will get the MAX order and operation excluding Luton and Gatwick. Slots at Gatwick/Luton most likely to go to easyJet.

A nice HO building in the right place with some good parking to boot. Engineering arm which is mostly up the road in Brum now but some capacity for EZY Maintenance (they use them in the Winter anyhow), oh what to do with H89 then!:}

AvGeek1 20th Sep 2017 22:23

easyJet Schedule (24th March 2018 - 24th June 2018)
 
ABZ – 5
ALC – 15
AMS – 40
AYT – 2
BCN – 20
BSL – 7
BFS – 24
SXF – 13
BJV – 2
BOD – 7
CFU – 5
HER – 3
PFO – 5
DTM – 7
DBV – 3
EDI – 22
ESU – 2
FAO – 17
GVA – 13
GLA – 16
HAM – 6
IBZ – 7
INV – 12
IOM – 3
JER – 5
ACE – 2
LIS – 19
LYS – 6
MAD – 9
PMI – 16 (Jun, varies massively other months)
AGP – 20
MRS – 4
MAH – 3
MXP – 14
MUC – 6
JMK – 2
NTE – 4
NAP – 7
NCE – 16
CDG – 21
PSA – 8
OPO – 4
KEF – 6
RHO – 2
FCO – 6
AHO – 3
OLB – 2
SVQ – 3
CTA – 4
SPU – 4
ARN – 4
TLV – 12
TFS – 3
TLS – 6
VLC – 3
VCE – 7
VIE – 4
ZAD – 2
ZRH – 5

= 498 weekly departures (with June PMI)

BIQ & MPL not loaded

planedrive 20th Sep 2017 23:39

HAM appears to end on 24th March 2018 on the easyJet website, not loaded for next summer yet

LGS6753 21st Sep 2017 08:15

EZY to operate around 500 flights per week next summer, but that's not too far ahead of WZZ, who are currently operating about 350.

Spanish eyes 21st Sep 2017 09:24

Which points to the fact that including routes from Easyjet, Tarom, Blue Air and Ryanair around half of all passengers using Luton are Eastern Europeans.

planedrive 21st Sep 2017 17:58

Does anyone know whether Thomas Cook are returning next year?

southside bobby 21st Sep 2017 20:14

No evidence of a Thomas Cook presence @ LTN in 2018...credit their own Summer 18 short haul timetable in PDF format..

LTNman 22nd Sep 2017 16:16

From the Luton rumour mill. Norwegian looking into setting up a UK base at Luton with Luton as the UK HQ using Monarch assets I here.

pabely 22nd Sep 2017 16:21

PA: Norwegian vurderer ε kjψpe Monarch Airlines - Norwegian Air Shuttle - Nζringsliv - E24

LTNman 22nd Sep 2017 16:38

Monarch has such a long history at Luton which goes back 50 years from its inception. I hope it survives for another 50 years but if its name does disappear Norwegian could be very good for Luton and they could just snap up some of those new slots that will be coming to Luton with the completion of this phase of building work.

I guess it is a case of watch this space as easyjet and Wizz could do battle with a new boy on the Luton block.

Buster the Bear 22nd Sep 2017 17:00

https://www.thecourier.co.uk/busines...l-sources-say/

I would suggest the prime targets are the slots for Manchester and Gatwick. A Luton base may just be a re-branding of current Monarch routes, should such a take over happen?

fjencl 22nd Sep 2017 17:23

Regarding the new LTN base for wizz air. What routes is the 1 based aircraft operating each day. ???

LTNman 22nd Sep 2017 17:34

I think officially there is one based aircraft but in reality 3 Wizz aircraft night stopped for the summer peak. No idea about what is happening for the winter season or even now.

toledoashley 23rd Sep 2017 08:37


Originally Posted by Buster the Bear (Post 9900672)
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/busines...l-sources-say/

I would suggest the prime targets are the slots for Manchester and Gatwick. A Luton base may just be a re-branding of current Monarch routes, should such a take over happen?

From what I'm being told Norwegian are not interested in short haul - specifically looking for Gatwick slots to expand long haul.

compton3bravo 23rd Sep 2017 08:52

Could they not move some short haul from Gatwick freeing slots for long haul. Just a thought.

Buster the Bear 23rd Sep 2017 09:04

They are also looking for feeder traffic for the long-haul, thus the recent deal with easyJet and the 'failed' agreement with Ryanair.

toledoashley 23rd Sep 2017 09:15


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 9901248)
Could they not move some short haul from Gatwick freeing slots for long haul. Just a thought.

Like Monarch, they have said they can't compete on SH, especially from the UK. So, I would rate that as unlikely.

AvGeek1 23rd Sep 2017 16:15

I have always thought the same, easyJet should at least be 2 daily on weekends, with maybe an extra on a weekday, increasing to 9 weekly. Since Ryanair launched Faro head to head with easyJet, I have thought that maybe they might try LTN-IBZ.

daz211 23rd Sep 2017 17:31

Agree IBZ is a good money maker and if you look at STN on a Saturday they have 7 flights to Ibiza with multiple carriers it one of those routes that sell well and fill well.

gilesdavies 25th Sep 2017 09:26


I have always thought the same, easyJet should at least be 2 daily on weekends, with maybe an extra on a weekday, increasing to 9 weekly. Since Ryanair launched Faro head to head with easyJet, I have thought that maybe they might try LTN-IBZ.
If easyJet can get away with charging top dollar on the IBZ to LTN route, why would they want to dilute this by offering greater frequency.

Luton is the only London base they don't have competition on this route from another carrier at the same airport (with the exception of Southend and thats not a proper London airport), and have probably taken a view. That the price conscious traveller will fly to IBZ from another of their London bases and where they have to operate the same route cheaper to compete with the competition, reserving the seats out LTN for the people willing to pay more.

The Faro route is operate by an aircraft from Ryanair's base there and they don't operate a base out of IBZ. The LTN based aircraft for Ryanair, their schedule is pretty much maxxed out and with the exception of CPH (when that operated), Ryanair and easyJet seem to keep their distance at competing on routes.

Planespeaking 25th Sep 2017 09:31

You state that SEN is not a 'proper London airport'. What is your basis for that assertion?

port_94 25th Sep 2017 10:06

Rumour Mill Alert! 🚨
 
As loaders we hear all kinds of rubbish but this one is strange

We heard today from an EZY manager (former loader colleague) that the airport are in talks with them to relocate out of the big orange eyesore hanger and rip it down to explore all possibilities for the Mass Passenger Transit System?
The airport are in frequent talks with EZY to find possible land for the new Hangar they require.

Sounding stupid but easyJet’s response was also strange. Apparently from the roumor, some staff will be going soon and either relocating to their Euro HQ or down the job centre. From what we hear it’s kinda uncertain times for the big orange at LTN

Sounds stupid and unlikely to me but thought I’d share.

LTNman 25th Sep 2017 14:02

I mentioned sometime ago that easyjet had outgrown their HQ and were looking for somewhere else close to the airport but I can’t remember now who told me. That might not be the case now that some of their jobs might move to the European mainland.

I also said before it was announced that the site of the orange hanger would be a good location for a station. With the station build delayed until the multi story is built they have time for second thoughts. The issue though is the timescale. Doubt the hangar could go in under 4 years.

toledoashley 25th Sep 2017 19:22

May there be another HQ become available soon... maybe?

gilesdavies 26th Sep 2017 00:38


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 9903156)
You state that SEN is not a 'proper London airport'. What is your basis for that assertion?

Well...

I'm not looking to get into any arguments about it, which I'm sure you are gunning for, and I'm sure the SEN fanboys will disagree with my view.

However as you asked, I said that as:

- It is not considered a London airport if you search booking engines on major travel websites with just "London" or "LDN", with it only returning results for LHR, LGW, STN, LTN and LCY.

- The airport doesn't fall under London ATC.

- Public Transport to the capital early morning and late at night to/from London is almost impossible if you are catching a flight before 7.30am and arriving after 10pm. With it being a minor base for easyJet and FlyBE/Stobart Air, early departures and late arrivals are inevitable.

It sounds a very respectable little regional secondary airport for the people of Essex to use, but that's all it is. Being on par with the likes of Exeter, Humberside or Doncaster, just serving the locality.

That's all I'll say in the matter, in this forum, as it's a little off topic.

Expressflight 26th Sep 2017 08:07

gilesdavies

Well I don't know if you don't consider Kayak, Skyscanner, Expedia, Opodo and Booking.com "major travel websites" but they all show SEN when 'London, all airports' is selected as the departure point. I didn't bother checking more than those five. The official London tourist website visitlondon.com lists SEN. IATA recognises SEN as a London airport.

Yes, a very good idea not to say any more I think.

LTNman 26th Sep 2017 17:28

Plenty of business for all of London Airports. SEN could add another million or two and the other London Airports would not even notice.

Buster the Bear 26th Sep 2017 21:54

I understand that Gulfstream will be leaving Luton for Stansted. Who will take their hangar? Sadly they cannot find a location to build a larger complex at Luton.

LTNman 26th Sep 2017 23:56

The hangar back to Signature?

pabely 27th Sep 2017 13:33

Buster, we knew about this back in June, posted on Luton -8
They already have an operation at STN but I was told they are moving to a new complex at another site, south of the river.

Buster the Bear 27th Sep 2017 15:16

The assumption was the Luton operation would continue, but staff have very recently been told they will all be leaving at some point to Stansted having not found an agreeable site to expand into at Luton.

gilesdavies 28th Sep 2017 08:24

Ryanair Seasonal Flights from LTN?
 
I was hoping there might be someone on here with a good memory and previously remember what routes Ryanair was operating this winter from LTN...

Ryanair yesterday announced it was cutting a number of routes for the winter period at short notice, on top of the flights cancelled a few weeks ago.

While none in the announcement yesterday are saying Luton is effected. I've noticed Faro and Las Palmas are going to to end in October and restart next year in April.

Was this always the intention and has it previously shown up on there booking system as so?

I was under the impression both these routes were year round. Especially when you consider FAO and LPA are popular winter destinations.

I was just wondering if they had stealthily suspended the routes and will automatically transfer people on to these routes from STN. Because at the end of the day they still have the route operating in the sense of to/from London, all be it just from Stansted now.

1sky 28th Sep 2017 08:34


Originally Posted by gilesdavies (Post 9906536)
I was hoping there might be someone on here with a good memory and previously remember what routes Ryanair was operating this winter from LTN...

Ryanair yesterday announced it was cutting a number of routes for the winter period at short notice, on top of the flights cancelled a few weeks ago.

While none in the announcement yesterday are saying Luton is effected. I've noticed Faro and Las Palmas are going to to end in October and restart next year in April.

Was this always the intention and has it previously shown up on there booking system as so?

I was under the impression both these routes were year round. Especially when you consider FAO and LPA are popular winter destinations.

I was just wondering if they had stealthily suspended the routes and will automatically transfer people on to these routes from STN. Because at the end of the day they still have the route operating in the sense of to/from London, all be it just from Stansted now.

This is what Ryanair had announced. I don't know if Faro and Las Palmas were included.


London Luton:

15 routes including Fuertaventura (2 wkly), Lanzarote (2 wkly), Malta (4 wkly) & Tenerife (2 wkly)
72 weekly flights
1.6m customers p.a

robbie1973 28th Sep 2017 09:41


Originally Posted by gilesdavies (Post 9906536)
I was hoping there might be someone on here with a good memory and previously remember what routes Ryanair was operating this winter from LTN...

Ryanair yesterday announced it was cutting a number of routes for the winter period at short notice, on top of the flights cancelled a few weeks ago.

While none in the announcement yesterday are saying Luton is effected. I've noticed Faro and Las Palmas are going to to end in October and restart next year in April.

Was this always the intention and has it previously shown up on there booking system as so?

I was under the impression both these routes were year round. Especially when you consider FAO and LPA are popular winter destinations.

I was just wondering if they had stealthily suspended the routes and will automatically transfer people on to these routes from STN. Because at the end of the day they still have the route operating in the sense of to/from London, all be it just from Stansted now.

I looked at booking flights from LTN to LPA for December in late April and then they were not available beyond October so it's nothing new, just something that wasn't advertised by Ryanair.

Spanish eyes 28th Sep 2017 10:34

Seems like there was some sort of meeting yesterday with a committee that wants to keep the local park intact.

There was talk of a terminal 2 going in on the long term car park with a single pier. This came from the committee rather then the airport who apparently looked a little surprised that they knew something was afoot. Something like this was drawn up by the committee as to what might be going through the airports mind.

https://i.imgur.com/zM6RkYU.jpg?1

pabely 28th Sep 2017 12:09

We will await to hear from LTNman whether he attended?

I think most here always suspected that a T2 would be on the cards at some point.

LTNman 28th Sep 2017 12:46

Lets just say all that is lacking in the above interpretation is the wavy line for the DART link to T2. Can't think who drew the original.

pabely 28th Sep 2017 12:54


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 9906773)
Lets just say all that is lacking in the above interpretation is the wavy line for the DART link to T2.;) Can't think who drew the original.

Nuff Said!:oh:

LTNman 28th Sep 2017 13:40

Construction update
 
Hints of what is to come with the lattice work now in place over the future entrance to the security hall. The retail outlets will be the other side of the hoarding in the new build.

https://i.imgur.com/pQR9IxQ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/tTcfxMC.jpg

Work has started to finish off the front of the terminal. Note the cover that will block the view of the old terminal balcony. The ground in front of the terminal is now being raised with hardcore.

https://i.imgur.com/JQr5hCZ.jpg

https://i.imgur.com/3sMzXQM.jpg

The roundabout has been planted.

https://i.imgur.com/e8rgpKR.jpg

Work has started to tidy up the surplus building material dumping ground. This is set to become the car hire centre car park after the new multistory is built but in the meantime it will slightly add a few parking bays as half the short term car park is due to close after Christmas.

https://i.imgur.com/4utRCxc.jpg


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