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Mr @ Spotty M 22nd Oct 2014 04:33

The a/c is going to be 9M-XXM with substitute a/c 9M-XXC both RR powered. :ok:

JonnyH 22nd Oct 2014 08:59

If they're just getting one, which it looks like they are, it'll be interesting what contingency plans they'll have in place if it goes tech.

It'll be an expensive lease if all doesn't go as planned - shipping a full A330 load across 2/3 other aircrafts or leasing in another is not going to be cheap. I'm sure the company they're leasing off won't compensate a lot to them depending on the issues.

Don't mean to be so doom and gloom but surprised nobody has not mentioned this yet.

It could still be a good move for Jet2 though if it all goes smoothly - I imagine there'll be plenty of s for them and could change the structure of their business for future years.

Lord Spandex Masher 22nd Oct 2014 09:03


Originally Posted by JonnyH (Post 8708393)
Don't mean to be so doom and gloom but surprised nobody has not mentioned this yet.

They have mentioned it, just where it matters and not on pprune.

paully 22nd Oct 2014 09:36

Interesting move by Jet2 and I wish them well...Good company to travel with...I presume this will be a wet lease with a couple of Jet2 staff supernumary in the cabin, as it were??

Lord Spandex Masher 22nd Oct 2014 09:37

It'll be a damp lease.

N707ZS 22nd Oct 2014 10:20

There was mention of two in one grapevine message.

VC10man 22nd Oct 2014 10:46

I see the A330 is 8.6 years old and has only had 2 previous operators.

Are Jet2 starting to get newer planes?

DADDY-OH! 22nd Oct 2014 10:55

So if the introduction of the B787 Dreamliner hasn't reduced the prices of second hand B767's so why would anyone think that the introduction of the A350 will reduce the prices of second hand A330's??????

HOODED 22nd Oct 2014 12:03

I assume the 330 will be purely MAN based. Multiflights hangar at LBA can take up to 757s but any overnight work on a 330 would have to be done outside if they used it ex LBA.

Boris1 22nd Oct 2014 12:46

Strange move, but good luck to them. Hope it works out.

I see that the NCL EK enthusiasts are recommending they take Ex EK A330s? Haven't even got their hands on the one they are leasing, but yeah, makes perfect sense so snap up all of EKs.

This becoming a Slightly worrying obsession

HOODED 22nd Oct 2014 13:34

The EK ones are -200 whilst the leased Air Asia one is a -300. Depends if they want the capacity or the range really given the lease the capacity seems to be what they are looking for. I suspect the lease is a trial to see if the ac fits into the fleet.

EK77WNCL 22nd Oct 2014 15:34

Boris... Don't really think my username has anything to do with it to be honest, only reason I picked it was I wanted a change from my usual (name-initials-age)... I almost went for LS757NCL or G-LSAG but thought EK stood out more IMO.

Anyway the EK frames are along the lines of what they have purchased in the past and will be going cheap.

Ernest Lanc's 22nd Oct 2014 16:23



LS also has to integrate BLK's flying into the MAN operation for next
summer's forward bookings and hopefully it'll swell those ALC and other routes
for them. Having a people mover on the strength is a no-brainer and the A330-343
fits the bill nicely.
Yes MAN will gain PAX from Blackpool's closure. But the BLK based 737-300 jets will now be based at MAN.

Good load factors at BLK, but LS managed with two based 737/300.

Penworth 22nd Oct 2014 16:29

Jet2 have obviously identified a need for more capacity in certain routes during the summer. Given their cautious expansion over the past few years, they wouldn't switch from Boeing to Airbus and from narrow to wide body without a proper business case for doing so. I think a damp lease is very sensible, allowing Jet2's cabin crew to continue providing the Jet2 product while not having any flight deck or engineering responsibilities for a brand new type to the operation.

I would imagine having the ability to sub-lease it to others over the winter for long haul ops and/or to use it themselves for a slightly expanded winter long haul program (ie. the NYC trips or possibly Orlando) is part of the reason it's been decided to add it to the fleet. And if it doesn't work out for whatever reason, being leased, it can always be returned at the end of lease and the program can continue pretty much as it has in the past.

JonnyH 22nd Oct 2014 17:02


Anyway the EK frames are along the lines of what they have purchased in the past and will be going cheap.
Give a few examples of these similar "EK frames" that LS have purchased in the past as EK really only have widebodies..


They have mentioned it, just where it matters and not on PPRuNe.
So, Lord Spandex Masher, what did LS point out about what will happen if this single A330, they're leasing, is not as reliable as they expect? Your comment insinuates you know what they've discussed.. It's pretty obvious they would have discussed it but would be interesting to know what the contingency plan would be as they've got nothing in their fleet that's like-for-like unlike most other carriers and they're probably gonna find it quite difficult to get their hands on something similar, within a short period of time, if there was to be tech issues and it's not gonna be cheap sending out more than one relief aircraft to DLM/TFS etc. and it may not even be possible in the height of summer.

All ifs and buts, admittedly, but it wouldn't necessarily inspire you too much.

However, it's still brilliant to see that LS are testing the waters. It'll be an interesting summer for them.

Lord Spandex Masher 22nd Oct 2014 17:09

I'm not sure it's public knowledge yet so I'm not going to be specific.

They aren't getting their hands on something similar - would you lease another 330 just to sit around as a spare?

They will be able to cover a broken 330 at short notice.

jethro15 22nd Oct 2014 18:07

Anyone able to confirm a leased Titan A320 for GLA Sum 15?

SWBKCB 22nd Oct 2014 18:43

Being reported locally that EMA is to get an extra aircraft next summer?

JonnyH 22nd Oct 2014 18:45


I'm not sure it's public knowledge yet so I'm not going to be specific.

They aren't getting their hands on something similar - would you lease another 330 just to sit around as a spare?

They will be able to cover a broken 330 at short notice.
:ugh:

I'm aware they're not getting anything similar hence why my post was questioning their contingency plans if the only wide body they've got goes tech.. Nobody with an ounce of intelligence would expect them to be capable of having an A330 on standby.

I'll be very surprised if they'll be able to cover a full A330 at short notice in the height of summer especially with their ageing fleet. You clearly disagree and claim to have the "inside" info which is fair enough but there's no way it'll be that black and white - there's so many others factors that need to be considered. Nothing's ever guaranteed in aviation. Do care to enlighten us when you can though.

Lord Spandex Masher 22nd Oct 2014 19:45

No, I don't think I will.


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