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LNIDA 23rd Jun 2015 22:48

Added to which Norwegian have a net requirement of 350+ pilots for the 738 fleet in 2016 alone + retirements and people moving to the 787 plus 4 new 787-9 airframes next year.

New Uk base in BHX & either MAN/EDI with LGW becoming a major training base requiring TRI/TRE pay rates should jump in 2016/7 :ok::ok:

I can't see 70% contracts, half pay in training,no crew food, lack of staff travel being sustainable, if Ryanair have had to up their game on T&C's and they have, then Jet2 are deluding themselves if they think they have a USP in the employment market, they do of course, its called their HR department, time PM went in there and sacked the lot of them.

taxi_driver 23rd Jun 2015 22:57

Alot of management confuse 'Cost' and 'Value'.

Simple and modest improvements in terms and conditions should be viewed as an investment in a business of J2's size. It is now in the billion pound turnover area, seemingly with some growing up to do.

Few seem to be moaning about money (more is always welcome though), it's more about rostering issues, health care, staff travel and unpleasant employee relations.

Staff turnover fuels more staff turnover, as more leave rosters become more fragile, leading to more leaving. Some imagination and fresh thinking is required to break the cycle.

LNIDA 24th Jun 2015 06:50

In the UK the revolving door for 737 drivers is fairly limited to FR, DY/ & J2 the people who join J2 are in the main doing so to be closer to where they live, the same with the many Captains joining FR this year, DY/ have not recruited in 2015 and for now can only offer LGW and even that is very unlikely for new starters in either seat.

People leaving any of the above for BA is a + career move, anything else is shuffling the cards

chinapattern 24th Jun 2015 13:52


Originally Posted by LNIDA (Post 9022247)
New Uk base in BHX & either MAN/EDI with LGW becoming a major training base requiring TRI/TRE pay rates should jump in 2016/7 :ok::ok:.

Is the BHX base happening then?

GLAinsider 25th Jun 2015 09:56

I think LNIDA was talking about Norwegian.

Flying Wild 26th Jun 2015 01:24


Originally Posted by Jet2_320 (Post 9024207)
I think LNIDA was, Jet2 wouldn't have the serviceable aircraft and crew to do it.

The aircrafts are going AOG on a daily basis. The crews have been well and truly pissed off over the last few years with this summer reaching new lows with regards to rostering and roster disruption, as a result the 75 guys are now refusing to work days offs any longer. Would be surprised if the 73 guys won't follow suit very shortly. And the summer has only started...

Given that most of the 73 guys are bashing the 100 in 28 days, combined with only two days off between runs of duty, there's not much in the way of days off to be bought...

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 26th Jun 2015 06:56


The aircrafts are going AOG on a daily basis. The crews have been well and truly pissed off over the last few years with this summer reaching new lows with regards to rostering and roster disruption, as a result the 75 guys are now refusing to work days offs any longer. Would be surprised if the 73 guys won't follow suit very shortly. And the summer has only started...
Sounds like my line of work (emergency ambulance service). Flogged to the bone.

BTW - what is AOG?

HOODED 26th Jun 2015 07:10


Originally Posted by nonfrequentflyer_NCL (Post 9024838)
Sounds like my line of work (emergency ambulance service). Flogged to the bone.

BTW - what is AOG?

AOG= Aircraft on ground. Or if you prefer broken, not fit for flight. Ominous that this seems to occur more than usual when crews are working their socks off.....

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 26th Jun 2015 07:17

Hooded - thank you. :ok:

Yet again, sounds like us lads and our Ambulances, "Control - our ambo has developed a fault - need to take it off the road", after 4 days of 14 hour shifts and one break per shift........

Narrow Runway 26th Jun 2015 09:07

Really? You do shifts like that? Welcome to our world!!

Fortunately for us, rarely do we come across life threatening situations daily. Unlike an Ambulance team.

Keep up the good work. I mean it.

nonfrequentflyer_NCL 26th Jun 2015 13:11


Originally Posted by Narrow Runway (Post 9024956)
Really? You do shifts like that? Welcome to our world!!

Fortunately for us, rarely do we come across life threatening situations daily. Unlike an Ambulance team.

Keep up the good work. I mean it.

Hello Narrow Runway

Thanks for the kind comments and yes we do get days like that. People don't see/think we do but it happens.

Anyway back to planes

SCANDIC 26th Jun 2015 19:41

Are Jet2 not interested in getting any second hand 767's

itsnotwhoyouknow 26th Jun 2015 20:03

As is always the way with jet2. There is a cost implication. I.e. There is a cost to do it. Nothing works here unless it's for peanuts or free. The crews who do work are the peanut type. Cabin get no sales bonus now really. Flight getting sick of the rubbish. The 757 are short of crew so doubt they could fly further afield on a 767. As with ppjn they are onto bigger better things such as 707 ha ha.

mockingjay 27th Jun 2015 11:34

Not Jet2.com and Jet2Holidays' finest moment. Live on SKY News are survivors saying that the company have stated none of their customers were affected where this is not the case. They are saying they've had no support whatsoever.

Big Tudor 27th Jun 2015 12:53


Originally Posted by mockingjay (Post 9026234)
Live on SKY News are survivors saying that the company have stated none of their customers were affected where this is not the case.


We can confirm that we have no Jet2holidays customers staying in the affected hotels.
Same quote, different interpretations.

G-LSAB looks like it is heading towards Tunisia on a positioning flight number so not sure that is considered 'no support whatsoever'.

DjerbaDevil 27th Jun 2015 13:12

From the JET2 web site:


Latest Flight Information:

Tunisia Information

We will be bringing back those Jet2holidays and Jet2.com customers, who want to return home, today. Up to four aircraft will be arriving at Enfhida Airport this afternoon to repatriate those customers free of charge. Further details will be provided shortly.

We are offering customers departing on or before 24th July 2015 the option to cancel free or change their booking without amendment fees. We will be continuously reviewing our policy on this as more information becomes available.

We can confirm that we have no reports of injuries or fatalities among Jet2.com or Jet2holidays customers.

We would like to extend our sincere condolences to the families and friends of those affected by this appalling incident in Tunisia.

Our customers’ safety remains our number one priority and we are continuing to liaise closely with the relevant UK and local authorities.

- See more at: Status | Jet2.com

Jamie2k9 27th Jun 2015 13:44

Jet 320

All operators are only doing it for PR, TOM may be quick off the mark but its PR saving as well.

Notice all operators are only allowing you to cancel hoildays for a month, ie unless the Goverment issue a no travel alert, you are going as it will hit our profits otherwise to refund and relocate you.....

Im have not seen Sky News but I expect its a handful of people in the grand scheme of things. TOM have yet to send people to hospitals to visit injure as well. The people on the news have little to be moaning about, compared to many others who have lost family......just running their mouths off on camera.

No operator will come off overly well.

HH6702 27th Jun 2015 14:02

Well said Jamie

Trossie 27th Jun 2015 14:04


Hope passengers will remember next time they book a holiday how Thomson reacted and how Jet2 reacted. I know with who I'll book next!!
Just remind me how many Jet2 holidaymakers were staying in the affected hotels? Different circumstances require different actions. It would be wrong for any tour operator to be clogging up the system trying to rush their holidaymakers back when people who have been directly affected should be getting 'un clogged up' priority. It would seem reasonable that Thomson had to react very quickly as some of their holidaymakers were directly affected.

It might appear that 'Jet2_320' is one of these miserable 'chips on shoulders' people. How many tour companies would be happy to carry grumpy unreasonable gob-sh1ites like him, other than to take his money?

Big Tudor 27th Jun 2015 15:16


Originally Posted by Jet2_320 (Post 9026317)
Jet2 updating the website with regards to the horrible incident in Tunisia is just an immediate reaction to the very negative publicity at Sky News. To little to late.

Hope passengers will remember next time they book a holiday how Thomson reacted and how Jet2 reacted. I know with who I'll book next!!

Most of your comments regarding Jet2 have varied between plain wrong and distinctly puerile. Nice to see you're maintaining your own low standards. If you have an axe to grind with your employer then take it up with them rather than playing the keyboard warrior.


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