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AirportPlanner1 16th Aug 2017 11:50


Originally Posted by pamann (Post 9863607)
Facts?

You're the one suggesting non-existent double daily LTN ops. That kind sir is a pipe dream and possibly on your 'want list'. Fact is they're concentrating ops at LGW/STN as has already been mentioned. No need to start dreaming up routes and schedules.

No I'm not, I posed it as a reasonable question on the basis of the previous route application and not having seen the press release. If you read my second post you would also see LTN is not my preference for such a service. I now take it from your inability to comprehend basic text not once but twice you're either a troll or an idiot.

pamann 16th Aug 2017 12:06


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 9863613)
No I'm not, I posed it as a reasonable question on the basis of the previous route application and not having seen the press release. If you read my second post you would also see LTN is not my preference for such a service. I now take it from your inability to comprehend basic text not once but twice you're either a troll or an idiot.

Honestly! I am actually laughing.

Let's move on shall we.

southside bobby 16th Aug 2017 14:52

Nice to note the Titan Airways A318 now in service...has operated from & to STN on a v recent flight...

mik3bravo 16th Aug 2017 17:30

According to STN website car parking booking landing page there is zero availability of any parking at short, mid or long stay this weekend. Most meet & greet services in same situation with notable exception of extortionate prices for those utterly desparate to leave your car keys with valet staff. Nuts to think the car parks are rammed to full capacity this weekend.

inOban 16th Aug 2017 17:37

With the railway closed between Peterborough and Ely I suspect there not be trains from Cambridge, so there may be some who could have come by train who are forced into bringing their car?

wowzz 16th Aug 2017 22:24

Every time I read that STN pax numbers are up by x or y %, it gives me yet another reason to avoid using it. I know there are expansion plans, but the place is bursting at the seams already, apart from the shopping mall of course. Much better to have a chance to buy perfume than some seats.
The car park debacle is another symptom of unmanaged expansion. I will continue to drive another 2 hours to LGW in order to avoid STN.

mik3bravo 16th Aug 2017 23:10


Originally Posted by wowzz (Post 9864187)
Every time I read that STN pax numbers are up by x or y %, it gives me yet another reason to avoid using it. I know there are expansion plans, but the place is bursting at the seams already, apart from the shopping mall of course. Much better to have a chance to buy perfume than some seats.
The car park debacle is another symptom of unmanaged expansion. I will continue to drive another 2 hours to LGW in order to avoid STN.

Yep, I can't say I disagree with you. I rarely use STN but when I do I'm finding the whole passenger experience is sliding into the gutter.

Airport security queues are ridiculously long. Now more and more are choosing to buy fast track security but now even that is getting jammed up too.

Then that bloody zig zag Ikeaesque aisle excusion through duty free is littered with passengers attempting rat runs to the left and right through concessionaire display areas to avoid the passengers who insist on crawling through the duty free 5 persons abreast and blocking up the place.

Though good selection of restaurants and coffee / sandwich places before the next squeeze on the expedition hike to the gates, with escalators and travelators out of service.

The lack of short,mid, long stay capacity is the icing on the cake.

I'll be avoiding using STN for a few years until they deliver better passenger experience - can do without the hassle.

AirportPlanner1 17th Aug 2017 07:28

The current design flaw with departures is that when you exit security the layout and presence of the massive departure screen mostly saying 'wait in lounge' gives the impression that IS the lounge. And indeed you do see people in that tiny area just waiting around. It's not immediately clear you're supposed to move on.

mik3bravo 17th Aug 2017 08:55


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 9864430)
The current design flaw with departures is that when you exit security the layout and presence of the massive departure screen mostly saying 'wait in lounge' gives the impression that IS the lounge. And indeed you do see people in that tiny area just waiting around. It's not immediately clear you're supposed to move on.

Yes, I noticed that. Just where the toilets are to the left and the duty free dead ahead, the big departures display screen above has hundreds stopping to hang around in that immediate area blocking up the corridor behind coming from security. The place just doesn't flow at all. It's jammed up all over the airport.

carousel 17th Aug 2017 18:59

Not now
 
The screens you are referring to have been changed to generic " Welcome to Stansted have a happy day and spend lots of money " for several weeks now, for the very reasons mentioned. In addition they want to put another WHS in at that spot.

edi_local 17th Aug 2017 19:34


Originally Posted by carousel (Post 9865037)
The screens you are referring to have been changed to generic " Welcome to Stansted have a happy day and spend lots of money " for several weeks now, for the very reasons mentioned. In addition they want to put another WHS in at that spot.

Where on earth will they put it? Although I am not surprised that WHS get yet another airport spot. They seem to be the default UK airport fall back. Can't find anyone else silly enough to pay rent space in the terminal? Well WHS will sort that out!

I was through STN about 6 weeks ago. I experienced the exact same problems noted by others. That area before the duty free store is a bottleneck and one they seem to have made intentionally for reasons unknown. Surely they want to encourage people to get out and about the terminal, at least to the main holding pen area. Why did they even think it was good commercial sense to put a screen there when they know that people in airports immediately lose all intelligent thought and will just stand and gawk at a giant screen awaiting further instructions? That screen has probably lost them millions in missed sales when people wander away and realise, perhaps too late, they have missed out on a huge shopping mall!

NWSRG 17th Aug 2017 20:24

I used STN for the first time in many years just a couple of weeks ago. It is now truly awful...what used to be a spacious and airy terminal has been transformed into a hot and overcrowded shopping centre. I know that's the way airports in general are going, but it has been totally overdone at STN. And it feels like you're following a never ending "yellow brick road". I was relieved to get out of the main terminal and into the satellite for some peace and space.

It has really put me off using STN again...

canberra97 18th Aug 2017 11:43

That's exactly what I said to my partner the last time I used Stansted referring in the same way as you had as in being like 'the never ending yellow brick road'!

LAX_LHR 23rd Aug 2017 11:29

Not sure if it's known about, but Wow air starting daily flights from 25th April.

mwm991 23rd Aug 2017 11:50


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 9870446)
Not sure if it's known about, but Wow air starting daily flights from 25th April.

They've added some real left field US destinations too. Cincinnati, Cleveland and St. Louis.

southside bobby 23rd Aug 2017 13:06

Yes more good news with Wow commencing daily ops to Reykjavik next April as stated above..Hopefully should be able to pull many connecting pax to their expanding list of US destinations from the large STN catchment & North & East London...Might entail using a A330 ultimately.........With more positive news Jet2 announce creation of a further 170 jobs for STN in 2018...

AirportPlanner1 23rd Aug 2017 13:26


Originally Posted by mwm991 (Post 9870471)
They've added some real left field US destinations too. Cincinnati, Cleveland and St. Louis.

I would suggest these flights will be of greater interest to Americans visiting here than Brits going over there, although NYC and Toronto will make things interesting with Primera. They are late arrivals and departures into the Us/Canada and form a new bank of flights out of Keflavik.

I actually thought it was only a matter of time before WOW or Icelandair turned up at STN, and I suspected something might be going on this morning when the airport tweeted about the USA. It's also pretty good having daily flights to Iceland again and the prices seem competitive, although once again EZY are being squeezed.

southside bobby 23rd Aug 2017 13:51

Yes....as suggested only a matter of time before one or the other arrived...in fact of course it is Wow`s second coming as previously they were operating to STN virtually at their formation & then departed to LGW...this time it is far more interesting with the US connections & availability & this I would suggest is the potentially bigger interest than a daily to KEF for London....Icelandair were rumoured some time back to be commencing STN but that too arrived @ LGW in the end...now it perhaps is North & East London`s time.....BTW ICE Cargo operating a B75F several days a week to KEF from STN but of course that doesn't count in this discussion..

AirportPlanner1 23rd Aug 2017 15:45

I don't think WOW have ever flown to STN but stand to be corrected. Iceland Express flew from STN for years before joining the exodus to LGW at the end of the decade. They did return briefly for a short season with a couple of flights a week at poor times that unsurprisingly weren't well supported. Officially WOW bought Iceland Express, but the relationship was a bit murky and in reality they just superseded their predecessor with a very similar route network.

pabely 23rd Aug 2017 16:10


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 9870715)
I don't think WOW have ever flown to STN but stand to be corrected. Iceland Express flew from STN for years before joining the exodus to LGW at the end of the decade. They did return briefly for a short season with a couple of flights a week at poor times that unsurprisingly weren't well supported. Officially WOW bought Iceland Express, but the relationship was a bit murky and in reality they just superseded their predecessor with a very similar route network.

If they can get more slots at LGW, don't be surprised if this disappears down south of the Thames as well.


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