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southside bobby 9th Sep 2017 11:46

Noticed today the BAW/BACF STN service to & from IBZ is dual coded with IBE...

LAX_LHR 9th Sep 2017 12:33

Southside bobby.

You mention it's an equal family member but was it not you who recently tried to ram down our throats about how STN would soon eclipse MAN for pax numbers. Again, only equal when it suits you.

Also Its not negative re:Scoot, it's reporting on what's already known. New manager or not, STN hasn't been mentioned at all

daz211 9th Sep 2017 13:23


Originally Posted by LAX_LHR (Post 9886866)
Southside bobby.

You mention it's an equal family member but was it not you who recently tried to ram down our throats about how STN would soon eclipse MAN for pax numbers. Again, only equal when it suits you.

Also Its not negative re:Scoot, it's reporting on what's already known. New manager or not, STN hasn't been mentioned at all

You say STN hasn't been mentioned but what I think you ment was you haven't heard STN mentioned I have a very reliable contact that assures me STN has been mentioned and behind the scenes there is a lot going on to bring scoot to STN I'm not saying it will happen I'm saying negotiating are ongoing involving MAG and Scoot regarding MAN and STN only time will tell and I'm told we will know before November

LAX_LHR 9th Sep 2017 13:28

Yes I did say STN hasn't been mentioned, because it hasn't. There is not one single article that mentions a possible London route, never mind Stansted.

Rumours happen all the time and you may have a good source, but I am talking purely publicly at the moment, and what we have seen is a quote that said 'London isn't under consideration as we don't want to dilute our SQ product'.

I just think a large market like London, if Scoot was under consideration, don't you think they would want to advertise that?

I too am not saying Scoot will never happen from STN, but as of this time, we have seen nothing public to suggest it's imminent and that's the only point I'm interested in for the sake of this argument.

BHX5DME 9th Sep 2017 14:24

I have been told Scoot have no plans to serve any airport that Singapore fly too - which makes sense and dismisses Manchester.
Stansted makes sense as it is well away from the Singapore operation at Heathrow.
So it looks like MAG are talking to Scoot as you would expect them to be.
BHX makes more sense still

LAX_LHR 9th Sep 2017 14:33

Well, if scoot has no plans to serve Manchester, we better tell their Indian area manager, as he certainly seems to think they are looking to serve Manchester, and Copenhagen for that matter too. Or are people just choosing to ignore the now 20+ articles stating specifically Manchester? I'd rather believe one of the managers from scoot than an unknown and completely unverifiable source.

In fact, scoot might need to pull a lot of their destinations if they are not to serve any SQ airport........

SWBKCB 9th Sep 2017 14:54

My understanding is that Scoot are aiming to exploit fifth freedom rights out of India, and that this is the main market. So, routing Singapore-India for that market, and then India-Europe as a different market.

In this scenario, the competing against SQ argument falls away. More like competition for the ME3.

southside bobby 9th Sep 2017 17:21

LAX LHR...Whilst you are correct quoting the public facts it does appear you are choosing to ignore & to give any credence or thought to other`s input...Scoot may not appear at STN but you should take from the posts that STN will be in the mix when MAG is talking with any airline..This is a rumour mill as well & perhaps you are not aware of negotiation & even the non information within those negotiations...only @ the v top is anybody within Scoot really aware...I know you like to see the appearances & quote only from the GDS system,so we can will leave you to that..
Although......SWBKCB in his first paragraph at least is nearer the portrayal of the intended market & perhaps in his second paragraph but not his intended point stating competition with/for the ME3 so perhaps that would also serve to steer a new entrant away from an ME3 saturated airport...just a thought..
The position swap between MAN & STN which you rightly know is CEO not "manager"...

LAX_LHR 9th Sep 2017 17:58

Southside,

Have you actually read my posts or have you just gone into 'someone has said something ever so slightly negative so full on defence mode required'?

Reason I say that is that I haven't ignored anything, how can I ignore something I have replied to? Secondly, yes, I have quoted public fact, how there can be an issue with that is beyond me but there we go. I may not be giving credence to the rumours yet because thus far, we have seen public quotes against a STN flight (facts) versus rumours (no verification). Yes, scoot may well be talking to STN, but that means nothing until the airline says something about the airport. MIAT Mongolian met Manchester Airport last year, doesn't mean I think there is a route to Ulaan Bator in the making and willing to strike anyone down who dares not to believe me, does it!

Also, I'll say again, I have not said that Scoot will never come to STN, I wouldn't say that about any airline and any airport, you can never say never in this industry. All I have said is that Scoot hasn't been mentioned in any article (factually correct) and while there may be some leeway in it, Scoot cannot serve London-India (factually correct).

If you cannot handle factual information then that's not my issue, so I'll leave it there.

SWBKCB 9th Sep 2017 18:27


SWBKCB in his first paragraph at least is nearer the portrayal of the intended market & perhaps in his second paragraph but not his intended point stating competition with/for the ME3 so perhaps that would also serve to steer a new entrant away from an ME3 saturated airport...just a thought..
The presence of competitors shows there's a market, and Scoot would be offering direct flights between UK-India, as opposed to the ME3.

FRatSTN 9th Sep 2017 19:43

Lets not get our knickers in a twist shall we?

In my experience at least, the ink is often dry on a lot of commercial deals long before they are made public, so I would hardly agree that only what goes in the press can be described as fact. Companies believe it or not don't tend to share that kind of information before it goes public.

Equally, so called contacts spreading gossip to outsiders about any kind of development behind the scenes would no doubt be in severe breach of contract. Quite frankly my credibility would be far more important to me.

It's good to see a bit more discussion on the STN thread finally, but let's try to stay civilised.

rog747 10th Sep 2017 07:14

i had to look twice at the post above about SQ/TZ looking at new routes from STN

TZ, many may recall, was the code used by ATA Airlines, aka American Trans Air, the Indianapolis-based carrier that went under in 2008.

southside bobby 10th Sep 2017 08:18

Okey Dokes rog747....perfectly correct ATA landed @ STN too more than once & many remember them & yup TZ was their prefix when in business..For my bad I copied a certain other poster as much to highlight my reply...Scoot is of course TR..c/s "scooter"...
Not detracting but you are aware too of course prefix`s are re-used,a case in point causing a bit of comment is coincidently Wow Air who have on some flights in Scandinavia being using WW which of course at one time belonged to BMI....

compton3bravo 10th Sep 2017 08:51

Could you repeat that again southside bobby in understandable English please. Ampersands are never used except for company names, also @ is never used in a sentence.As someone who was connected with the media for over forty years I find the standard of written English nowadays to be appalling.

Planespeaking 10th Sep 2017 09:09


Originally Posted by compton3bravo (Post 9887508)
Could you repeat that again southside bobby in understandable English please. Ampersands are never used except for company names, also @ is never used in a sentence.As someone who was connected with the media for over forty years I find the standard of written English nowadays to be appalling.

I have already posted on another thread about southside bobby's incomprehensible English. No doubt he has points to make but regrettably I can't be bothered to try and decipher his sentence construction.

pamann 10th Sep 2017 09:27


Originally Posted by Planespeaking (Post 9887528)
I have already posted on another thread about southside bobby's incomprehensible English. No doubt he has points to make but regrettably I can't be bothered to try and decipher his sentence construction.

Seriously guys!

This website and forum gets worse and worse by the day with constant nitpicking and bitching. Not everyone speaks the Queen's English nor do they type it. However I can understand Southside's posts, it really isn't that difficult it is clearly just Southside's style. It's as bad as poking fun at someone because they are different. No one posting here is employed by Pprune to police these forums as the 'Grammar Police'. So please just give it a rest and wind your necks in.

I used to really enjoy reading the facts and mostly rumours on this site but I pretty much give it a wide berth these days because some of you regulars who post here are like a bunch of precious old women.

rog747 10th Sep 2017 11:42


Originally Posted by southside bobby (Post 9887479)
Okey Dokes rog747....perfectly correct ATA landed @ STN too more than once & many remember them & yup TZ was their prefix when in business..For my bad I copied a certain other poster as much to highlight my reply...Scoot is of course TR..c/s "scooter"...
Not detracting but you are aware too of course prefix`s are re-used,a case in point causing a bit of comment is coincidently Wow Air who have on some flights in Scandinavia being using WW which of course at one time belonged to BMI....

thanks yes and prefix WW was Bmi Baby

BD was BMA/BMI mainline scheds and the charters from 1964 until closure/merge with BA

BD has now gone to some little airline in south Asia or Pacific i think


Scoot is now TZ it seems

southside bobby 10th Sep 2017 12:23

roq747....yes right of course WW ="be my baby"....thanks for your correction..
Must admit contradictory info out there but another source does indeed state TZ for Scoot & it would not be like the original replier to the thread to make an error with prefixes..
Anyways I hope they still have their c/sign as "scooter" cos it`s clever & well bad!!..oooops = good...:))

LAX_LHR 10th Sep 2017 12:37

It seems Scoot is now being sold as tiger air so now has changed over to the TR call sign, has only been a recent change so still some confusion.

SWBKCB 10th Sep 2017 12:42

Scoot and Tigerair Merger


On 25 July 2017, the integration will be finalised and Scoot and Tigerair will merge to operate under a single brand, Scoot. With the merger, Tigerair will operate under the Scoot brand, however the Scoot designator code (TZ) will be re-designated as TR.


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