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southside bobby 7th Sep 2017 16:19

Mr Ramp Rat...Whoa steady on chap....Yes you may be stating the b****ing obvious but just suggest it eh without the backbite ending comment....Trading facts about/between inanimate businesses is one thing but there is no need to be quite so personal..My last post was partly tongue in cheek (context) but actually factual,as is the previous poster`s observation..I think I have always attempted factual & positive posts on this thread... thanking you...

pabely 8th Sep 2017 11:48

I was only responding to the fact that the WOW DFW announcement seemed not to be directly related to STN or LGW, nothing in their press release says that, it says connections from Europe.
If every new connection by WOW from Iceland deems this be be news, fair enough I will keep quiet once more US destinations are added.
I was also asked how long to get for DFW to LTN, I responded to my home, I answered that as well. In fact returning via LGW using WOW saves 6 hours vs STN as well so can be back in office by lunchtime where via STN I am unproductive all day. If I was going to DFW on business then my employer would want the maximum benefit from me being there which relates to direct flights if possible.
If I was going on pleasure I would want to spend as much time there and not in a transit airport, or doing a quick tourist trip in between, my leisure time is precious but I'm not a 18-30 or wanting to do Europe in 5 days! :)

southside bobby 8th Sep 2017 12:39

Pabely....Yer but yer but....I think it just depends which press release/announcement one reads...Travel Mole a well respected UK travel news consolidator amongst others carried the news in a v similar fashion,featuring obviously the news as applicable & viewed from the UK or the London market,accepted in a press release WOW are not going to run thru every & all multiple connections from their soon to be comprehensive network,I posted in relation to STN particularly cos it is fairly important to STN particularly,accept?..I will continue to post further news of connections from STN which may become available...so look away now...If you point out the time diff on return perhaps a flexible ticket may become available...Eventual re-banking out of KEF may help & AM STN slots also would...I`m sure London will be marketed in Dallas as available & a connection...I think you miss too the demographic perhaps of the model & market..but as you say perhaps not for you..the opportunities are a changing tho...

AirportPlanner1 8th Sep 2017 12:52

Pabely, you might want to get to your destination as quickly as possible but there are many including the relatively well off that are happy to take a long transfer as it gives the chance to see someone new and somewhere you may not otherwise be bothered about travelling to specifically. For us Brits and other Europeans probably the best examples are Doha, Dubai and Abu Dhabi, eg Qatar lay on specific coach trips defending on how many hours you're there.

I agree that for us Brits a long stop in Iceland may be a bit of a nuisance, as it's not that far and we're able to travel there pretty easily. But put yourself in the shoes of Mr and Mrs American coming over for a two week tour of Europe. The chance to see a bit of Iceland is quite exciting.

LTNman 8th Sep 2017 15:18


Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 (Post 9884956)
That kind of stopover is very attractive for Americans in particular heading over to Europe.

When they are just 9 hour direct flights? yeah right:confused:


daz211 wrote

Feel free to contribute with and positive comments but please do me a favour and stop with all the negativity, we all know you wouldn't be saying all this if the flights had been announced from Luton.
Really surprised at all the negativity towards pabely when he is just stating a fact. Maybe it is just an inconvenient fact that should not pass the thread censors.:oh:

southside bobby wrote

Come to think about it I`m struggling to remember the last major positive route development/ announcement from LTN....
Yes good news indeed as the place is full:ok:

AirportPlanner1 wrote


But put yourself in the shoes of Mr and Mrs American coming over for a two week tour of Europe. The chance to see a bit of Iceland is quite exciting.
Yes 45 minutes to get through the airport after a sleepless 8 hour night flight plus a different time zone so they will think it is the middle of the night. 2 hours to check back in and then add transport into and out of town. I can just see those Americans flocking to spend a few hours sightseeing fresh faced an bushy tailed. :8 Oh and I would make the same comment if I read the same nonsense on the LTN thread BUT saying that they could stay overnight I guess if the conditions of the cheap ticket allowed a longer stay.

Wow are not the only airline to offer indirect flight.

Indirect London Dallas flights via Aer Lingus and American 597 return, West Jet 613 return, British Airways and American 693 return plus others. No doubt Wow will attract some passengers but there are other options so don't expect to see many 10 gallon hats and cowboy boots.

daz211 8th Sep 2017 17:53

[QUOTE=LTNman;9886084]When they are just 9 hour direct flights? yeah right:confused:


daz211 wrote


Really surprised at all the negativity towards pabely when he is just stating a fact. Maybe it is just an inconvenient fact that should not pass the thread censors.:oh:

southside bobby wrote


Yes good news indeed as the place is full:ok:

AirportPlanner1 wrote



i guess there is not many directions the conversation can go when he jumps in to the thread after another airline announced a new routes from STN and his comment is something along the lines of don't hold your breath they will move to Gatwick as soon as slots are available.
My point is valid he would not be putting the new routes / connections down it the airline had chosen Luton

That's the end of it from me not getting any further into Stansted v Luton :rolleyes:

LTNman 8th Sep 2017 18:05

Who has mentioned Gatwick? If there was any consolidation I would think Stansted could be a winner as there are no other options for anyone who wanted to fly from Stansted.

Plenty of business for both LTN and STN to keep everyone happy. Not sure why there is an obsession here about that little airport in the Bedfordshire badlands or with anyone who normally posts there.

southside bobby 8th Sep 2017 18:07

LTNman......You too fail with the model possibly cos your own demographic does not fit either..Wow & Primera have only one reason for landing in these American cities & that is the transferring pax.They together with Icelandair are all making use of the country`s geographic position to pull a large number of pax from all over Europe into the KEF hub & then onward,in a smaller version of the ME3 going East thru the desert..This is the modus being put together, they will gain even more traction as further destinations are added..So perhaps not vast amounts of cowboy boots @ STN to start,STN being just one spoke in the wheel,but there is much potential..You seem to not consider the advertising the other side of the pond...Your dismissals are somewhat reflective of heads of the legacy carriers when confronted with innovations(& they should have known better)...such as the ME3 & the LCC`s & more contemporary developments such as Norwegian....BTW I noticed ads from Norwegian on TV for the first time two nights ago,so perhaps they view the planned developments somewhat differently to you too & feel they have to advertise into the same potential markets now.You should not be too self satisfied with your hard wired status quo....AirportPlanner1 has a fair point too regarding transits thru DXB/DOH &c if pax care to take advantage,if you are not aware ask pax or even ask the airlines....Anyways interesting times...

LTNman 8th Sep 2017 18:42

Fair enough. You make good points which has torn apart my argument which I respect.:ok:

southside bobby 8th Sep 2017 19:10

Fair go LTNman....Certainly a fascinating industry sometimes predictable but more often perhaps err not...generally tho interesting times all round..:))

AirportPlanner1 8th Sep 2017 20:29


Originally Posted by LTNman (Post 9886277)
Fair enough. You make good points which has torn apart my argument which I respect.:ok:

To come back also on the points about my previous post, you say people wouldn't choose this option because there are already 8 hour direct flights but then you sort of ruin your own argument by pointing out the fares for indirect options which are towards the top end of what WOW would ask for. Apart from the likes of NYC, Vegas, Orlando and LA, non stop fares to other US cities are often ridiculously expensive.

India/Sri Lanka are a similar journey time from here, yet many transfer through the Middle East or Turkey.

On transferring at KEF, you're times are quite wide of the mark. I've never had an issue getting through immigration quickly, and you shouldn't need to check in again. The Blue Lagoon is in close proximity to the airport, hence why the trips are run.

daz211 8th Sep 2017 21:10

I'm hearing chatter that flyscoot are to make a decision on routes from Stansted or Manchester in the coming months the strange thing is the routes are to India or via India not sure if this has been mentioned but thought I would share.

southside bobby 9th Sep 2017 08:59

Yes thanks for sharing...Scoot have mentioned MAN themselves this week,it is good to hear STN mentioned @ least in the chat,tho with the same owners MAN/STN not a total surprise I guess.Positively for STN tho the new CEO takes up position this month,he is accredited with much route development expertise with MAG /MAN hence the switch with CEO`s to build it @ STN..It appears Scoot are aiming to tap the Indian sub-continent lower cost market to Europe & the UK before Indian based airlines such as SpiceJet who have indicated the same (LGW) interest,tho at present not having the equipment..Scoot will fly via the sub-continent too as they obviously have no wish to dilute owner`s SIA own traffic into the main hubs which may inc therefore MAN...Another interesting development...

LAX_LHR 9th Sep 2017 09:31

I'm not sure where you have heard that chatter as London is not included in the India 5th freedoms so unlikely to allow Scoot to fly SIN-India-STN. Current 5th freedom bilaterals specifically state London and the US is not included.

Obviously nothing stopping Scoot starting SIN-STN as a stand alone route, but SQ have also mentioned they don't want to dilute their London yields.

It's worth pointing out that the SQ51/52 serves 3 different purposes, SIN-IAH-SIN, SIN-MAN-SIN and MAN-IAH-MAN so should stand up on those 3.

The new Scoot routes are primarily aimed at India-Europe and Singapore India, so, won't be competing directly with the SQ51/52 in the traditional sense.

Logohu 9th Sep 2017 09:50


but SQ have also mentioned they don't want to dilute their London yields.
Those yields could come under pressure anyway from Norwegian on LGW-SIN. Whether SQ's response is as simple as offering some heavily discounted fares in the back of their LHR A380s, or a limited Scoot operation from one of the other London airports, remains to be seen.

STN Ramp Rat 9th Sep 2017 09:50

am I right to think that for the sake of bilaterals Stansted was declared not to be part of London some time ago. I might be completely wrong on that or it might have been a specific bilateral like the UK-US one.

LAX_LHR 9th Sep 2017 09:52


Originally Posted by Logohu (Post 9886740)
Those yields could come under pressure anyway from Norwegian on LGW-SIN. Whether SQ's response is as simple as offering some heavily discounted fares in the back of their LHR A380s, or a limited Scoot operation from one of the other London airports, remains to be seen.

Indeed, Norwegian could be an issue but just reporting what was said.

Norwegian being incentive chasers, remains to be seen if Singapore has longevity, but it's also a market that sees a lot of competition and remains a strong route to this day, so, should be ok.

LAX_LHR 9th Sep 2017 09:54


Originally Posted by STN Ramp Rat (Post 9886741)
am I right to think that for the sake of bilaterals Stansted was declared not to be part of London some time ago. I might be completely wrong on that or it might have been a specific bilateral like the UK-US one.

So we have an airport that picks and chooses if it is part of London or not to suit its own gains. Superb.

Still doesn't alter the fact SQ/TZ have said they don't want to introduce London and that London hasn't been mentioned as a possible route in ANY article.

southside bobby 9th Sep 2017 10:38

Keep the faith LAX LHR....:))

southside bobby 9th Sep 2017 11:43

LAX LHR.. the airport does not "choose if it is part of London to suit it`s own gains" as you put it...HM Govt is the regulator but now in a heavily competitive London arena Government was signalling/drafting it was at the least considering extending the UK`s existing regional fifth freedom policy to LGW/STN & LTN ...whether this is in effect or it requires a submission/request/lobbying from an airline is not clear...Anyways with the `B` word coming into effect too I`m sure HM Govt would view all such submissions v liberally....
"SQ/TZ have not mentioned London"...but as I pointed out a new CEO in place @ STN will enhance all marketing prospects...& I did not have the impression the original poster was reading "articles"...Still time is gonna tell,but please do not be so negative about an equal family member..:))


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