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davidjohnson6 12th Feb 2016 22:26

LTNman - don't feel the need to apologise, I think your comment abput FR at STN is pretty fair. Yes most airports have a dominant carrier but when the airport acts as a true hub for the airline, the airline is limited in its recourse if unhappy. Pan-Europe LCCs don't have hubs so have much greater capacity to move aircraft as they wish. I can't think of many large airports in Europe where just one LCC (rather than network airline) has such a high proportion of an airport's traffic.

In a few years time London airport slots will become scarce but right now I think FR have the upper hand over MAG at STN

pamann 12th Feb 2016 23:02

But it obviously works for both sides, so why does it matter so much to some of you folk on here. It's a point some of you seem to bring up time and time again over the years. :rolleyes: :ugh:

Ryanair supply significant customer throughput at Stansted, MAG are making profit and Ryanair offer a whole plethora of routes. The biggest selection of European destinations of any UK airport in fact. So whilst it may deter some operators to offer flights on the same route, the customer can still get from point A to point B, usually at a good price with Ryanair and now with decent service levels. As I'm sure you're aware, some Ryanair routes do indeed sustain 2 or more operators and have done for years. So why do some of you still have an issue with this? Let's leave it to the real experts to run their airlines and airports and stick to reporting airlines and route announcements, like the forum suggests. :ok:

Anyhow, tired of all the above now. :zzz:

On the positive side of things at Stansted, Thomas Cook have increased not just their long haul operation, but it does appear that 3 aircraft will be required to operate the peak summer season flying programme. This is a vast increase in size from just a few years ago when they operated a single A320 at the airport.

Long haul leisure traffic is on the increase as mentioned this year, with MT offering up to 10 departures a week to MCO during the school holidays. This would have been unheard of only a couple of years ago.

Thomson seem to be selling well on their Cancun programme as the route is now going year round, a coup that many UK airports would be happy to have achieved. :ok:

Itchin McCrevis 13th Feb 2016 13:14


why does it matter so much to some of you folk on here. It's a point some of you seem to bring up time and time again over the years
I doesn't matter, but it is the obvious counter arguement to the "blind faith evangelists" (who lurk on every airport thread not just this one) that seem to believe their chosen airport has no weaknesses. Some of us believe these forums are for an exchange of views not just for promotion of new services, and that through discussion and debate we learn from each other (iron sharpens iron etc).

Anyway as an observer of the entire London system I do believe that if we reach 2020 without hitting another recession then Stansted will be at or fast approaching 35m, with Ryanair still the heavily dominant carrier.

pamann 13th Feb 2016 13:38

As this has all been discussed so many times in the past and is resembling a broken record, may I suggest we finally move on please.

Seljuk22 13th Feb 2016 13:57


Another new route, can't see it mentioned in previous posts

RYANAIR

HAM - STN - x2 daily.
Beside this there will be a new daily flights to TSR & TLS and NUE will be increased from daily to double daily.

Pain in the R's 13th Feb 2016 15:17

Just an observation from an uninterested observer about Ryanair and how the very word seems to upset a few here. So we have two threads called Stansted 2 and Luton 8. Strip out the R word from the posts here and this thread would still be called Stansted 1.

pamann 13th Feb 2016 15:46

Yawn :zzz:

daz211 13th Feb 2016 16:20

Really, your going there after all that's been said in the last few posts.
Doing yourself no favours ... Move along.... Next please.

FRatSTN 13th Feb 2016 17:05

Pain in the R's

Maybe, but Im guessing the other 7 of those probably consist of nothing but fantacy airline wish lists, direct rail links and a catchment area so huge you just can't ignore! Just saying. Yawn!

daz211 13th Feb 2016 17:11

FRatSTN
 
You almost got it right !
You just left out endless pics every time someone lays some Tarmac or taps a nail in the wall.

BUT CAN WE ALL PLEASE JUST MOVE ON BEFORE THE MODS JUMP IN :oh:

Nyerp 13th Feb 2016 21:28

Has anyone got some actual news or are we to continue bickering like kids in the school playground. Some may find picture updates informative and interesting. I would say it comes under the airports, routes and airlines, same as ba offering weekend flights, again interesting and informative.

If we don't like picture updates don't go on the thread, if we don't want to know or debate fr or Stn don't go on the thread. Seems simple

ayroplain 19th Feb 2016 21:09

I'm not surprised that this incident occurred:

Female plane passenger stuns onlookers by 'taking off skirt after becoming frustrated with long security delays' - Telegraph

District Judge John Woollard ....He said: "I have to take into account the stress you were in which led to your behaviour and the fact you were surrounded by thousands of other people also stressed."

Stansted is by far the worst of the London airports for Security. They seem to be determined to upset people and there appears to be no will to make things better. The number of unused channels while queues barely move is exasperating. I went through a few weeks ago and joined one of the long queues. There were two channels for this queue but one of them closed a minute or so later. The other one ground to a halt. There was no forward movement at all for the next 20 minutes with a cluster of staff standing around on the exit side doing absolutely nothing. Finally, a second channel was opened but with a large backlog to clear. I certainly will not be travelling through STN this Summer. I value my sanity.

jdcg 19th Feb 2016 23:11


Originally Posted by ayroplain (Post 9275578)
I'm not surprised that this incident occurred:

Female plane passenger stuns onlookers by 'taking off skirt after becoming frustrated with long security delays' - Telegraph

District Judge John Woollard ....He said: "I have to take into account the stress you were in which led to your behaviour and the fact you were surrounded by thousands of other people also stressed."

Stansted is by far the worst of the London airports for Security. They seem to be determined to upset people and there appears to be no will to make things better. The number of unused channels while queues barely move is exasperating. I went through a few weeks ago and joined one of the long queues. There were two channels for this queue but one of them closed a minute or so later. The other one ground to a halt. There was no forward movement at all for the next 20 minutes with a cluster of staff standing around on the exit side doing absolutely nothing. Finally, a second channel was opened but with a large backlog to clear. I certainly will not be travelling through STN this Summer. I value my sanity.

Couldn't agree with this more. STN has been my local airport for 20 years and I now think twice about using it. Crazy!
I've just had the pleasure of using T2 at LHR. The qualitative difference is incredible

LTNman 20th Feb 2016 04:43

Stansted is a strange case. It has in my eyes the perfect infrastructure that is well laid out on a massive plot of land. I don't think even starting from scratch again now much would be changed as it is that good yet passengers seem to hate the place voting it joint bottom with Luton which is running at over capacity until next year.

Stansted has spent millions upgrading its shopping facilities which brings in the cash but then stops many passengers from using them airside by making them queue for too long so they run out of retail time.

Stansted will know exactly how long it takes passengers to pass through security at different times in the day but they seem reluctant to put in the staff to fix the problem.

Itchin McCrevis 20th Feb 2016 13:52

Stansted indeed has superb infrastructure, especially airside, it was build in an age and by an organisation where there was little incentive to skimp on investment.

Given that MAGs finance costs are pretty set they are left with three other routes to achieve their forecast return on investment - traffic revenue, commerical revenue and operating costs. If the Ryanair growth is delivering little or no additional traffic revenue (as is generally believed in the airline world and also suggested in the annual accounts) and they have already done as much as they can to boost retail income then this leaves the cost base as their final recourse - if cost budgets are under pressure then that would explain the obvious lack of resource, and I would wager there are a few very stressed line managers in the organistion right now who deserve every sympathy.

LTNman 20th Feb 2016 14:25

MAG's finances are just fine at Stansted as is a myth that they are suffering with low income from Ryanair after paying a high price for the airport

Revenue for Stansted 2015 271.7 million, 2014 245.1 million up 10.9%
EBITDA for Stansted 2015 114.5 million, 2014 88.9 million up 28.8%
NOTE: EBITDA is defined as earnings before interest, taxation, depreciation and significant items.

Passenger income and operating costs per passenger 2015
Aviation 7.10 Commercial 5.30 against operating costs of 10.20.

Manchester by comparison is
Aviation 9.00 Commercial 7.50 against operating costs of 13.10

whitelighter 20th Feb 2016 15:51

Forgive me if this is wrong, but I think the arrival refers to an arriving passenger waiting to go through border control. I have rarely seen departure security queues worse than Heathrow or Gatwick at stansted since about 2006.

The border control is staffed by GM Gov border force not MAG. It's true there are often lanes not open and not all automatic scanners working.

Is it mag who say how many border force agents there should be there or are they just told this is what you get?

Shed-on-a-Pole 20th Feb 2016 16:26


MAG's finances are just fine at Stansted it is a myth that they are suffering with low income from Ryanair after paying a high price for the airport
In the light of prices quoted for construction of a new runway at either LHR or LGW, it has become clear that MAG did not pay a high price for STN at all. In fact, it could eventually become recognised as one of the bargains of the century. They could sell STN for multiples of the price originally paid right now if they wished to do so.

Itchin McCrevis 20th Feb 2016 18:02

LTNman - look at the figures you quoted versus passenger growth:

Passengers up 16.1%, revenue only up 10.9% - so either traffic income per passenger is dropping or commercial income per passenger is dropping - which do you think is more likely given their big new retail offering?

Revenue up 27m, EBITDA up 26m so only 1m increase in operating costs to service 16.1% growth in passengers - suggests they must be really screwing down operating costs.

Shed - I don't disagree, I doubt MAG have a cash problem so the growth in market value may be sufficient to allow them to be less concerned about short term rate of return (which may be on target anyway - we don't know what their assumptions were in their aquisition business plan).

whitelighter 21st Feb 2016 18:16

Don't forget they are spending 20m on the terminal. What have they spent so far? 10m maybe since they are half way through.

So they e absorbed 10m extra ordinary spend and still EBITA is up


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