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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 12:49
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Can someone whoís up to date with this advise what percentage of a slot has to be operated to avoid losing it under the ďuse it or lose it ruleĒ. It was traditionally 80% but there was some alleviation under covid and Iím not sure whether itís now back to 80% or not. Also, does the ďuse it or lose itĒ rule apply to remedy slots? I am of course thinking about the LHR remedy slots Flybe uses.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 14:43
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SKOJB - be fair to flyBE at BHD. It lists 15 flights, so 7 cancellations is just a 46.66% cancellation rate, not a 50% cancellation rate. Of course there is always the possibility that another aircraft will go tech
To be fair also, a few of these are flights that FR24 are including that Flybe had already advised (a few weeks ago) would not be operating through the main part of the winter, SOU and some of the LBA, MAN and EMA flights being examples.

It's still pretty poor though.
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Old 23rd Nov 2022, 23:56
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Can someone whoís up to date with this advise what percentage of a slot has to be operated to avoid losing it under the ďuse it or lose it ruleĒ. It was traditionally 80% but there was some alleviation under covid and Iím not sure whether itís now back to 80% or not. Also, does the ďuse it or lose itĒ rule apply to remedy slots? I am of course thinking about the LHR remedy slots Flybe uses.
75% for the UK and 70% for EU so for a 21 week winter season that's 6/7 (respectively) bites of the cherry assuming a full season schedule before the slot is lost, per slot per day of week.
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 10:47
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Only 6 flights cancelled today, BHD-LBA/GLA plus one BHX-BHD rotation. A successful day by Flybe's standards.
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 15:10
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BHD - NCL actually happened today. not half full.
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 15:42
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It is a fair comment to say that it must be a given now that they are haemorrhaging money. I like others would want them to succeed but what is the prospect of that based on current performance and customer feedback.
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 15:45
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The LHR flight from NCL is certainly not breaking pax records today. Far from it.
Neither did the inbound that was worse.

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Old 24th Nov 2022, 16:00
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Originally Posted by Diff Tail Shim View Post
The LHR flight from NCL is certainly not breaking pax records today. Far from it.
And tomorrow's is set to be worse
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 16:16
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The LHR flight from NCL is certainly not breaking pax records today. Far from it.
They launched it with one weeks notice. Imagine how bad the IOM bookings must have been for this to be the better option.
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 18:12
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Some problem seems to have arisen with ECOE today, currently stuck in AMS. Both AMS-LHR rotations cancelled and BHD-AMS still hasn't departed after a three and a half hour delay. Afternoon LHR-BHD cancelled also. Then again, could just be poor loads.
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Old 24th Nov 2022, 20:17
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I really don't understand this at all. Could the poor potential serviceability issue have been foreseen and mitigated.

Or would it have been better to re-start with something more reliable- the ATR doesn't seem to suffer these problems.
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 09:55
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The blame is being put on the Q400 having reliability issues. But why? Wideroe don't seem to have problems and they are operating in much more challenging circumstances (heavy snow etc) and it's rare you see Luxair cancelling flights because of Q400 problems. Did Flybe1 not look after them? are the crew not treating them right? is Flybe trying to cut costs and only repair when things are broken rather than preventative maintenance? or is it just pure bad luck? I'm not accusing Flybe of any of that but questioning why they seem to be having such problems.
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Old 25th Nov 2022, 12:14
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As I said in my earlier post (post number 710 in this thread) I am convinced that part of their problem is over scheduling what are quite old aircraft. Also, I assume that all or most of these aircraft have been in storage since the demise of Flybe 1 and it is almost always the case that an aircraft that has been stored will take quite a while to bed in.

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The complexity of the network, with crews and aircraft right across the UK doesnít help a small operation. Flybe has 8 aircraft over two hubs with multiple one stops to offline locations and night stops. Overnighting at an airport not connected to a home base is a brave thing as schedule recovery is doubly complex. 75% of Heathrow destinations not connecting hubs is also foolish.

emerald has 14 aircraft over two hubs. All aircraft are home every evening and no one stop services.

If things go wrong, and they do, Flybe has less capability to recover as quickly.



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Old 25th Nov 2022, 16:22
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The blame is being put on the Q400 having reliability issues. But why? Wideroe don't seem to have problems and they are operating in much more challenging circumstances (heavy snow etc) and it's rare you see Luxair cancelling flights because of Q400 problems. Did Flybe1 not look after them? are the crew not treating them right? is Flybe trying to cut costs and only repair when things are broken rather than preventative maintenance? or is it just pure bad luck? I'm not accusing Flybe of any of that but questioning why they seem to be having such problems.
Flybe are themselves blaming delivery issues on the Q400s, though there appear to simultaneously be issues with the active fleet. Both I would put down to a lack of utilisation over a roughly two-year period, where the aircraft were stored in wet climates not dissimilar to the UK's own. Looking at Planespotter's data - which I appreciate is not always fully accurate - OY-YCZ (which is not yet listed on the UK register) has been stored for the longest, at 35 months, and G-EXTA the shortest, at 7 months. Neither is yet operational, though the latter has now been registered to Flybe suggesting that it is not far off being. The majority of the ex old Flybe machines have/had not flown for around 30 months and thus I would expect significant issues to arrive following their RTS. I'm not an engineer, or anything close, so it is merely speculative of course, but I am sure that somebody else on here would have the necessary experience to prove my argument either one way or the other.
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Flybe are themselves blaming delivery issues on the Q400s, though there appear to simultaneously be issues with the active fleet. Both I would put down to a lack of utilisation over a roughly two-year period, where the aircraft were stored in wet climates not dissimilar to the UK's own. Looking at Planespotter's data - which I appreciate is not always fully accurate - OY-YCZ (which is not yet listed on the UK register) has been stored for the longest, at 35 months, and G-EXTA the shortest, at 7 months. Neither is yet operational, though the latter has now been registered to Flybe suggesting that it is not far off being. The majority of the ex old Flybe machines have/had not flown for around 30 months and thus I would expect significant issues to arrive following their RTS. I'm not an engineer, or anything close, so it is merely speculative of course, but I am sure that somebody else on here would have the necessary experience to prove my argument either one way or the other.
You could be right. If you turned a Q400 off for half an hour you'd invariably have issues when you turned it on again...and that was when they were new.
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Is their another airline operating in the UK with *zero* interline agreements? Maybe Ryanair?

I know it's not the be all and end all (looking at you, BMI) but it seems insane.
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Grrr

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Is their another airline operating in the UK with *zero* interline agreements? Maybe Ryanair?

I know it's not the be all and end all (looking at you, BMI) but it seems insane.
Wizzair UK (if they exist).
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Old 26th Nov 2022, 11:15
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There are several airlines who donít have inter line arrangements in the traditional sense - Ryanair, easyJet, Wizz, Jet2 to name but a few. But their business models donít need or want them - and easyJet chooses to do this via another means with its Worldwide programme.

The difference is that if you need them and want them, but donít have them, it will impact performance. The only other airline I can think of which has none and in the same boat as Flybe is Eastern.
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Originally Posted by Albert Hall;[url=tel:11337604
11337604[/url]]There are several airlines who donít have inter line arrangements in the traditional sense - Ryanair, easyJet, Wizz, Jet2 to name but a few. But their business models donít need or want them - and easyJet chooses to do this via another means with its Worldwide programme.

The difference is that if you need them and want them, but donít have them, it will impact performance. The only other airline I can think of which has none and in the same boat as Flybe is Eastern.
A big chunk of the original Flybeís business was interline/codeshare agreements. Routes like EDI/GLA-MAN are dead without interline from someone else at MAN.
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