Flybe-V2

[Hearmenow]

Looks like everyone has lost interest......

[dixi188]

No news is good news, me thinks.

[BA318]

Originally Posted by Hearmenow

Looks like everyone has lost interest......

They seem to have settled down a bit. It will be in March with the switch to the summer timetables that we see if they learnt their lesson with overscheduling.

Anyone know how the loads are?

[BACsuperVC10]

Originally Posted by Fairdealfrank

Going up against BA on LHR-NCL appears to be the height of stupidity, and BA/EI on LHR-BHD and BA/KL on LHR-AMS. Flybe is not British Midland. BE is more suited to thin routes (the aircraft in use is a clue). Would it not be better to link LHR to cities without an existing service such as LBA, LPL, MME, etc.? That said, it would be necessary to heavily advertise these services and relentlessly promote these as a non-stop to the Thames Valley and one-stop connection to the world. There are no direct train services to Heathrow from most of the country. This would be a better use of LHR slots.

One of the lost opportunities of HS2 is not to build the Heathrow Spur, which would have given direct rail access to many places. Easyjet this year is offering an extremely poor service from Liverpool to Amsterdam. normally 3 or 4 per day, this year 1, so very short of capacity. Strikes me an opportunity for Flybe.

[OzzyOzBorn]

Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10

Easyjet this year is offering an extremely poor service from Liverpool to Amsterdam. normally 3 or 4 per day, this year 1, so very short of capacity. Strikes me an opportunity for Flybe.

It isn't "an extremely poor service". It is a standardised EasyJet product, with frequency reduced to what management at that operator deem appropriate, commensurate with assets available and optimising profitable deployment of those resources.

Are you Liverpool Airport's marketing director? You give that impression in every post you make.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10

One of the lost opportunities of HS2 is not to build the Heathrow Spur, which would have given direct rail access to many places. Easyjet this year is offering an extremely poor service from Liverpool to Amsterdam. normally 3 or 4 per day, this year 1, so very short of capacity. Strikes me an opportunity for Flybe.

Easyjet must be disappointed with the extremely poor support from the users of Liverpool airport which means that they are unable to maintain ther previous level of service. A warning to other airlines.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Easyjet must be disappointed with the extremely poor support from the users of Liverpool airport which means that they are unable to maintain ther previous level of service. A warning to other airlines.

Perhaps SVC is looking at it from the point of view of business passengers requiring daily services or the potential for interlining with bags checked through to their final destination. Not sure that can be achieved on EZY.

[BACsuperVC10]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Easyjet must be disappointed with the extremely poor support from the users of Liverpool airport which means that they are unable to maintain ther previous level of service. A warning to other airlines.

Thats not the case. Its their oldest route and always busy. There's more to it.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10

Thats not the case. Its their oldest route and always busy. There's more to it.

Of course there is. They can make more money deploying there resources elsewhere.

[BACsuperVC10]

I am not sure Ozzy how you think 1 per day is a good service , when 3 per day is the norm, it does not serve the city well enough. ( pre covid 237,867 flew the route ). I will ignore your snide comment, I am a passenger therefore I have an opinion.

[BACsuperVC10]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Of course there is. They can make more money deploying there resources elsewhere.

They are flying to Turkey much more this year, however Amsterdam has always been in the top ten routes, i'd be surprised if that has changed.

[SWBKCB]

Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10

I am not sure how you think 1 per day is a good service , when 3 per day is the norm, it does not serve the city well enough. ( pre covid 237,867 flew the route ). I will ignore your snide comment, I am a passenger therefore I have an opinion.

It's obviously a service which meets the demand. If there were enough people flying at an appropriate rate, there would be three services a day.

It's a two way thing - enough people need to pay to fly for the airline to afford to operate the service. Airlines don't walk away from services because they are making too much money. The city needs to serve the airline

[BACsuperVC10]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

It's obviously a service which meets the demand. If there were enough people flying at an appropriate rate, there would be three services a day.

It's a two way thing - enough people need to pay to fly for the airline to afford to operate the service. Airlines don't walk away from services because they are making too much money. The city needs to serve the airline

and enough do fly and pay the appropriate rate, it hasnt changed that much in 26 years. I think its best to agree to disagree on this one.

[BHX5DME]

Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10

and enough do fly and pay the appropriate rate, it hasnt changed that much in 26 years. I think its best to agree to disagree on this one.

Flybe loads from BHX have really picked up with many flights 60-75 pax

[mart901]

Originally Posted by BACsuperVC10

They are flying to Turkey much more this year, however Amsterdam has always been in the top ten routes, i'd be surprised if that has changed.

AMS has had months of negative press in relation to queues, delays, baggage handling. I shouldn't think this is driving passengers up.

[True Blue]

Ams is not the only route that has been severely reduced. Bfs has also been severely reduced. It is not that long ago that a Saturday would see maybe 5 flights a day, this winter it is 1. Weekdays also reduced, with first flights not until late morning. I struggle to understand why such a large change so quickly.

[ajamieson]

Originally Posted by BA318

Anyone know how the loads are?

LHR-NQY 29DEC 13
MAN-NQY 02JAN 55
NQY-LHR 02JAN 53

Newquay - Heathrow seems to be operating a lot more reliably than under Flybe Mk 1, though I can't speak to whether it is actually making any money. Fares are teensy bit more competitive, too. Very useful indeed while GWR is up the spout.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by True Blue

Ams is not the only route that has been severely reduced. Bfs has also been severely reduced. It is not that long ago that a Saturday would see maybe 5 flights a day, this winter it is 1. Weekdays also reduced, with first flights not until late morning. I struggle to understand why such a large change so quickly.

Relatively low wealth area in a cost of living crisis where discretuionary spend takes a massive hit, people cancelling winter extra jollies hoping to make it away in summer at best.

[OltonPete]

AMS/Flybe

Originally Posted by mart901

AMS has had months of negative press in relation to queues, delays, baggage handling. I shouldn't think this is driving passengers up.

Sorry if the hyper-link doesn't open below but paste it into your browser and it should work and it is noticeable the amount of across the board cuts at Amsterdam this winter to the UK at least and I assume this article is still valid.

Logically winter seems to be bearing the brunt but I can only comment specifically on BHX where easyjet were packing out BHX - AMS twice daily in summer and in winter it is between 4 and 6 per week. Naturally yields slump in winter but not to make such drastic cuts and KLM have dropped from 5 daily to 3 daily until mid February (4 daily in winter usually) with load factors this November 91% (generally November was average) which is more akin to a loco route. Note easyjet have 2 aircraft on the ground Amsterdam today for over 24 hours and that is on a winter Friday, so not operating elsewhere!!

The only operator unaffected is Flybe with the service remaining daily but again I am sure if they could get the slots that would increase. Flybe have also been helped on Glasgow and Edinburgh by easyjet with some frequency reductions such as no flights to Glasgow on a Thursday (changes soon) which was one of the busiest business days at BHX in winter, albeit pre COVID and things have changed. Edinburgh some days is just daily with that flight departing 21.30 whereas Flybe offer 2 daily.

https://onemileatatime.com/news/amst...en-flight-cap/

Pete

[mart901]

Originally Posted by True Blue

Ams is not the only route that has been severely reduced. Bfs has also been severely reduced. It is not that long ago that a Saturday would see maybe 5 flights a day, this winter it is 1. Weekdays also reduced, with first flights not until late morning. I struggle to understand why such a large change so quickly.

Things have changed a bit, the loads split with BHD (I know that doesn't equate to 5 flights), in particular on weekdays zoom has replaced a lot of business travel and LPL has a catchment area that overlaps with MAN, always has and easyJet compete with themselves in that regard now, EIR, BE and soon FR too - there's really only room for so many carrier's. There's a long history of Northern Ireland travelers using LPL as a cheaper alternative, something has to give.