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Originally Posted by N123JB
Second time this week. Same with the also cancelled BHD-LBA/GLA services.
When do the airports start asking questions?
When do the airports start asking questions?
The sh1t hits the fan when a high profile TV consumer show starts digging or Simon Calder makes a story from it.
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Originally Posted by ATNotts
Why would they, at least for as long as they are getting paid?
The sh1t hits the fan when a high profile TV consumer show starts digging or Simon Calder makes a story from it.
The sh1t hits the fan when a high profile TV consumer show starts digging or Simon Calder makes a story from it.
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Originally Posted by N123JB
Would love to see Anne Robinson having a go at them
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Originally Posted by ItsonlyMeagain
Could it just be possible that today's flights are cancelled due to the thick fog at BHX and LBA?
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Originally Posted by ara01jbb
In order to keep this thread a bit more tidy, could we perhaps just list the flights that are actually operating? 
I feel for those who "kept the faith" through all the time between Fbee1 & Fbee2 - it must be a dreadful disappointment
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Originally Posted by Copenhagen
Looks like three aircraft down today.
This mornings Belfast and Edinburgh from Birmingham are cancelled.
BHD to Leeds also cancelled.
This mornings Belfast and Edinburgh from Birmingham are cancelled.
BHD to Leeds also cancelled.
From my earlier postings to this thread I could be accused as being some kind of apologist for Flybe 2, but actually nothing could be further from the truth. I am totally removed from either Mk.1 or Mk.2 and it looks to me, as though it must look to many others that it simply can't go on like this for much longer, which would be a great shame for those employed by them.
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I would hate to be relying on Flybe to get me home for Christmas. When I was in the regional business, Christmas Eve was one of our more nail biting days (we didn’t fly on Christmas Day) as we had loads of full flights and it really mattered to us to get everyone where they wanted to be. We had crew, ops staff and engineers on standby for Christmas Day in case events conspired against us but I’m happy to say that we had a 100% success record in getting everyone, and all the aircraft, where they were supposed to be and at about 22.00 there was the happy job of calling all the standbys to tell them they wouldn’t be needed and could have Christmas Day off.
I recount this because, IMHO, it is the necessary ethos for a regional airline. Passengers have to trust that you will get them where they want to be at (at least) roughly the right time. While I have no doubt that many of the current Flybe staff are pulling their hair out at the moment, they cannot carry on as they are.
I recount this because, IMHO, it is the necessary ethos for a regional airline. Passengers have to trust that you will get them where they want to be at (at least) roughly the right time. While I have no doubt that many of the current Flybe staff are pulling their hair out at the moment, they cannot carry on as they are.
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Originally Posted by ItsonlyMeagain
Could it just be possible that today's flights are cancelled due to the thick fog at BHX and LBA?
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Few if any BHX airlines cancel flights the night before based on a met forecast the next day for fog. BHX did have generator issues earlier in the week but overall after that I think only one or two flights been lost to fog and one of those was aircraft or crew related (I assume Cat1) and in fact there have been more diversions in than out.
It got worse later today with the aircraft that positioned in to operate the 2 Glasgow flights and remaining Edinburgh unfortunately is still on the ground in BHX after the first Glasgow resulting in the early afternoon Edinburgh departing over 4 hours late this evening using the inbound Amsterdam aircraft. This has meant that the outbound Belfast cancelled making a 100% failure rate on that route today and due to the last of the BHX night closures, the final Glasgow is also cancelled. Just to add balance, Aer Lingus Regional also cancelled the early morning Belfast City today the second flight yesterday, the afternoon flight Wednesday and first two flights Monday so not only Flybe disrupting passengers.
I know the Flybe board are ultimately responsible for the decision to go with the Dash 8 and we all knew about their reputation during Flybe 1 but I do have some sympathy with their current plight as I doubt few could have estimated this level of aircraft issues. The disappointing aspect is that they seem to be holding their own in respect of passenger loads on their BHX services but for how long?
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Why sympathy
Originally Posted by OltonPete
In respect of BHX - no
Few if any BHX airlines cancel flights the night before based on a met forecast the next day for fog. BHX did have generator issues earlier in the week but overall after that I think only one or two flights been lost to fog and one of those was aircraft or crew related (I assume Cat1) and in fact there have been more diversions in than out.
It got worse later today with the aircraft that positioned in to operate the 2 Glasgow flights and remaining Edinburgh unfortunately is still on the ground in BHX after the first Glasgow resulting in the early afternoon Edinburgh departing over 4 hours late this evening using the inbound Amsterdam aircraft. This has meant that the outbound Belfast cancelled making a 100% failure rate on that route today and due to the last of the BHX night closures, the final Glasgow is also cancelled. Just to add balance, Aer Lingus Regional also cancelled the early morning Belfast City today the second flight yesterday, the afternoon flight Wednesday and first two flights Monday so not only Flybe disrupting passengers.
I know the Flybe board are ultimately responsible for the decision to go with the Dash 8 and we all knew about their reputation during Flybe 1 but I do have some sympathy with their current plight as I doubt few could have estimated this level of aircraft issues. The disappointing aspect is that they seem to be holding their own in respect of passenger loads on their BHX services but for how long?
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Few if any BHX airlines cancel flights the night before based on a met forecast the next day for fog. BHX did have generator issues earlier in the week but overall after that I think only one or two flights been lost to fog and one of those was aircraft or crew related (I assume Cat1) and in fact there have been more diversions in than out.
It got worse later today with the aircraft that positioned in to operate the 2 Glasgow flights and remaining Edinburgh unfortunately is still on the ground in BHX after the first Glasgow resulting in the early afternoon Edinburgh departing over 4 hours late this evening using the inbound Amsterdam aircraft. This has meant that the outbound Belfast cancelled making a 100% failure rate on that route today and due to the last of the BHX night closures, the final Glasgow is also cancelled. Just to add balance, Aer Lingus Regional also cancelled the early morning Belfast City today the second flight yesterday, the afternoon flight Wednesday and first two flights Monday so not only Flybe disrupting passengers.
I know the Flybe board are ultimately responsible for the decision to go with the Dash 8 and we all knew about their reputation during Flybe 1 but I do have some sympathy with their current plight as I doubt few could have estimated this level of aircraft issues. The disappointing aspect is that they seem to be holding their own in respect of passenger loads on their BHX services but for how long?
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Originally Posted by Bearpit
Difficult to be sympathetic when the only objective of this outfit seems to be to hang on to LHR slots at any cost. Terrible planning all round and this sort of disruption is what gives the rest of the industry a bad name. Flybe management seriously need a reality check.
Just wondered if the engineering is outsourced to save costs and if that is having an effect on serviceability
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Originally Posted by BA318
Good to see the past couple of days have been much better with fewer cancellations. Have they got extra planes? Or just a spell of good luck?
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Originally Posted by southamptonavgeek
I would think luck as they don't seem to have had any tech issues. The second ex LOT aircraft was delivered today but not to BHX so one presumes it will be in for maintenance.
Next route start is BHX-GVA on 17th Dec.
