Flybe-V2

[VickersVicount]

Saw two BE D8’s sitting at LHR… seems an expensive parking exercise. They should be aiming to be in and out of there.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by fjencl

Anymore aircraft in the fleet operating yet ????

According to Jethros website no, and I can't recall seeing reference to any additional aircraft arriving at BHX.

They are going to get into an enormous mess trying to bring on the next tranche of routes will 4 aircraft. Either start dates are going to have to be delayed, or equipment wet leased in to operate them. One pees off potential customers, the other hits the bottom line, assuming they could lay their hands on additional equipment.

The words "rock" and "hard place" come to mind.

[SWBKCB]

When does the next tranche of new flights kick in? And what's the delay in getting more a/c on line?

[Jamesair1]

According to TTG at the end of May, a leasing agreement has been signed for 5 additional aircraft. When they are delivered surely that will solve the lack of aircraft problems

[VickersVicount]

and if rumoured SOU base, its all sounding very familiar and predictable…

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

When does the next tranche of new flights kick in? And what's the delay in getting more a/c on line?

BHD/EDI starts 23rd July, I had it in my mind that there were other increases in services and new routes this month.

[RW20]

If this happens it would be disastrous for SOU,
The demise of Flybe 1 almost destroyed the airport!
With the economic situation at the moment SOU is struggling to.survive,with PAX numbers very suppressed.
Flybe is not the answer,and BA operation has not been advertised enough to make it a success.
SOU needs its runway extension to continue as a viable operation,but it is not going to be easy with the on going economic situation,and world turmoil.

[brian_dromey]

Originally Posted by RW20

If this happens it would be disastrous for SOU,
The demise of Flybe 1 almost destroyed the airport!
With the economic situation at the moment SOU is struggling to.survive,with PAX numbers very suppressed.
Flybe is not the answer,and BA operation has not been advertised enough to make it a success.
SOU needs its runway extension to continue as a viable operation,but it is not going to be easy with the on going economic situation,and world turmoil.

I doubt flyBe would be disastrous for SOU, at least they will get some passengers through the door. I doubt a serious attempts at an SOU base/focus city by easyJet or Ryanair would be scuppered by a few Q400s on Domestic routes. Who knows how long flyBe will survive and what their business model will evolve into. Mid-life Q400s will need to be replaced at some point and they are not made anymore. If they stay with turboprops it will have to be the ATR, maybe they will graduate to the A220 or secondhand 737NG/A32X.

[RW20]

Certainly Ryanair will never come to SOU!
Easy jet possible limited operation ,due stand space,
However I can't see FYbe 2 making any indentations on the domestic routes,and A220/737, purchase
Is in the realms of fantasy!!

[allan1987]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

BHD/EDI starts 23rd July, I had it in my mind that there were other increases in services and new routes this month.

BHD/EDI starts on 23 June,

There is talk flybe may have to lease 1 or 2 ATR 72-600,
not sure where is this coming from though as there is delay in parts for the Q400

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by allan1987

BHD/EDI starts on 23 June,

Sorry, I am an idiot; I checked the Flybe website before posting, and still managed to type July instead of June!

[willy wombat]

Little bit of schadenfreude if the promoters of how much better the dash 8 is than the ATR have to be bailed out by a couple of 72s.

[brian_dromey]

Originally Posted by RW20

Certainly Ryanair will never come to SOU!
Easy jet possible limited operation ,due stand space,
However I can't see FYbe 2 making any indentations on the domestic routes,and A220/737, purchase
Is in the realms of fantasy!!

My post was trying to understand why you thing flyBe offering flights from SOU would be a disaster for the airport and its future? My point was that easyJet/Wizz/Ryanair or IAG would not be too bothered one way or the other about flyBe. The kind of routes flyBe are likely to offer are of little interest to any of them - other than BHD and DUB for EI who seem unfazed by flyBe at other airports.

My point about the future fleet is that the Q400 is out of production and Bombardier have sold off the remains. Assuming flyBe survive for long enough, they will have to re-fleet at some stage. Far from being a fantasy, if maintenance and support aren’t forthcoming (which it appears it may not be) flyBes fleet will become a pressing question.

I understand the owners just wanted to pick everything up from before - but flyBe did operate the ATR as well. Teh leases on these Q400s must be peanuts….

[davidjohnson6]

Originally Posted by allan1987

There is talk flybe may have to lease 1 or 2 ATR 72-600, not sure where is this coming from though as there is delay in parts for the Q400

Wet lease or dry lease ? If a wet lease, who are the likely airlines with spare ATRs ?

[TartinTon]

Originally Posted by RW20

If this happens it would be disastrous for SOU,
The demise of Flybe 1 almost destroyed the airport!
With the economic situation at the moment SOU is struggling to.survive,with PAX numbers very suppressed.
Flybe is not the answer,and BA operation has not been advertised enough to make it a success.
SOU needs its runway extension to continue as a viable operation,but it is not going to be easy with the on going economic situation,and world turmoil.

Probably one of the more stupid posts I have seen on here for a while and there's been a few!
How can an airline starting operations from a restricted airfield that is crying out for operators with the right type of aircraft be "not the answer" when it would probably be a housing estate by now were it not for Flybe mk1?

Flybe1 was the ONLY airline prepared to make a significant investment in the airport previously and is probably the best hope for the airport today.

Let's face it, the airport hasn't exactly covered itself in glory in getting the significant operational restrictions sorted out in the intervening years, has it?

As a local you should be welcoming them in with open arms instead of pinning your hopes on a ridiculous dream of painting the airfield orange because that will never happen.

As for BA (Cityflyer..not mainline)..the only reason they are there is because LCY is closed Sat pm through Sun am. No other reason.

[ATNotts]

Marathon Airlines E170 is presently winging its way towards BHD as BEE170P to operate BE142 to GLA. It will be interesting to see whether this is just for a couple of rotations, or a longer term arrangement. Have they bitten the bullet and brought capacity in short term to cover maintenance of the current fleet?

[bean]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

Marathon Airlines E170 is presently winging its way towards BHD as BEE170P to operate BE142 to GLA. It will be interesting to see whether this is just for a couple of rotations, or a longer term arrangement. Have they bitten the bullet and brought capacity in short term to cover maintenance of the current fleet?

It's not maintenance, it's damage caused by a heavy landing

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by bean

It's not maintenance, it's damage caused by a heavy landing

Whoops! So probably will require longer term sub-chartering, and not a little extra expense. I suppose they should be thankful they could lay their hands on cover at all given the state of the European industry at the moment.

[Wycombe]

Originally Posted by bean

It's not maintenance, it's damage caused by a heavy landing

Reported elsewhere that G-ECOR is the aircraft involved. Hasn't flown since last Friday 10/6

[Mooncrest]

Originally Posted by Wycombe

Reported elsewhere that G-ECOR is the aircraft involved. Hasn't flown since last Friday 10/6

It was last seen on Monday afternoon performing engine runs outside the LBA hangars.