Doncaster Sheffield-3

[rog747]

TUI do not now have the aircraft to go back to DSA sadly,
where they once had a really good place with no competition, and a decent growing market, despite LBA, EMA, and even HUY.

For summer 2024 TUI are expanding in this Region with another based aircraft at EMA.

TUI once (like Jet2 today) had LBA to themselves after Intasun went under, but now TUI Holidays at LBA is a tiny operation, with Jet2 Holidays there as the ''Darlings of the North''.

The IT package holiday has I agree, once more become much more popular than Independent travel.

Without the TUI 737M -10 deliveries that were expected to take over from the 757's a couple of years ago, there are no spare planes right now for TUI to contemplate a DSA base reopening (if it were to happen) so Jet2 and Jet2 Holidays could be poised to strike, but they would be very cautious about DSA affecting their own NCL LBA and EMA bases.

And forget about airlines like Wizz bang ''here today and gone tomorrow'' (Ryanair also fits that bill at times)

[pug]

Jet2 and Jet2 Holidays could be poised to strike, but they would be very cautious about DSA affecting their own NCL LBA and EMA bases.

Think that’s your answer why they never did fly from there. Obviously things change but I just can’t imagine there being the interest to invest all the money and time in starting something that would risk spreading themselves too thinly and ultimately end in them competing with themselves. I maintain that for DSA to ever have any hope of being viable and sustainable it would need the closure of one or more of its competitors to happen. The clues were there from the start, and it was clear that the business case was built on airlines moving from surrounding airports to DSA.

[G-FORZ]

Originally Posted by rog747

TUI do not now have the aircraft to go back to DSA sadly

We are probably talking 2025 maybe even 2027 depending on what the CPO looks like and what infrastructure needs building/rebuilding.

[pug]

Originally Posted by G-FORZ

We are probably talking 2025 maybe even 2027 depending on what the CPO looks like and what infrastructure needs building/rebuilding.

Assuming it doesn’t get thrown out, which let’s face it is the most likely outcome.

[rog747]

Thanks for your kind replies to my 'take' on DSA, TUI and Jet2 cheers

[RobinRed]

Has Chadwick lost his marbles, he keeps think someone is Nick.
he has spent 8 hours in a Facebook group save dsa
looks like dsamole exposed his lies about meeting people to do with the bid

[pug]

Latest update from DCC towers, still pressuring the CAA to save the airport. Perhaps they haven’t yet realised that the CAA are an independent regulator and not a government body with power to ‘safeguard’ the airport. Wonder who their aviation advisors are.

[dsamole]

The lord has risen, Sir Chadwick has posted a update on behalf of every party included in the current shenanigans.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/6215...1696&ref=share

A quick update from me just to set a few things straight
CPO is still in progress alongside other work being carried out
A lease would be for the land
Peel would still own the land
They would have no influence on how the airport is operated
Doncaster Council have talks planned on the 15th of this month with Peel to discuss lease options
If Doncaster Council do agree lease terms with Peel then they would be subletting or engaging with an operator to run the airport
And costs for the lease would be passed on to that operator
There are a number of interested parties waiting for that opportunity
The Council are writing to the Civil Aviation Authority in the next few days with a proposal for the airspace fingers crossed there's a positive outcome from that
We may be able to lobby the CAA emails etc to encourage there decision
News on that soon
So over the next few weeks things are happening in the background
we may not get any news for a while but be assured things are on going

​​​​​​​Someone. Please. Make. It. Stop.

[pug]

Originally Posted by dsamole

The lord has risen, Sir Chadwick has posted a update on behalf of every party included in the current shenanigans.

https://www.facebook.com/groups/6215...1696&ref=share



Someone. Please. Make. It. Stop.

To be fair to him, he is probably being fed all this directly from the Council. Blind leading the blind?

CAA being the next target as alluded to in my last post, so they’ll be receiving a load of spam emails telling them how they must save the airport for the benefit of U.K. economy, ad nauseam.

Why are they wasting their time fighting for airspace? How do they not understand that you cannot have controlled airspace if you do not have the means to control it? There are far more pressing considerations to reopening the airport than whether you have CAS.

[dsamole]

he is probably being fed all this directly from the Council.

My point exactly. This should be coming officially from its source not from a 2 bob egotastic car mechanic with a cult following of disciples.

[pug]

Originally Posted by dsamole

My point exactly. This should be coming officially from its source not from a 2 bob egotastic car mechanic with a cult following of disciples.

Perhaps he’s one of their advisers 🤔 🤦🏻

[dsamole]

Originally Posted by pug

Perhaps he’s one of their advisers 🤔 🤦🏻

Ha. You might be onto something there. Chadwick Aviation and Airspace Consultancy coming soon.

[pug]

Originally Posted by dsamole

Ha. You might be onto something there. Chadwick Aviation and Airspace Consultancy coming soon.

Meeting with Peel next Monday, so expect more noise then I suppose.

This lease thing pretty much confirms that there are no interested buyers, not that we didn’t already know this.

Next question will be who is going to pump loads of cash into it and run it.

[Asturias56]

well in N Ireland a lot of sharp business people make a nice living out of milking the public funds made available for this sort of "local enterprise"

[pug]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

well in N Ireland a lot of sharp business people make a nice living out of milking the public funds made available for this sort of "local enterprise"

I don’t expect Peel will let it out for a song, I also expect there’ll be some pretty stringent conditions for viability and timelines.

[Asturias56]

I was thinking of the Aerospace Consultancy angle TBH

[pug]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

I was thinking of the Aerospace Consultancy angle TBH

Ah of course. Still, same rabbit hole.

[TimmyW]

Read a comment on LinkedIn today which states Peel will challenge Article 4 as far as they can and press ahead with demolition plans.

[pug]

Originally Posted by TimmyW

Read a comment on LinkedIn today which states Peel will challenge Article 4 as far as they can and press ahead with demolition plans.

Appreciate the Council trying to force their hand in any way they can, but forcing the land owner to pay for the upkeep of buildings after already apparently spent millions propping up a failing business, and blocking alternative uses of the land in spite of this, doesn’t exactly send out a good signal to other possible investors in my view.

I know airports are a bit of a special case, the Council do have a point as once it’s gone it’s gone, but they appear to be approaching this with their heads in the clouds. Peel will have all the evidence required to prove they did everything they could to make the airport viable, how will the council counteract this? How can the council prove that the economic argument outweighs that if other plans for the site? Does their land plan (aviation used til 2035) stand up to scrutiny? Are there any get outs for viability?

Meetings on 15th regarding leasehold offer, don’t expect Peel will have all that much good will after this latest move.

[Asturias56]

In some parts of the world I'd expect a tragic fire might occur soon.......................