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[pug]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

In some parts of the world I'd expect a tragic fire might occur soon.......................

I neglected to mention that in my post, but yes as is often the case in such scenarios. Perhaps a welcoming gap In the security fences will appear conveniently close to certain assets.

[TimmyW]

Originally Posted by pug

I neglected to mention that in my post, but yes as is often the case in such scenarios. Perhaps a welcoming gap In the security fences will appear conveniently close to certain assets.

It's happened elsewhere in Doncaster. The old Odeon cinema.for example.

The lease discussion is nothing more than folly for Peel to say they've explored every option.

I expect a line to be drawn under the lease discussion after the meeting on Monday.

[Asturias56]

Originally Posted by pug

I neglected to mention that in my post, but yes as is often the case in such scenarios. Perhaps a welcoming gap In the security fences will appear conveniently close to certain assets.

IIRC the Theatre in Venice burn't down twice in a few years - truly tragic!

[Imagegear]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

IIRC the Theatre in Venice burn't down twice in a few years - truly tragic!

Unknown persons tried to burn down a listed (Albeit just the medieval fireplace), unused building in my village twice, before finally succeeding on the third attempt. On each occasion when I asked the fire officer how it had started he said the fire was "set",
He also said that fire crews were regularly called out to unexplainable spontaneous combustion of properties for which change of use, or planning permission had been denied by the local council.

IG

[Asturias56]

"Meetings on 15th regarding leasehold offer,"

So what happened???

[pug]

Originally Posted by Asturias56

"Meetings on 15th regarding leasehold offer,"

So what happened???

Presumably still ‘ongoing’, open to interpretation I suppose but I don’t imagine they would come to an agreement in one sitting. Perhaps DSAmole will be able to provide an update.

See that the group tasking themselves with Saving the airport have encouraged the spamming of the CAA as expected. People duly following suit. I do wonder if they realise that the CAA have extended their consultation with a view to hearing some solid aviation safety cases for retaining the airspace and/or keeping part of it for LBA to utilise for continuous descent profiles inbound 32. No doubt they will now be receiving hundreds of messages stating how the runway is the longest in the Northern Hemisphere, and the airport contributed to the U.K. economy etc etc… Council haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory nor have they done their credibility any favours by making this a key part of their most recent joint statement.

[Asturias56]

Thanks - I'd assumed that as there was no wild posting from the Fan Club things weren't going forward..........

[SWBKCB]

A considerable amount of work is ongoing and this update covers the controlled airspace at the airport and a planning measure that has been approved by City of Doncaster Council.

Firstly, The Civil Aviation Authority (CAA) was due to make a decision very soon on whether the controlled airspace around Doncaster Sheffield Airport (DSA) should be removed. This would mean the future functionality of an airport would be detrimentally affected and if removed, any operator would have to secure its reinstatement. City of Doncaster Council has urged that the consultation period is extended to allow further conversations on this important element. The CAA have confirmed they are still in the decision-making period and have not yet decided the outcome for the Airspace Change Proposal (ACP). At Stage 4B of the airspace change process, a ‘call-in window’ is opened in which anyone can make a request that the final decision on the airspace change is made by the Secretary of State for Transport instead of the CAA.

This is not an extension of the consultation, but the next stage in the airspace change process. The window to request a call-in opened on Friday 19 May 2023 and will close at 0900 on Monday 19th June. Only the more significant changes can be ‘called in’ in this way, and even if a proposal meets the criteria to be called-in, the Secretary of State does not have to call it in. There is of course no guarantee the airspace will be maintained, given the airport is now closed, however the council has asked for any decision to be delayed following the consultation until the end of the year to allow negotiations to progress. We believe that the airport has a viable future, a future sale / lease is realistic and that keeping the status of the airspace around the airport the same whilst these negotiations and conversations are ongoing is appropriate. The council is still in detailed negotiations with Peel on a potential lease.

Last Friday Cllr Nigel Ball approved a new planning measure which will help protect and preserve the infrastructure at DSA. We very much support this. Subject to the ensuing call-in period for the decision, the demolition of any building at the airport will require planning permission to be granted permitting it. The measure, known as an immediate Article 4 Direction, allows the council to remove certain rights which would otherwise be permitted without needing to apply for planning permission. With an Article 4 Direction in place, any proposal to demolish a building at the airport – including the terminal, control tower and runway – will need to be assessed via the full planning process.

We are pleased that this step has been taken and we will collectively continue to fight for the airport.

Joint statement from Mayors of Doncaster & South Yorkshire & Doncaster MPs regarding Doncaster Sheffield Airport

[Asturias56]

"The measure, known as an immediate Article 4 Direction, allows the council to remove certain rights which would otherwise be permitted without needing to apply for planning permission. "

enter the lawyers - judicial review anyone?

[TimmyW]

Hearing a deal may be close.

[SWBKCB]

Doncaster Council is in talks with owners The Peel Group, after it was offered a lease in April but said the terms were "not acceptable". But the council is also considering plans to acquire the site, without the owner’s consent, by applying for a compulsory purchase order (CPO). Around £3.1m is being spent on drawing up a business case for running Doncaster Sheffield Airport and an assessment that will be used to decide whether compulsory purchase is necessary. However, the council said it would need millions of pounds to apply for the order and then contest it at a public inquiry if The Peel Group objects.

South Yorkshire Mayoral Combined Authority, which is being asked to provide £6.2m for the compulsory purchase bid, said even if the order was granted by a planning inspector it was not clear how much it would cost the council to buy the airport and run it. But in a report, it also states the airport was key to the local economy, contributing around £108m a year and employing about 800.

Been closed 6 months now, so if it is key to the local economy, some impact should be apparent?

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...-known-4166639

[Asturias56]

"Around £3.1m is being spent on drawing up a business case for running Doncaster Sheffield Airport and an assessment that will be used to decide whether compulsory purchase is necessary. However, the council said it would need millions of pounds to apply for the order and then contest it at a public inquiry if The Peel Group objects."

they should have better things to spend their time and money on

[pug]

Originally Posted by SWBKCB

Been closed 6 months now, so if it is key to the local economy, some impact should be apparent?

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news...-known-4166639

Around the time the airport closed the BBC calculated that the airports contribution to the regional (South Yorkshire) economy was something like 0.03% (£100million of £32bn), however there is a train of thought that even this is quite an optimistic estimate. As a rough comparison, the Doncaster North business park is estimated to generate over £300million into the local economy annually.

I think this is coming from a perspective of what it could contribute should it be/have been more successful, I.e if the airport was able to attract scheduled carriers with links to hubs, and more frequent freight integrators, as I can’t see how that mentioned level of economic input has any ROI from a public spend point of view given the vast amounts likely to be required to get it up and running again.

[ZeBedie]

It's obviously an economic dead end and a waste of public funds. Yet Teesside seems to defy that argument? What's the difference?

[N707ZS]

Think you need to go and look at previous answers for that ZeBedie.

[pug]

South Yorkshire Mayor Oliver Coppard has pledged to fund the purchase of the airport should a CPO be successful, this is in addition to granting the funding requested by Doncaster City Council (£6.2 million in total, £3.1 from SYMCA) to fund a feasibility study.

https://southyorkshire-ca.gov.uk/new...Xj9l71LN2CFnPs

No mention yet of how much they are willing to stump up for the airport, presumably this would be based on their value of the land as an airport only which I assume would be challenged all the way by Peel L&P.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by pug

South Yorkshire Mayor Oliver Coppard has pledged to fund the purchase of the airport should a CPO be successful, this is in addition to granting the funding requested by Doncaster City Council (£6.2 million in total, £3.1 from SYMCA) to fund a feasibility study.

https://southyorkshire-ca.gov.uk/new...Xj9l71LN2CFnPs

No mention yet of how much they are willing to stump up for the airport, presumably this would be based on their value of the land as an airport only which I assume would be challenged all the way by Peel L&P.

One assumes Teresa May must have sent him a Magic Money Tree cutting that has now started to fruit!

[pug]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

One assumes Teresa May must have sent him a Magic Money Tree cutting that has now started to fruit!

Who knows, I do think he has room in his budget for £100million or so. Whether the issuing authority would honour them the land, with a much reduced value than it would be in real terms as something else (after Peel have ploughed over £250million into the site already), remains to be seen.

I think the feasibility study will be the decider, for £3.1 million (or £6.2million depending on where you read) you would expect a pretty comprehensive business case. It will need to be water tight to even be entertained is my understanding, otherwise it will be dismissed out of hand before its chance is heard in a tribunal.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by pug

Who knows, I do think he has room in his budget for £100million or so. Whether the issuing authority would honour them the land, with a much reduced value than it would be in real terms as something else (after Peel have ploughed over £250million into the site already), remains to be seen.

I think the feasibility study will be the decider, for £3.1 million (or £6.2million depending on where you read) you would expect a pretty comprehensive business case. It will need to be water tight to even be entertained is my understanding, otherwise it will be dismissed out of hand before its chance is heard in a tribunal.

If he has £100m floating around I can envisage better use for it than resurecting a financially failed airport!

[pug]

Originally Posted by ATNotts

If he has £100m floating around I can envisage better use for it than resurecting a financially failed airport!

Exactly, there have been no specifics just that they will foot the bill if a CPO is successful. Leads me to assume that they would merely be acting as a placeholder before selling the land/airport on to someone else. Not sure whether an issuing authority would take lightly to such a tactic. Particularly if Peel can prove that whatever plans they have for the site would economically outweigh any realistic plans to reopen the airport.

It all has a whiff of electioneering about it. There was no mention at all of talks of a lease, so have they been unsuccessful? Perhaps a bit of brinksmanship again on that point.

EDIT: MP Nick (with his selfie stick) has announced this morning that the airport now can be saved, and that it is all thanks to him. There is the small issue of having to be successful with the CPO first but he’s not deemed that important to mention. Stranger things have happened, but won’t Peel fight this all the way to ensure they aren’t out of pocket? Could be a big bill.