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I find this bizarre when 3x 738 have just gone to fly4, why not just move these 2 straight to fly4 and keep two of the fly4 738’s with TUI UK? Is it simply these two not becoming available in time for fly4 to start ops? Seems more work changing liveries etc than necessary.
Who, I wonder is now mainly running the show, the Germans, or are the UK division part of this?
I know the TUI Airlines Group as a whole, have been in an enormous pickle over the past 5 years with no end in sight,
TUI has suffered huge disruptions and losses during and post the 737 MAX-8 groundings, the Pandemic, 757/767 retirements, and the Sunwing contract ends (most of which has seriously affected TUI Airways more here in the UK)
Add to this the 787 long haul fleet, many of which are now middle aged, and 787 dispatch reliability has suffered quite a number of delays/diversions requiring Sub charters.
TUI has no other new Type coming on strength anytime soon due to 737M-10 debacle, which should have seen TUI Airways (UK) with a large new fleet enter service from 2021, which was to cover both the 757 and 767 leaving the airline.
TUI Airways are the only remaining holiday charter airline left here in the UK, and on the whole are a good airline product with loyal Customers.
However,
TUI's Customers are not taking too kindly to constant airline and flight changes to foreign 3rd party ACMI carriers.
I appreciate Jet2 Holidays also use leased aircraft from notables Air Tanker and Titan, plus a small number of 737's from both ETF and Air Explore, but Jet2 do not seem to get the rumbles and grumbles from their Customers that TUI seem to get from theirs.
What TUI do next is the big question.
Are they really just sitting around waiting to see if the 737M-10 actually gets built and Certificated with the same 737 fleetwide Type and Pilot rating ?
Plan B anyone ?
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I find this bizarre when 3x 738 have just gone to fly4, why not just move these 2 straight to fly4 and keep two of the fly4 738’s with TUI UK? Is it simply these two not becoming available in time for fly4 to start ops? Seems more work changing liveries etc than necessary.
Remember Fly4 is an Irish company so some advantages in Tax would come into the calculation.
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I find this bizarre when 3x 738 have just gone to fly4, why not just move these 2 straight to fly4 and keep two of the fly4 738’s with TUI UK? Is it simply these two not becoming available in time for fly4 to start ops? Seems more work changing liveries etc than necessary.
738’s coming and going apparently randomly and no update on the Max 10 for the medium term.
738’s coming and going apparently randomly and no update on the Max 10 for the medium term.
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I'm sure they know what they're doing and my language is tongue-in-cheek. But with some airlines the strategy is very public or at least the public can figure it out. Here, they are moving 738's out and the bringing new ones in. I haven't seen anything that says what the plan is for the delayed MAX8 deliveries or the long term delayed MAX10 deliveries. I guess in summary, its all a bit unclear and I'm sure it isn't random the planning behind the scenes, but to the outsider, it can feel like that looking on in.
Originally posted by rog747: “TUI Airways are the only remaining holiday charter airline left here in the UK “.
Was that supposed to read “TUI Airways and Jet2 are the only remaining holiday charter airlines left here in the UK “. Presumably a typo?😊
Was that supposed to read “TUI Airways and Jet2 are the only remaining holiday charter airlines left here in the UK “. Presumably a typo?😊
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Correct. TUI is one of the few airlines that still book their slots mostly as IATA service type 'C' which to be fair is a slightly outdated scenario as they're not strictly speaking charter flights. Most regular flight series go as scheduled, service type 'J', including Jet2.
The only Jet2 flights that go in as charter are those they don't sell flight only for, such as the winter traffic they do at Gatwick on behalf of other providers. Things like Lapland flights and so on are generally service type 'C' and are more in line with the true definition of a charter flight.
https://www.oag.com/knowledge/iata-service-type-codes
The only Jet2 flights that go in as charter are those they don't sell flight only for, such as the winter traffic they do at Gatwick on behalf of other providers. Things like Lapland flights and so on are generally service type 'C' and are more in line with the true definition of a charter flight.
https://www.oag.com/knowledge/iata-service-type-codes
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The French one should be coming to TUI Engineering in Luton today. As it has been sitting idle st Montpellier for a while perhaps needs some work and mods to bring up to TUI requirements.
Remember Fly4 is an Irish company so some advantages in Tax would come into the calculation.
Remember Fly4 is an Irish company so some advantages in Tax would come into the calculation.
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TFK looking good, most of the PH/OO redg'd 787s had the TUI logo painted on the underside, whereas the G ones didn't, I wonder if that's been repainted.
I hope the UK 787s keep their names. Flew Alfie to SFB back in 2016. Good to see them get a new coat of paint finally.
I hope the UK 787s keep their names. Flew Alfie to SFB back in 2016. Good to see them get a new coat of paint finally.
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TUI's Customers are not taking too kindly to constant airline and flight changes to foreign 3rd party ACMI carriers.
I appreciate Jet2 Holidays also use leased aircraft from notables Air Tanker and Titan, plus a small number of 737's from both ETF and Air Explore, but Jet2 do not seem to get the rumbles and grumbles from their Customers that TUI seem to get from theirs.
I appreciate Jet2 Holidays also use leased aircraft from notables Air Tanker and Titan, plus a small number of 737's from both ETF and Air Explore, but Jet2 do not seem to get the rumbles and grumbles from their Customers that TUI seem to get from theirs.
Jet2 do full entry into service maintenance, a cabin refit into LS spec, partial LS livery, LS cabin staff and manage the day to day operations of the aircraft themselves. To 98% of the population, they wouldn’t have any idea this wasn’t a regular Jet2 flight.
TUI, unless things have changed recently, don’t do any of the sort.
Another key difference being that LS are using these frames to supplement summer capacity and will always have multiple spare aircraft across major bases on any given day, negating the impact of any issues with aircraft or scheduling. TUI are forced to use ACMI as the problem solver in the first instance, covering an existing major capacity hole in their fleet.