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Old 24th Mar 2023, 05:29
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Silkway that is sorry too early.
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 10:10
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Originally Posted by _aax1

Unless they invest and find a USP, it will continue to be the sick man of London airports with solely Ryanair as its customer.
Think you're underplaying the importance of Jet2 to STN and STN to Jet2.
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Think you're underplaying the importance of Jet2 to STN and STN to Jet2.
And underplaying how powerful and popular Ryanair is.
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 12:43
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
STN406 - would it ever be possible for MAG to apply a coat of paint to the walls (and perhaps put in arm rests on the benches so it doesn't feel like an area for the homeless to sleep) in the downstairs quiet seating area underneath itsu, and maybe also re-cover the cushions on some of the benches in the (general) departures area ? I know these get heavy wear-and-tear, but some parts of the airport feel distinctly scruffy
I have to agree to this one. There are several areas in the terminal and the satellites that are looking very worn, which surprises me, considering the terminal was revamped not too long ago. The current state of the quiet seating area, for example is appalling, and generally gives off a very tired and dreary impression. Same goes for some of the seating areas in satellite 3: it looks very tired and should have been replaced and at least reupholstered. Satellite 2 in general is looking very dated and looks as if it has never been refurbished since it was opened in the 1990s. Granted, Covid-19 has impacted things at STN (as well as the vast majority of airports and businesses around the world), and measures to cut losses have of course been a necessity. However, now that air travel is well and truly recovering and passenger through flow increasing, I hope that MAG can begin finishing up on projects that had been started pre-pandemic, such as the shoreline check in design that has been mentioned. I think what would be a shame is if MAG decided to focus more on MAN and EMA and ignore STN as far as investment is concerned, as this would almost be a replay of what was happening under BAA ownership at STN.
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Old 24th Mar 2023, 12:47
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Presumably the problem is that ryanair doesn't want to pay the level of fees which would fund this work .
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Old 27th Mar 2023, 21:29
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Latest ACL S23 report

So some interesting notes here

ITA with 1200 slots for FCO and LIN operation starting around 29 May 4 flights per day with 319/320

Royal Jordanian 2x p/w to AMM with 319

Turkmenistan there as is common knowledge but day 5 added with a 330 cargo aswell

Royal Air Moroc a few slots TNG, 2x p/w with 320/737 max from 19 June

sun air starting flights to MAN and GOT 3x pw with an FRJ

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Old 27th Mar 2023, 21:44
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Interesting RoyaL air Moroc have slots at Stansted to start a tangier route, however they have just announced Gatwick so thats not happening.

ITA airways also have loads of slots but i doubt they will use them at Stansted.

The Royal Jordanian one is very interesting however I think they will go to Gatwick too. It's sad to see!
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Old 27th Mar 2023, 23:23
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Remember Royal Air Maroc & Royal Jordan are part of One World so I doubt they would want to take any interlined traffic away from small potential there might be at LGW.
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 04:43
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All very interesting. Had Tunisair and Air Algerie last year so hearing some other regular LHR operators having slots is really good to hear.
I donít agree with the statement that they would go LGW as they can interline due to oneworld. Just as an operator is in an alliance doesnít mean they will interline or codeshare on every flight at another operators base.
As all ways it will be a wait and see.
I have seen ITA slots loaded on the flight display system for the summer holidays so could possibly happen but then again Air India slots were showing for this week up till a week ago.

Sunair from GOT/MAN I see the most likely to happen. Have operated to CBG for a while on charters so itís possible.
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 11:09
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Originally Posted by STN406
All very interesting. Had Tunisair and Air Algerie last year so hearing some other regular LHR operators having slots is really good to hear.
I donít agree with the statement that they would go LGW as they can interline due to oneworld. Just as an operator is in an alliance doesnít mean they will interline or codeshare on every flight at another operators base.
As all ways it will be a wait and see.
I have seen ITA slots loaded on the flight display system for the summer holidays so could possibly happen but then again Air India slots were showing for this week up till a week ago.

Sunair from GOT/MAN I see the most likely to happen. Have operated to CBG for a while on charters so itís possible.
I might be imagining this; but didnít Alitalia operate some kind of limited schedule from the airport in the 00ís? We have seen Lufthansa and SAS at times during the last 20 or so years, so it is possible. But would it last is a better question?

Sun Air; doesnít this operate from CBG for the pharmaceutical companies located near by? BA used to sell seats to GOT from CBG above the allocation taken up daily by said companies. Iím not up to speed on the recent goings on at CBG but perhaps their venture is coming to an end?
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 11:27
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I think, with Jet2 launching STN-FCO, I can see potential for ITA Airways to launch STN as a competitive response to LS, particularly if they wish to expand their London operations and presently cannot do so, due to slot limitations at LHR. In a way, I am surprised that FR haven't reacted to this already by launching their own STN-FCO service as a replacement of, or compliment to the existing STN-CIA route, considering that they have built up a large base at FCO
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 11:46
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EZY

With air travel now nearing pre-pandemic 2019 levels, what are the chances that EZY would re-open their former STN base? Granted, I know that they will be primarily focusing on maximising on LGW, which has always been their biggest UK base by far, and to a lesser extent, LTN. Would they ever expand beyond their 4 routes from STN? I fear that their peak at STN has been and gone, especially with LS having replaced them as the number 2 carrier at STN, but it would be nice to see some more variety.
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 12:58
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Originally Posted by JW95
With air travel now nearing pre-pandemic 2019 levels, what are the chances that EZY would re-open their former STN base? Granted, I know that they will be primarily focusing on maximising on LGW, which has always been their biggest UK base by far, and to a lesser extent, LTN. Would they ever expand beyond their 4 routes from STN? I fear that their peak at STN has been and gone, especially with LS having replaced them as the number 2 carrier at STN, but it would be nice to see some more variety.
Doesn't necessarily need a base. Could do with a few more routes from other bases such as Malaga and Geneva.
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 13:04
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Originally Posted by JW95
I think, with Jet2 launching STN-FCO, I can see potential for ITA Airways to launch STN as a competitive response to LS, particularly if they wish to expand their London operations and presently cannot do so, due to slot limitations at LHR. In a way, I am surprised that FR haven't reacted to this already by launching their own STN-FCO service as a replacement of, or compliment to the existing STN-CIA route, considering that they have built up a large base at FCO
Assuming Lufthansa will take over ITA... would a Stansted-Rome route be a priority from Lufthansa's point of view, given that none of LH, LX, OS or SN have routes to STN ? If you were an employee of ITA, would you sign off on opening a route to STN right now, or would you choose routes that would make you look good as an employee in Lufthansa's eyes ? Once LH take over ITA... management will likelt be looking for cost-saving synergies - ie cutting the number of employees
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 13:15
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6
Assuming Lufthansa will take over ITA... would a Stansted-Rome route be a priority from Lufthansa's point of view, given that none of LH, LX, OS or SN have routes to STN ? If you were an employee of ITA, would you sign off on opening a route to STN right now, or would you choose routes that would make you look good as an employee in Lufthansa's eyes ? Once LH take over ITA... management will likelt be looking for cost-saving synergies - ie cutting the number of employees
Presumably if a new route is to launched, it already has a sound business case?
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 13:49
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Originally Posted by SWBKCB
Presumably if a new route is to launched, it already has a sound business case?
From experience it's often done by the patented airliners.net magical dartboard of drunken route planning. It seems someone broke the Magic 8 Ball.... Not everyone obvs, but way too often it's like this :

Leader : "I have had a most brilliant idea and I need you to find some supporting data."
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Analyst ; Despairs (again)

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Old 28th Mar 2023, 16:02
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Originally Posted by JW95
With air travel now nearing pre-pandemic 2019 levels, what are the chances that EZY would re-open their former STN base? Granted, I know that they will be primarily focusing on maximising on LGW, which has always been their biggest UK base by far, and to a lesser extent, LTN. Would they ever expand beyond their 4 routes from STN? I fear that their peak at STN has been and gone, especially with LS having replaced them as the number 2 carrier at STN, but it would be nice to see some more variety.
They'd have a hard time reopening the base now as they've given away all their previous first wave slots.

Only way it could happen is if either Ryanair or Jet2 cut back on based aircraft (unlikely) or additional capacity added which is still some years away.

An increase in in-bound flying is the best they can do now.
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More of a chance of a SEN base now.
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Old 28th Mar 2023, 17:23
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Loganair appear to be leaving at the end of April as they have slots for LDY at LHR. This has been on the cards since BE collapsed.
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Old 29th Mar 2023, 11:36
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Turkmenistan airlines

So seems Turkmenistan airlines flights are now operating to Heathrow as opposed to stansted, wow that was really short lived , literally 1 flight before it got switched over T5421 now on its way to LHR
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