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[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by laviation

The vast majority of US-EDI pax is US domiciled anyway.

This is a great point, pre-clearace is dealing with a pain point that doesn't affect the majority of the passengers on US flights as CBP process is much faster for US passport holders. Is there an outside possibility there's a quid pro quo that one from BA/VS/EUK have promised a based aircraft if this happens and so he's really going for it?

[Planeraz]

Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot

This is a great point, pre-clearace is dealing with a pain point that doesn't affect the majority of the passengers on US flights as CBP process is much faster for US passport holders. Is there an outside possibility there's a quid pro quo that one from BA/VS/EUK have promised a based aircraft if this happens and so he's really going for it?

Isn’t one of the advantages of pre-clearance for both non-US and US citizens, that all can just walk straight to baggage re-claim and not have to pass through immigration when they land in the US? Depending on what time and which airport you arrive in to, even US Citizens can be held up clearing immigration.

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Planeraz

Isn’t one of the advantages of pre-clearance for both non-US and US citizens, that all can just walk straight to baggage re-claim and not have to pass through immigration when they land in the US? Depending on what time and which airport you arrive in to, even US Citizens can be held up clearing immigration.

Fair point there, but I don't see the ROI being there vs. somewhere like LGW or LHR which has a higher % of UK based POS. TheScottish based US CBP officers have to be paid for and one flight per day in Feb won't pass muster in comparison with some of the other candidates with higher volumes. I think EDI will continue to build on US flights though.

[A350Saltire]

I’m excited to see how this develops. They have said that advances in technology makes this more affordable and they certainly believe that it could help them secure more US routes.

There are plans to completely reorganise the terminal with domestic flights moving to the cul-de-sac and they’ve said that pre clearance would be an earmarked processing area airside. I am looking forward to seeing the plans in more detail.

[ld0595]

Preclearance would be a pretty big deal and I could definitely see an uptick of passengers using Edinburgh to travel across the pond. With the A321XLR coming pretty soon with orders by United and AA, I'd like to think that more year round services would be viable.

It's worth noting that in the depths of winter, Shannon only serves one transatlantic passenger service which CBP remains open for. Appreciate that wasn't the case when it opened and it's been established for a lot longer they still seem to make a case for it.

I keep banging on though that the check in area needs to be vastly expanded though!

[Sk1schoolsam]

Originally Posted by Planeraz

Isn’t one of the advantages of pre-clearance for both non-US and US citizens, that all can just walk straight to baggage re-claim and not have to pass through immigration when they land in the US? Depending on what time and which airport you arrive in to, even US Citizens can be held up clearing immigration.

I agree that from a US passenger’s perspective this would be viewed as an advantage. Also arrival at a domestic terminal enables easier onward connections, both for passengers and baggage. (I would imagine a significant proportion of the inbound flights) If I read the article correctly then baggage will not need to be collected to clear customs (this will have been done pre boarding).

From my experience last year US citizens faced significant queues at immigration (for example at JFK)

IMO IF it were to happen it would be really positive for EDI- I just don’t understand the negativity in this forum towards this.
The worst it can do is drive further overdue investment in the existing bursting infrastructure.

[Asturias56]

its not negativity its realism

read the original - only Dewar thinks it will happen..........................

[Rutan16]

Shannon has three and several biz jets using the facility even in February

[Skipness One Foxtrot]

Originally Posted by Rutan16

Shannon has three and several biz jets using the facility even in February

It's only the 2 based Aer Lingus A321s in mid winter on SNN-BOS and SNN-JFK, and one of the two routes historically often takes a one month suspension. United takes a winter break.

[UnderASouthernSky]

How such a facility is funded is key to whether this project goes ahead. My understanding is that the Irish stations had a certain funding agreement that has not necessarily been made available to UK stations who have looked into this.
And don't just assume that airlines want to use the facility, just because it's there. There may be costs and other operational impacts that they might not wish to accept.

[GeorgeNTravels]

easyJet Winter 24/25

Flights until the start of March have appeared (worth noting that easyJet normally make changes between April-June so this will change)

• Alicante - 3 weekly in Nov and Dec, then 2 weekly Jan & Feb
• Amsterdam - 15 weekly in Nov and Dec, 13 weekly in Jan and Feb
• Basel - 3 weekly in Nov, 4 weekly in Dec & Feb, 2 weekly in Jan
• Belfast Intl - 28 weekly in Nov, Dec & Feb, 23 weekly in Jan
• Berlin - 4 weekly in Nov, 6 weekly in Dec, 3 weekly in Jan, 5 weekly in Feb
• Birmingham - 20 weekly in Nov and Feb, 19 weekly in Dec, 17 weekly in Jan
• Bristol - 31 weekly
• Copenhagen - 3 weekly in Nov, 2 weekly in Dec-Feb
• Fuerteventura - 2 weekly
• Geneva - 10 weekly in Nov, 17 weekly in Dec, 14 weekly in Jan, 17 weekly in Feb
• Grenoble - 2 weekly (Starts in December)
• Hurghada - 1 weekly
• Krakow - 4 weekly in Nov-Dec and Feb, 3 weekly in Jan
• Lanzarote - 2 weekly
• Lisbon - 3 weekly
• London Gatwick - 28 weekly in Nov & Feb, 27 weekly in Dec, 23 weekly in Jan
• London Luton - 19 weekly in Nov & Feb, 18 weekly in Dec, 17 weekly in Jan
• London Stansted - 25 weekly in Nov-Dec & Feb, 23 weekly in Jan
• Lyon - 1 weekly in Nov & Jan, 2 weekly in Dec & Feb
• Madrid - 5 weekly in Nov, 4 weekly in Dec-Feb
• Milan Malpensa - 3 weekly in Nov, 6 weekly in Dec, 2 weekly in Jan, 4 weekly in Feb
• Munich - 3 weekly
• Paphos - 2 weekly
• Paris CDG - 20 weekly in Nov-Dec, 11 weekly in Jan, 17 weekly in Feb
• Reykjavik - 4 weekly
• Rovaniemi - 2 weekly (Dec 1st - Jan 5th)
• Tenerife - 5 weekly
• Venice - 2 weekly (November only)

Biggest changes I can see is Hurghada going from 2 to 1 weekly and Hamburg being removed. It remains unclear what the plan for Venice is, easyJet Holidays shows the route as taking a break between December and March 1st

[Sk1schoolsam]

Credit to Sean M 👍👍👍
Good to see a BA connection to LWG return even if just once a week of the summer.

BA CityFlyer - London Gatwick to Edinburgh. Summer seasonal flights start 26 May 2024

BA3294 EDI 0710-0840 LGW (Sun)
BA3295 LGW 0925-1040 EDI (Sun)

‪IMO It’s an EDI equivalent of the Infamous GLA Disney Express - timed perfectly for the MCO flight from and back to LGW.

[GeorgeNTravels]

Air Canada flights to Toronto appear to have been removed for this winter, with the last flight showing as October 26th, will update if anything changes.

[figgi_gsm]

https://www.aeroroutes.com/eng/240327-2sns24uk

looks like Southwind has abandoned plans to serve EDI, aswell as other airports in the UK.

[tartan 201]

French builder Vinci SA and Spain’s state-controlled airport manager Aena SME SA are competing to acquire Edinburgh Airport in Scotland from its owner, Global Infrastructure Partners, according to people familiar with the matter

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-checkout=true

[VickersVicount]

Originally Posted by tartan 201

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-checkout=true

I thought we were told that was the process done and no further sale?

[GeorgeNTravels]

Ryanair S24 Changes...Again

Only 7 changes this time, I hope, as always subject to change etc, etc.

• Naples reduced from 3 to 2 weekly
• Gdansk reduced from 5 to 2 weekly in June and July before reducing from 5 to 4 weekly from August
• Faro reduced from 6 to 5 weekly (FR are in a dispute with the airport operator and have also reduced PIK to FAO so likely outside the control of EDI)
• Bucharest increased from 2 to 3 weekly
• Malaga reduced from 7 to 6 weekly in April and May
• Prague remains 5 weekly all season, the planned reduction to 4 weekly from June is cancelled
• Budapest will increase from 7 to 8 weekly in April and May

[GeorgeNTravels]

Ryanair W24/25

The first parts of W24/25 have started to appear, of course far more is to come.

• Charleroi - 6 weekly
• Sofia - 3 weekly
• Cork - 5 weekly
• Dublin - 19 weekly
• Barcelona - 7 weekly
• Fuerteventura - 2 weekly
• Gran Canaria - 3 weekly
• Lanzarote - 5 weekly
• Tenerife - 7 weekly

[GeorgeNTravels]

Originally Posted by GeorgeNTravels

Only 7 changes this time, I hope, as always subject to change etc, etc.

• Naples reduced from 3 to 2 weekly
• Gdansk reduced from 5 to 2 weekly in June and July before reducing from 5 to 4 weekly from August
• Faro reduced from 6 to 5 weekly (FR are in a dispute with the airport operator and have also reduced PIK to FAO so likely outside the control of EDI)
• Bucharest increased from 2 to 3 weekly
• Malaga reduced from 7 to 6 weekly in April and May
• Prague remains 5 weekly all season, the planned reduction to 4 weekly from June is cancelled
• Budapest will increase from 7 to 8 weekly in April and May

Gdansk reverts back to 5 weekly from August

Málaga reduced from 6 to 5 weekly in June and July

[A350Saltire]

Nice to see long haul flights increasing for the summer again. The VS A350 is back on Wednesday I think. Booked with them for later this year.