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There is another variable though in play with LCY v LTN which is the alternative use value. A large plot in the Docklands on pre-Covid assumptions is likely to be far more attractive than a site on the edge of Luton, no disrespect intended. Of course with people now fleeing London and big questions over corporate property even redevelopment of LCY isn’t likely to be anywhere near as lucrative as it was. Yes LTN is a bigger site but it’s also likely to have constraints, including potentially the land being protected as an aerodrome.
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The Dart is an expense. It will have a decreasing book value like a second hand car.
Airport book value £830m according to this link.
https://pomanda.com/company/02020381...irport-limited
Airport book value £830m according to this link.
https://pomanda.com/company/02020381...irport-limited
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DfT approval for DART to carry passengers. A formality but significant milestone I guess. https://assets.publishing.service.go...ion-letter.pdf
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The annual operating accounts for the Dart will make for interesting reading except I expect they will be suppressed by claims of confidentiality if it runs at a loss.
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Buried in the report is that the cost of the Dart, which at the very beginning was quoted at £200m, but soon became £225m, then increased to £243m early this year, has now risen again to an eye watering £283m. For good measure the DCO application has now risen from £50m to £65m.
No doubt by the time the Dart opens the bill will be £300m, which will be a 50% overspend.
All this from a company with no income that for good measure will take on new staff but placed on the council payroll while hundreds of staff have been made redundant. Not a good day for the airport or the town
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/po...ompany-3277546
No doubt by the time the Dart opens the bill will be £300m, which will be a 50% overspend.
All this from a company with no income that for good measure will take on new staff but placed on the council payroll while hundreds of staff have been made redundant. Not a good day for the airport or the town
https://www.lutontoday.co.uk/news/po...ompany-3277546
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I have mentioned a few times the proposal to increase the existing terminals capacity to 21.5m.
I have found the plans again that were locked away on a bookshelf. Plans included 4 new stands by the entrance to the drop off zone and a new pier.
The plan to increase capacity to 19m has been submitted by LLAOL (the concessionaire) with no terminal changes while this plan is by LLAL. Both work hand in hand and are tied at the hip.
I have found the plans again that were locked away on a bookshelf. Plans included 4 new stands by the entrance to the drop off zone and a new pier.
The plan to increase capacity to 19m has been submitted by LLAOL (the concessionaire) with no terminal changes while this plan is by LLAL. Both work hand in hand and are tied at the hip.
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I thought the 4 extra stands were almost set in stone now we have taxiway Foxtrot so flow to/from the North stands is not interrupted during pushback!
Interested in what the taxiway East from Foxtrot is, connecting to the proposed 6 pack by the run-up bay, maybe just a service road for fuel tucks/limos to big bizjets?
Interested in what the taxiway East from Foxtrot is, connecting to the proposed 6 pack by the run-up bay, maybe just a service road for fuel tucks/limos to big bizjets?
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LLAL to LLAOL " We want you to put in a planning application for 19m so as the planning authority we can approve your application, which is really our application, as it would look much better coming from you than us"
I would call this unique and a tad unethical.
Just my view.
LLAL to LLAOL " We want you to put in a planning application for 19m so as the planning authority we can approve your application, which is really our application, as it would look much better coming from you than us"
I would call this unique and a tad unethical.
Just my view.
To be honest, I'd rather they concentrate on an improved passenger experience. As part of "A" on the diagram above, is the plan to refurbish gates 1-3? Or for that matter, the entirety of the ground floor boarding areas in the old 1970s terminal.Why not just go the whole hog and put in a big building extension knocking it all down. I've not sure why it has constantly been a bit of adding individual portacabins on and never replaced it properly? Having boarded down there a few times in the last couple of years, it really is in need of an update.
I'd also like to see a cut-through by the first floor security exit so there isn't the compulsory walk through duty free (fat chance of this happening).
In regards to "Pier D", that is really going to be a long walk both to and from those gates! It could easily be a 10-15m walk from the furthest gate into the immigration hall.
As I believe I've mentioned before, they should renumber the gates: A1-A17, B20-B28, C30-C43, D50-D53 (for the possible new pier), but also have on all departures "go to X gates" and as a result people will not congregate as much in the main departure lounge and they will move towards their gate areas earlier making use of those additional seats added but not used many years ago.
I'd also like to see a cut-through by the first floor security exit so there isn't the compulsory walk through duty free (fat chance of this happening).
In regards to "Pier D", that is really going to be a long walk both to and from those gates! It could easily be a 10-15m walk from the furthest gate into the immigration hall.
As I believe I've mentioned before, they should renumber the gates: A1-A17, B20-B28, C30-C43, D50-D53 (for the possible new pier), but also have on all departures "go to X gates" and as a result people will not congregate as much in the main departure lounge and they will move towards their gate areas earlier making use of those additional seats added but not used many years ago.
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These kind of points have all been raised before, STN included. Whilst there is now an option, at STN, to by-pass the yellow brick road of duty free shopping (for a fee of course), it all boils down to revenue, and will especially do so now going forward more than ever I'm sure!
People loiteirng at gates watching planes are not spending money in the departure lounge. There is the capacity argument, but that can be adapted by displaying the gate a bit earlier when neccessary. Putting a "Go to X gates" on the board may just move the problem elsewhere. I know this is done at LHR, but frankly they don't have such a big terminal capacity issue (just runway) and the fact their airlines are willing to pay more for better facilities makes the passenger spend not quite as high a priority.
People loiteirng at gates watching planes are not spending money in the departure lounge. There is the capacity argument, but that can be adapted by displaying the gate a bit earlier when neccessary. Putting a "Go to X gates" on the board may just move the problem elsewhere. I know this is done at LHR, but frankly they don't have such a big terminal capacity issue (just runway) and the fact their airlines are willing to pay more for better facilities makes the passenger spend not quite as high a priority.
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On occaisions, we have been sent to the gate early and then corralled (with no seating of course) with folks crowded around the steps down to the ground. Have stood there for 20 minutes. I suspect this is done by carriers to ensure a timely departure. It is another reason to avoid LTN. I use LTN as it is close to where I live and has good conenctions but it is no longer enjoyable.
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Gate 1-3 are off the former duty free shop located in a prefabricated building made of wood. The building was only meant to be temporary but seems to have lasted at least 40 years.
This photo shows the entrance to the former duty free shop and was once covered in carpet with an abundance or chairs.
The former departure lounge is now just a featureless corridor with the old duty free shop entrance to the right
The former duty free shop now containing gates 4-7 with gates 1-3 out of sight to the left. It feels somewhat unloved.
Just my opinion but this photo from the 90's looks more inviting than the above 2 photos. Why did they remove all the chairs, as I think it contained more seating than today's departure lounge.
This photo shows the entrance to the former duty free shop and was once covered in carpet with an abundance or chairs.
The former departure lounge is now just a featureless corridor with the old duty free shop entrance to the right
The former duty free shop now containing gates 4-7 with gates 1-3 out of sight to the left. It feels somewhat unloved.
Just my opinion but this photo from the 90's looks more inviting than the above 2 photos. Why did they remove all the chairs, as I think it contained more seating than today's departure lounge.
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