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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 17:29
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Originally Posted by The96er
I work in the private sector with no sick pay and the current sickness rate is very high in my place of work and I know a lot of said sickness is not genuine. Just a strong bout of ‘cantbebothereditus’. My be different for a small business, but is definitely true for a large business.
Again. Utter garbage. You do not 'know' that any sickness is bogus. It is your distorted opinion with no facts to back it up.
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 17:56
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A practical question, not a rant.
I'm due to fly out of MAN in a few days time; is there any way I can tell, or predict, what the security queues may be like in T1 before I leave home that morning. I would traditionally arrive 2h before flight time (hand luggage only), and this year I've upped it to 3h, but do I now need to make it 4h....?
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 18:01
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Originally Posted by golf yankee one one
A practical question, not a rant.
I'm due to fly out of MAN in a few days time; is there any way I can tell, or predict, what the security queues may be like in T1 before I leave home that morning. I would traditionally arrive 2h before flight time (hand luggage only), and this year I've upped it to 3h, but do I now need to make it 4h....?
To have to arrive more than 2h before any flight (with the exception of TLV) is beyond ridiculous, but I suggest wise. Passengers really need to start to be treated like people again…
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 18:40
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Go be completely fair, Manchester Airport was crap with understaffing pre Covid & pre Brexit this just exposes the poor management at this facility. They should all resign in Shame.
This year I have only travelled through Porto, Lisbon & Alicante overseas airports none of which appear to have any staffing issues.
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 18:44
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Originally Posted by Dannyboy39
To have to arrive more than 2h before any flight (with the exception of TLV) is beyond ridiculous, but I suggest wise. Passengers really need to start to be treated like people again…
why? Sometimes it starts boarding 1 hour prior to departure! The issue is people turn up late then demand to get through security in 10 mins! I have flown through on numerous occasions in the last month the longest I waited to get through was about 30 mins as the queue was up to the boarding card gates! The other times it’s been 10 mins. What I have noticed is that people do not have the brains to sort stuff out before they get to security! They just start emptying their bags when called forward- most of the time with lose liquids not even in a bag! The other thing I’ve noticed is fast track is always on lane 2 which is also used fir the non fast track folks! I got into an argument with some lady who was fast track but just pushed in front of me to put her stuff in the tray fur which I must say she didn’t have organised then kicked off that she will miss her flight! The amount of people on Twitter going on about having to wait 30 minutes to get through security and calling the airport is atrocious! Yes it could be better but it’s like this all over the country! Yes people won’t agree with me!
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 19:00
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Originally Posted by HKGBOY
Go be completely fair, Manchester Airport was crap with understaffing pre Covid & pre Brexit this just exposes the poor management at this facility. They should all resign in Shame.
This year I have only travelled through Porto, Lisbon & Alicante overseas airports none of which appear to have any staffing issues.
Its that last sentence which is extremely telling
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 20:50
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Jet2 moving all flights to Bulgaria, France, Greece, Italy, Jersey & Maderia back into T1 from the 28th April

Personally think they should stay in T2 with all the chaos in T1 atm but I do understand that T2 is near capacity
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 21:15
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Originally Posted by MKY661
Jet2 moving all flights to Bulgaria, France, Greece, Italy, Jersey & Maderia back into T1 from the 28th April

Personally think they should stay in T2 with all the chaos in T1 atm but I do understand that T2 is near capacity
As I understood it, this is the same day that T3 should open fully again (check in/Security), which should relieve some of the pressure on T1 facilities...
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 21:16
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Got to wonder how long things will keep going on like this or if it will come to a head. Every day that passes, the airports reputation is deeper in the mud. Know so many people who would normally fly from MAN are now flying out of LPL, LBA, BHX and LHR/LGW for long haul flights.
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 21:30
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Originally Posted by MKY661
Jet2 moving all flights to Bulgaria, France, Greece, Italy, Jersey & Maderia back into T1 from the 28th April

Personally think they should stay in T2 with all the chaos in T1 atm but I do understand that T2 is near capacity
At some point this year, not sure when, but they're taking several of the 2xx number stands out of action in order to start the next pier construction.
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Old 2nd Apr 2022, 21:39
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Yes, there's already a growing pile of steel where 212 used to be.
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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 00:43
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Originally Posted by HOVIS
Yes, there's already a growing pile of steel where 212 used to be.
knowing MAG they’ll probably do it in august and then go the press saying passenger numbers where higher than expected in the busiest month of the year and those passengers that did turn up caused the problems themselves by wanting to use security to get on their flights …
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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 07:08
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Originally Posted by LFC22
Got to wonder how long things will keep going on like this or if it will come to a head. Every day that passes, the airports reputation is deeper in the mud. Know so many people who would normally fly from MAN are now flying out of LPL, LBA, BHX and LHR/LGW for long haul flights.
Birmingham is just as bad at peaks as are Gatwick, Stansted, Dublin and Düsseldorf whilst the incumbent of T5 has its own inflicted problems!

Way to many laid off right round Europe . Plus the Brexit benefit of hundreds of thousands of casual and service sector employees leaving this country.

Manchester is overly in the spot light because of a vocal locale and active media presence in the city region; and active enthusiasts with visuals on various platforms trolled by lazy hacks .

Now is there a serious problem to address yes (and its not sickness absence- thats gas lighting !) -its terms and conditions, fair remunerations and workable shift patterns that might include out of hours on a rotation (an effective contract of employment !)
Combined with effective training and access to education programmes ( Carrot and stick to some extent we provide you with an SIA or similar accreditation, health and safety and even a little first aid training and certification, you get a permanent contract of employment and an effective programme of betterment and a promotion programme ) .
SWISSPORT UK- Going bust! Whilst the head of MAG security should be dismissed for both miss-management and poor understanding of risk analysis and relevant mitigations.

Checking way too many bags and allowing hundreds to be penned pre any security needs just one idiot (See the Arena and that tragic loss on life for the effect !)

Crowds are an incident waiting to happen imho

On the arrivals side that’s a issue for the home office and border control and very much a political issue lead by government policies on immigration right from the top

Utter mess and calamity

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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 10:45
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why? Sometimes it starts boarding 1 hour prior to departure! The issue is people turn up late then demand to get through security in 10 mins! I have flown through on numerous occasions in the last month the longest I waited to get through was about 30 mins as the queue was up to the boarding card gates! The other times it’s been 10 mins. What I have noticed is that people do not have the brains to sort stuff out before they get to security! They just start emptying their bags when called forward- most of the time with lose liquids not even in a bag! The other thing I’ve noticed is fast track is always on lane 2 which is also used fir the non fast track folks! I got into an argument with some lady who was fast track but just pushed in front of me to put her stuff in the tray fur which I must say she didn’t have organised then kicked off that she will miss her flight! The amount of people on Twitter going on about having to wait 30 minutes to get through security and calling the airport is atrocious! Yes it could be better but it’s like this all over the country! Yes people won’t agree with me!
People shouldn't have to arrive at airports 2-3 hours early. Its incredibly annoying when you're a frequent flier, travelling on business / work, especially on a slot 1 departure where you're already short of sleep. Short term security measures that were brought in years ago are virtually permanent. Why is 95ml of liquid ok and 105ml not ok?

I'd be for a pre-screening / "low risk traveller" system like they have in the USA - at an additional cost to the passenger of course. Not that the TSA is the model to follow, at all. Why are we also not using the new advanced scanners like you see at AMS?

90% of the time, I'm through security in 10-15 minutes but for that 10%, people shouldn't be asked to queue any longer than this.

I also find it incredibly frustrating when certain airlines keep passengers on corridors and then call people for boarding when the aircraft hasn't even landed from it's previous rotation!

There has been an overhaul of the passenger airport experience.
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Old 3rd Apr 2022, 20:32
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Came through today of EK 17 and no issues though of Mrs Mac recommendations I had got Fast Track ticket. Lines looked quite long for normal passengers. Just trying to stay awake to get normal sleep patten back 🙂

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Old 4th Apr 2022, 08:42
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Baggage claim not going well either https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...5zfpjUGqhQGFfg
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Old 4th Apr 2022, 09:08
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Originally Posted by Mr Mac
Came through today of EK 17 and no issues though of Mrs Mac recommendations I had got Fast Track ticket. Lines looked quite long for normal passengers. Just trying to stay awake to get normal sleep patten back 🙂

Cheers
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Mr Mac,

The question is, why can't an airport (and I'm thinking of any airport, not singling out MAN) offer a decent standard for all rather then offering a "first class(?)" service to those who want to, or can afford to pay. It stinks of revenue generation through the back door. I admit I don't do much travelling by air these days, but I wonder, is it normal to have two classes of service at other airports worldwide for services such as security, baggage reclaim, immigration and the like? I know Eurotunnel offer a "queue jumping" service for those with money to throw away, and I can say the "elite" (because very few people appear to avail themselves of the service) really pi$$ off normal travellers as they try and push into the interminable lines of vehicles waiting for UKBA to do their job(sworth).
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Old 4th Apr 2022, 09:17
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Mr Mac,

The question is, why can't an airport (and I'm thinking of any airport, not singling out MAN) offer a decent standard for all rather then offering a "first class(?)" service to those who want to, or can afford to pay. It stinks of revenue generation through the back door. I admit I don't do much travelling by air these days, but I wonder, is it normal to have two classes of service at other airports worldwide for services such as security, baggage reclaim, immigration and the like? I know Eurotunnel offer a "queue jumping" service for those with money to throw away, and I can say the "elite" (because very few people appear to avail themselves of the service) really pi$$ off normal travellers as they try and push into the interminable lines of vehicles waiting for UKBA to do their job(sworth).
of course it's revenue generation. Low fares mean low airport charges - if the airlines won't pay, how are airports meant to make money?
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Old 4th Apr 2022, 09:26
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of course it's revenue generation. Low fares mean low airport charges - if the airlines won't pay, how are airports meant to make money?
The cynic in me suggests that if, as a business looking to employ such tactics, you allow stories about queues and misery to run, and don't put the necessary investment into offering a half decent service to all your customers, these kinds of "revenue generation" can, and probably do become very beneficial to the bottom line. Its actually a disgraceful way to run a customer facing business if this were the M.O.

I really don't understand why major airports, such as Manchester, don't play hard ball with the airlines, especially the usual suspects, and make them pay or leave. Often, by charging insufficient for a service or product you are behaving as a busy fool, and working smart is often better than working hard.

Do these kinds of fast track service exist in any kind of widespread way in many other countries? I suspect they might in Anglo Saxon nations such as USA, Canada, Australia but somehow doubt they would be so widespread in mainland Europe.
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I think a lot of airports don’t charge airlines atall or even pay them ! They work on making money from the passengers… parking shopping eating etc,
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