Airlines, Airports & Routes Topics about airports, routes and airline business.

Manchester-3

Old 31st Mar 2022, 22:48
  #1441 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 377
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by MANFOD
I agree it does seem strange if CX cancelled previously held slots or didn't apply for new ones if the old slots had already been cancelled. On the other hand, getting slots now shouldn't be a problem I would have thought, and it would certainly be good news for MAN if regular, rather than ad-hoc, CX flights do resume in July.
CX April flights are on 02nd and 19th, and the next two on 07th and 24th May. Our booking system then shows daily from 01st June, but I suspect that will change
Logohu is online now  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 08:42
  #1442 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: manchester
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
United

I wonder why United just canned their flights! Always pretty full and upgraded to a 767-400 prior to covid! Sane with American but their services was to say the least not that good!
Mark J Bowcock is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 10:03
  #1443 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2015
Location: stockport
Posts: 475
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Short of aircraft I believe
chaps1954 is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 10:21
  #1444 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: manchester
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by chaps1954
Short of aircraft I believe
oh ok but they can start new services all over Europe tho! And LHR gets more flights!
Mark J Bowcock is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 10:33
  #1445 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Birmingham
Age: 62
Posts: 1,027
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Mark J Bowcock
oh ok but they can start new services all over Europe tho! And LHR gets more flights!
They are ramping up LHR flights massively this Summer so aircraft not an issue, more a case of using LHR than the regions
BHX5DME is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 10:34
  #1446 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Blighty
Posts: 788
Received 87 Likes on 22 Posts
Originally Posted by Mark J Bowcock
I wonder why United just canned their flights! Always pretty full and upgraded to a 767-400 prior to covid! Sane with American but their services was to say the least not that good!
I thought United said they were returning next year?
HOVIS is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 10:59
  #1447 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 1998
Location: .
Posts: 2,988
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Logohu
CX April flights are on 02nd and 19th, and the next two on 07th and 24th May. Our booking system then shows daily from 01st June, but I suspect that will change
The problem is if you take a COVID case into HKG the flt is automatically banned for 2 weeks, so to avoid this possible disruption the flts are scheduled around 2 weeks apart for the time being and until HKG changes the rules it will stay that way unfortunately. At least MAN is still operating, in times gone by it would of been dropped completely! The first pax carrying flt out of the UK for some time departed LHR last night.
spannersatcx is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 12:00
  #1448 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: LV
Posts: 2,291
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by BHX5DME
They are ramping up LHR flights massively this Summer so aircraft not an issue, more a case of using LHR than the regions
Yet EDI upguaging to 764? (albeit temporarily(
CabinCrewe is online now  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 12:29
  #1449 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: London
Age: 42
Posts: 1,508
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Mark J Bowcock
I wonder why United just canned their flights! Always pretty full and upgraded to a 767-400 prior to covid! Sane with American but their services was to say the least not that good!
The point of sale balance was skewed massively in favour of UK originating I believe. EDI and DUB have a large % of inbound visiting US tourism, MAN less so it seems.
Skipness One Foxtrot is online now  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 13:51
  #1450 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: manchester
Posts: 61
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
The point of sale balance was skewed massively in favour of UK originating I believe. EDI and DUB have a large % of inbound visiting US tourism, MAN less so it seems.
so why run it for over 20 years then!
Mark J Bowcock is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 16:03
  #1451 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Manchester, England
Posts: 606
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Skipness One Foxtrot
The point of sale balance was skewed massively in favour of UK originating I believe. EDI and DUB have a large % of inbound visiting US tourism, MAN less so it seems.
Doesn't fully explain it, though, to be fair. For instance, how many Emiratis book DXB-MAN, yet there are two or three flights daily by the flag carrier. The destinations histoically served from MAN by US airlines were in the main big hubs and so should generate enough traffic via hubbing, wherever it originates. I can understand that many Americans still only see London as the gateway to England even when they are touring the country, but there is still a market share of the UK originating traffic up for grabs.
roverman is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 17:05
  #1452 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Northumberland
Posts: 8,344
Received 55 Likes on 37 Posts
Originally Posted by CabinCrewe
Yet EDI upguaging to 764? (albeit temporarily(
From the EDI thread - the upguage compensates for the delayed start for ORD?

Originally Posted by Planeraz
United S22

EDI-ORD

Route resumption pushed back to 1st July from ORD.

EDI-IAD

Resumes as planned from May. Aircraft upgraded to 764 for May and June. 752 from July.

ORD route I’m guessing has poor forward bookings in early summer months or United have issues with aircraft availability.

Interesting development.
SWBKCB is online now  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 18:44
  #1453 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2011
Location: London
Age: 42
Posts: 1,508
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by roverman
Doesn't fully explain it, though, to be fair. For instance, how many Emiratis book DXB-MAN, yet there are two or three flights daily by the flag carrier. The destinations histoically served from MAN by US airlines were in the main big hubs and so should generate enough traffic via hubbing, wherever it originates. I can understand that many Americans still only see London as the gateway to England even when they are touring the country, but there is still a market share of the UK originating traffic up for grabs.
As codeshares grew and markets changed it seems a decision was taken to focus elsewhere. It happens sadly, aircraft are the most mobile of assets. The growing ability of Thomas Cook to operate seasonal point to point seems to have had an affect as well as Virgin's sway as a home based carrier operating in a market skewed to UK POS. Sometimes it's easy to take a given reason for an airline to leave as a personal attack on the region (awaits the usual suspects) but it's better to understand what works and serve that. Direct SFO, LAX, BOS etc non daily worked well in the local market, United needed all those punters to fly via EWR to help fill a daily service. Not everything added to a market is net new, look how far GLA fell when routes moved across to EDI. They also lost United whereas EDI will likely end up with three daily and has strong international inbound market, like DUB. MAN (like LGW) does very well in taking Brits on holiday, a little less so in inbound LONG haul. Now maybe that will rebalance in future but I think it explains some of the thinking with AA and UA as well as DL handing over to VS. Time change, assets get redeployed.
Skipness One Foxtrot is online now  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 20:35
  #1454 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: uk
Posts: 410
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
‘Massive imbalance’ between outbound and inbound travel revealed | Travel Weekly

Flight booking data may also play a part. Outbound to the US down 10% whilst inbound from US down 24% vice 2019.
With airlines wanting to protect their slots at LHR it is I suppose inevitable that other regions may miss out at least in the short term. There are some positives in the data as far as other outbound markets are concerned so far from all doom and gloom
commit aviation is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 21:04
  #1455 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Manchester, England
Posts: 606
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by commit aviation
‘Massive imbalance’ between outbound and inbound travel revealed | Travel Weekly

Flight booking data may also play a part. Outbound to the US down 10% whilst inbound from US down 24% vice 2019.
With airlines wanting to protect their slots at LHR it is I suppose inevitable that other regions may miss out at least in the short term. There are some positives in the data as far as other outbound markets are concerned so far from all doom and gloom
Yes, for example just watching the MAN arrivals this Friday evening - multiple arrivals from Scandinavia on SK and NOZ as well as EZY and RYR - partially driven, I suspect by Scandinavian fans of MUFC, MCFC, LFC and EFC making regular trips to watch their favourite club. A good example of inbound tourism boosting the northern economy and using MAN as the gateway.
roverman is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 21:37
  #1456 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Location: earth
Posts: 943
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Looks like another day of disgruntled passengers

https://twitter.com/GilhamJane/status/1509972456156585986?t=glgqFCrCD1wv6w2en-tUzQ&s=19
​​​​​​

the lady that posted this says she had T1 Fast Track and it took 3 hours

Last edited by lfc84; 1st Apr 2022 at 22:57.
lfc84 is offline  
Old 1st Apr 2022, 22:40
  #1457 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2019
Location: UK
Posts: 60
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Managed to breeze through security last Wednesday morning in T1.
however sat onboard doors closed for 45 minutes as bags & cargo not loaded.
Departed one hour late.
Lots of pax sweating on connections.
(TAP to LIS)
HKGBOY is offline  
Old 2nd Apr 2022, 02:47
  #1458 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2001
Location: Blighty
Posts: 788
Received 87 Likes on 22 Posts
Originally Posted by lfc84
Looks like another day of disgruntled passengers

https://twitter.com/GilhamJane/status/1509972456156585986?t=glgqFCrCD1wv6w2en-tUzQ&s=19
​​​​​​

the lady that posted this says she had T1 Fast Track and it took 3 hours
Very long delays on the wide bodies today. Qatar, Turkish and Emirates suffering badly. I heard a rumour that some Swissport staff walked out! Fed up with the whole charade.
HOVIS is offline  
Old 2nd Apr 2022, 05:35
  #1459 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: 0ft
Posts: 193
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Think what people need to remember is when you turn off the travel sector and shut the world, as a total over reaction to something which wasn’t/isn’t a threat to the majority of the population, turning that sector back on was always going to be difficult.

People have left the industry for better conditions, others got sacked/took redundancy. Those skills and that experience has now gone. But filling those roles, getting them people back, will/is proving to be difficult. As people don’t see the industry as something they want to get into - due poor pay, conditions when compared to other jobs, and unstable. Your left with the staff that were kept and I wouldn’t be surprised now to see them going off long term sick with stress etc.

I also think smaller airports may fair way better - LPL, LBA, DSA, EMA, then MAN due to this press etc. What people on Twitter, and, fake news outlets such as BBC news, need to remember is the majority of airports in the U.K. are all suffering the same thing on different scales but none the less the same. The industry has been crippled and is struggling to the recover. This is the tip of the iceberg - summer is going to be one hell of a bumpy ride.
LBAflyer22 is offline  
Old 2nd Apr 2022, 07:04
  #1460 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: UK
Posts: 127
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
We did also have a working population who, rightly or wrongly, would do those low paid jobs. The country made a decision that it didn't want those people to be able to move freely into the UK and this is one of the consequences
ZULUBOY is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.