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Old 17th Jun 2021, 18:40
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Note so Ek5 and Ek01 continue to carry inbound passengers
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 18:47
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Any business that would rather furlough and conserve cash when revenue offered may be in breach of covenants and shareholder interests especially if they are a PLC . This could open up directors to potential legal action
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 19:11
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Surely conserving cash in present circumstances is very much in the shareholders interests?
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 19:37
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Agree with #493 above...First duty of directors is toward shareholders & their interests which obviously involves checks & balances in expenditure v income ie the very basics & fundamentals of business...To conserve & retain cash in the midst of a worldwide prolonged crisis is a no brainer.
Nonsense to suggest "potential legal action" could result thus.
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Old 17th Jun 2021, 21:20
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Same at MAN. Cargo only inbound. Bristol I assume is the same.
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Old 18th Jun 2021, 17:49
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My bad, you're quite right but this is VERY recent change, only in the last couple of weeks I think. Some QR and EY are also carrying inbound passengers now.
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Old 19th Jun 2021, 09:13
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Right from where exactly? come on Bristol has ZERO i mean ZERO red list routes and one local hotel; it’s laughable to be a designated airport period .
Sensibly ( through I am not sure UK national and England responsible administration know the meaning of that) the designated airport would be Heathrow, Manchester , Gatwick, Stansted and Edinburgh and maybe Farnborough along with Luton as a catch for those PVT Traffic indeed I’d suggest ONLY those airports be allowed to accept red list traffic period . I might add Birmingham at a push however their random weekly India flight would be better redirected to Heathrow at the moment. Containment is the object right now.

Still that would mean joined up thinking and central government accepting ownership but this administration won’t do that . Their very modus operandi is to dictate issue and then leave others to instigate and blame when things can’t be delivered.

I don’t withdraw my observation revenue and corporate responsibility either because had the administration acted in the national interests they would have commandeered accommodation such as done in other nations , paid compensation and truly controlled the borders rather than the current profiteering approach being taken.

Agreed right now it’s up to individual hotel chains to consider the advantages or otherwise of the red list quarantine scheme and their immediate bottom line . This is the national flaw imho. Again the administration has shifted the responsibility to commercial agents to deliver a National government security and healthcare policy of significant importance however this approach of private delivery is almost certainly based on political dogma imho.
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Old 19th Jun 2021, 09:28
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Not disputing conserving cash in and of itself is a tool, however some the covenants and other financial instruments that PLC businesses operate under can be extremely complex and many are indeed in breach of those terms right now. Large scale negotiations in many PLCs are ongoing, and that’s the observation.
It’s not a joke to say directors may be acting illegally
Now as to if many indeed any do find themselves under investigation is another thing entirely
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Old 19th Jun 2021, 12:23
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Would there be travellers coming into Bristol Airport from Red List countries via the Amsterdam hub with KLM, a link that restarted some time ago?
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Old 19th Jun 2021, 15:59
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In the tens per week maybe.

Manchester an undesignated point of entry has several Ethiopian per week , Daily Qatar and Etihad, weekly Pakistan charter, multiple daily KLM/ Air France and Lufthansa group, Finnair, SAS and resumption’s of many Ryanair. plus Aegean, TAP and Iberia offering bi directional one point onward connections worldwide.

However you try to square the round hole; right now right now Manchester remains the second airport for entry in the UK yet somehow no local Red list hotel availability is ludicrous period stop.

South Manchester has plenty of suitable hotels these days; this perhaps they don’t want the work can also be blown away, when Radesson Blu/Edwardian have the majority of the contracts and a rather suitable hotel literally yards from the terminals at Manchester.

No, this lack of a Manchester hotel is clearly politically driven and probably classical nativity at the home office as to how large Manchester Airport is !
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I think we can see where the political agenda is
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Old 19th Jun 2021, 17:35
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And so what; these decisions are being created by a political entity are they not, and therefore are by definition the essence of politics and so to counter them requires a personal political and ethical stance.

Itís rather more than a simple agenda to me; my own views on societal issues have developed over a near life time; through personal core principles remain with me to this day.

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Old 19th Jun 2021, 18:06
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Many thanks, Rutan16. Mine was a genuine question, nothing more. I can see the point that you make.
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Old 19th Jun 2021, 21:40
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AIR that pax arriving from a red list country don't have to quarantine in a hotel if they are UK residents? That probably covers most of the arrivals.
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UK residents still need to quarantine in the hotel. Being a UK resident only allows you to fly from a red list country.
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Correct .

Green no quarantine
Amber home quarantine
Red hotel quarantine

plus nuances and variations on the PCR TESTS

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Absolutely bang on Rutan. I sspect it was originally a decision from Whitehall...

"Smithers, isn't Manchester a small regional"
"indeed sir..."
"Where is it"
"somewhere in a place called The North i believe sir"
"No requirement then, excellent "
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Penetrating insight, as usual!
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The Crowne plaza next to the Clayton hotel is a red list quarantine hotel.
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And of course links to Manchester Airport from the North East and Yorkshire which were promised in the election are slowly being erased now Whitehall and the DFT civil servants are getting hold of the project.

It would be good to see MAG comment on this. It's a vital link to the airport in the same way as Crossrail will eventually be to LHR.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/opinion/columnists/leeds-to-manchester-high-speed-rail-line-remains-a-defining-test-the-yorkshire-post-says-3281142

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