Manchester-3

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by laviation

Why would BHX turn away Air China because they already handle a couple of B747s a week?

If you look at it from a route development perspective, there is a relationship to be built with Air China and surely the chances of pax ops down the line are increased.

It certainly looks to be a strategic own goal if that is indeed the case.

[laviation]

Fantastic to see Shanghai get over the line!

Juneyao Airlines - Shanghai Pudong to Manchester. Flights start 3 July 2024

HO1661 PVG 0155-0730 MAN (Wed, Fri & Sun)

HO1662 MAN 1040-0550+1 PVG (Wed, Fri & Sun)

Via SeanM on X

[Navpi]

Can't believe BHX turned them away. Its a a bit like a premiership team scouting a player for months who has expressed interest in joining only to end up joining a competitor, only for the original team to then suggest they never had any interest anyway.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by Navpi

Can't believe BHX turned them away. Its a a bit like a premiership team scouting a player for months who has expressed interest in joining only to end up joining a competitor, only for the original team to then suggest they never had any interest anyway.

Of course we don't know the facts. Perhaps Air China themselves decided that MAN fits better for them.

I am however somewhat sceptical that the airline would go to the trouble and expense of bringing in its own ground handling equipment for a 2 x weekly flight. It doesn't seem to make economic sense, but since they and all the other Chinese airlines are essentially government franchises I don't suppose economics are top of their priorities.

I looked at the Air China Cargo website this morning and can't see schedules for either BHX or MAN from CAN, but as its cargo there's still time.

[Navpi]

Indeed ATN suggests more flights.

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by Navpi

Indeed ATN suggests more flights.

It does, and given the current issues with the Red Sea / Suez shipping route, and I suspect the suspension of rail routes from China to Europe via Russia due to a 'special operation' demand must be high at present. Hence the ops from HKG to BHX and increase in all cargo services from China to BOH.

What slightly surprises me is that given MAN doesn't want cargo, and the planned arrival being mid morning when DHL are at their quietest, they haven't been directed to EMA.

[Balair]

What slightly surprises me is that given MAN doesn't want cargo, and the planned arrival being mid morning when DHL are at their quietest, they haven't been directed to EMA.[/QUOTE]

Please let’s not open up this “debate” again!

[OzzyOzBorn]

There has been a complete change of management at the top since the 'war on cargo' was front and centre at MAN. In fact, fingers tightly crossed, but the entrenched "just say no" culture appears to be evaporating across the board. Ages since the last 'no divs' NOTAM; hangars returning to constructive use; ad-hoc charters generally accepted.

CW has made an excellent start at MAN specifically, and at group level Ken O' Toole has taken over from Charlie Cornish.

It looks like FedEx are returning to MAN as well. Lufthansa Cargo were reluctant to leave, so perhaps the new team might approach them too?

[Navpi]

Originally Posted by Sioltach Dubh Glas

Ozzy posts a lot of very well-informed responses, and. I am sorry that certain members feel that they have to denigrate his thoughts and comments.

Indeed , even on this momentus day i suspect even our resident "chuckle brothers" will find something to be miserable about....!

[Rutan16]

MAG Group have already received the threat of prosecution and massive financial penalties for bait and switch under competition laws.The changes at the top mean that an approach by a carrier must be taken seriously .
And all group airports must be seen to act competitively

As for Air China would it not a resumption rather more than a new service

[rkenyon]

Originally Posted by BHX5DME

Exact same flights has been show at BHX for months but never turned up, so slots only.

Originally Posted by BHX5DME

Looks like BHX turned these flights away as too busy handling endless B744F's, a third airline operating this Saturday using YR-FSA

There's some weirdos on here

[ATNotts]

Originally Posted by rkenyon

There's some weirdos on here

I wouldn't say weirdos, more a case of telling it as it is.

If capacity on the cargo side at BHX has already been reached due to other new business that has already started operating, however bizarre that seems BHX's loss may be MAN's gain.

[TURIN]

Originally Posted by Navpi

Indeed , even on this momentus day i suspect even our resident "chuckle brothers" will find something to be miserable about....!

What's happened today, I've clearly missed something.

[GrahamK]

Originally Posted by Rutan16

As for Air China would it not a resumption rather more than a new service

Think your mixing up Air China with China Airlines

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by GrahamK

Think your mixing up Air China with China Airlines

Nope Air China Cargo served Manchester with 747 freighter scheduled services between 2007 and 2009 .

The List of former Freight operators is pretty long.

Straight off the top of my head

Air China Cargo
China Airlines
Air Hong Kong
Cathay Pacific
Some Singapore Carrier name i forget
Aeroflot
North West Orient
Air Express ( CL-44 !)
Emery ( DC-8)

And back into 70s just about every European flag carrier at stupid o’clock

Sure missed a few !

[MARK9263]

Jett8

FedEx and Lufthansa already mentioned

[Rutan16]

Originally Posted by MARK9263

Jett8

FedEx and Lufthansa already mentioned

Yeap thats the Singapore carrier thumbs up 👍

[eye2eye5]

You could add Arrow Air with DC8s to that list.

[MARK9263]

Southern International operating Mexico City via Miami 1992/93

[chaps1954]

Must say I don`t remember Air China only the very odd one in 1997 and 2015.