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For perspective, cast your mind back 20 years from where we are now. Who guessed that MAN would serve Addis Ababa with frequent widebody flights? Kuwait? Sylhet? Casablanca? Shanghai? Houston? Boa Vista? Sandefjord Torp? Rzeszow? Well done if you guessed them all back then!
1. Population growth
2. Population change
Contemporary Britain doesn't resemble 2004 in many ways, hence why long haul is more than just a Westbound holiday gig or Australia.
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I'd say RUH/BOM are both a resounding YES, CPT/SFO/TYO very strong 'Maybes' (although TYO dependent on Russia Ukraine !) and YUL a weak maybe.
The market is there for SYD but can't see that in the next decade.
There could be some surprises in store though. The routes team is doing a fantastic job, even with the already announced carriers - it feels like such a breath of fresh air !
The market is there for SYD but can't see that in the next decade.
There could be some surprises in store though. The routes team is doing a fantastic job, even with the already announced carriers - it feels like such a breath of fresh air !
It'll likely start off as mainline and wind up as single track running from a station 10 miles from the airport to an industrial estate 10 miles outside Leeds!
Not political points scoring, just observing how infrastructure development is half cocked in UK whatever party runs the show. Been like that since the middle of last century.
Not political points scoring, just observing how infrastructure development is half cocked in UK whatever party runs the show. Been like that since the middle of last century.
Johannesburg to Manchester was previously operated by the national carrier as well.
Don't forget that South African Airways operated a direct scheduled flight from Johannesburg to Manchester from 1993 till 1996, three times weekly with a Boeing 747-400.
Don't forget that South African Airways operated a direct scheduled flight from Johannesburg to Manchester from 1993 till 1996, three times weekly with a Boeing 747-400.
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AV8 did indeed operate via Dublin both ways. I had a travel agent friend who was able to get a few of us tickets for just a tenner each return as part of a company incentive to promote the flights. Sure it was only one night in Dublin but also managed to bag a 767....
See also: attempt to cap AMS movements; DUB held to ransom by green extremists; cattle herd culls ordered by politicians. Yet cows produce far less noxious gas than politicians. It's just not fair.
Jokes aside, don't under-estimate the challenge that the green agenda will present to airport growth over coming years.
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Given we are boxed in on the periphery I would love to know how we even get to 60m unless we end up with triple 777s to eg the IOM and similar, etc etc etc.
The legacy of the Ice Cream man lives on.
Personally its my belief the report, the r4 interview and the bottom line figures were for an incoming government to chew over. The cities mentioned were for the most part just a list of every international city in the world. That said some have merit and appear to be already on the horizon.
Well done KOT and CW.
The legacy of the Ice Cream man lives on.
Personally its my belief the report, the r4 interview and the bottom line figures were for an incoming government to chew over. The cities mentioned were for the most part just a list of every international city in the world. That said some have merit and appear to be already on the horizon.
Well done KOT and CW.
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Wasn't it an SP for a while?
I believe that the inaugural South African Airways flight from Manchester to Johannesburg via London Heathrow was on the 26 May 1992. The first flight was flown with ZS-SAT, a Boeing 747-300.
When South African Airways started receiving their Boeing 747-400, these started to appear in 1994 when Johannesburg to Manchester was flown nonstop and remained on the route until it ceased in 1996 or 1997.
I'm not certain of South African Airways Boeing 747SP operating on the Johannesburg to Manchester route. The flights were originally via London Heathrow. Although I could be wrong regarding the Boeing 747SP at Manchester but SAA only flew from Cape Town to London Heathrow with this variant. Obviously SAA used their small fleet of Boeing 747SP on other routes within their network at the time.
South African Airways Boeing 747-300/400 were used on Johannesburg to London Heathrow during the same period as the Manchester flights. South African Airways Boeing 747SP operated from Cape Town to London Heathrow.
Although SAA Boeing 747SPs we're regularly seen at Manchester on weather diversions from London Heathrow.
When South African Airways started receiving their Boeing 747-400, these started to appear in 1994 when Johannesburg to Manchester was flown nonstop and remained on the route until it ceased in 1996 or 1997.
I'm not certain of South African Airways Boeing 747SP operating on the Johannesburg to Manchester route. The flights were originally via London Heathrow. Although I could be wrong regarding the Boeing 747SP at Manchester but SAA only flew from Cape Town to London Heathrow with this variant. Obviously SAA used their small fleet of Boeing 747SP on other routes within their network at the time.
South African Airways Boeing 747-300/400 were used on Johannesburg to London Heathrow during the same period as the Manchester flights. South African Airways Boeing 747SP operated from Cape Town to London Heathrow.
Although SAA Boeing 747SPs we're regularly seen at Manchester on weather diversions from London Heathrow.
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I definitely remember working on their SPs at MAN. It was regular so more than the odd diversion.
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My understanding is that currently MAN is just out-of-range for non-stop flights - the extra couple of hundred miles past LHR is a stretch too far. As I mentioned in my previous post, Qantas are looking to add non-stop Paris and Rome flights and have stated they have no other European ambitions. But as you say, 2050 is a long time away so a lot can change in that time.
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The difference is around a hundred miles as they flight would likely route over the North Sea, rather than over LHR then turning north, but it's conceivable that 100 miles could be the difference as to whether the route is possible or not.
If the situation in Russia/Ukraine gets sorted, MAN-SYD would actually be slightly shorter than LHR-SYD.
If the situation in Russia/Ukraine gets sorted, MAN-SYD would actually be slightly shorter than LHR-SYD.
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Wouldn't MAN-SYD would be relatively pricey? The equivalent ULR on the B789 LHR-PER-MEL charges a premium over connecting flights and so in order to justify a dedicated direct A350 out of MAN they'd need to charge accordingly? So Emirates / Qatar via DXB/DOH would still be competitive on volume holiday makers and premium travel price? ULR remains niche due to the operational constraints of the business model?
MAN-BKK for example has a large, high volume market but doesn't see a non stop service.
Be grand to see them back though.
MAN-BKK for example has a large, high volume market but doesn't see a non stop service.
Be grand to see them back though.
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The difference is around a hundred miles as they flight would likely route over the North Sea, rather than over LHR then turning north, but it's conceivable that 100 miles could be the difference as to whether the route is possible or not.
If the situation in Russia/Ukraine gets sorted, MAN-SYD would actually be slightly shorter than LHR-SYD.
If the situation in Russia/Ukraine gets sorted, MAN-SYD would actually be slightly shorter than LHR-SYD.
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Question is; are not Qantas still quite happy with the Emirates pact as is ;said they sell more seats on a daily basis across all classes than were ever lifted on a kangaroo tail.
That data alone must be worth a princely amount .
Qantas remain very active in the region .
That data alone must be worth a princely amount .
Qantas remain very active in the region .
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Much now cut off be internecine military strife in Ukraine and the closure of Russia airspace in the resulting sanctions .
The routings east of the Himalayas across China Mongolia.and the steps was favoured also closed off at the Russian frontiers this worked well going north
The Perth flight takes advantage of ETOPs across the middle of the Indian Ocean towards the Gulf .
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I believe that the inaugural South African Airways flight from Manchester to Johannesburg via London Heathrow was on the 26 May 1992. The first flight was flown with ZS-SAT, a Boeing 747-300.
When South African Airways started receiving their Boeing 747-400, these started to appear in 1984 when Johannesburg to Manchester was flown nonstop and remained on the route until it ceased in 1996 or 1997.
I'm not certain of South African Airways Boeing 747SP operating on the Johannesburg to Manchester route. The flights were originally via London Heathrow. Although I could be wrong regarding the Boeing 747SP at Manchester but SAA only flew from Cape Town to London Heathrow with this variant. Obviously SAA used their small fleet of Boeing 747SP on other routes within their network at the time.
South African Airways Boeing 747-300/400 were used on Johannesburg to London Heathrow during the same period as the Manchester flights. South African Airways Boeing 747SP operated from Cape Town to London Heathrow.
Although SAA Boeing 747SPs we're regularly seen at Manchester on weather diversions from London Heathrow.
When South African Airways started receiving their Boeing 747-400, these started to appear in 1984 when Johannesburg to Manchester was flown nonstop and remained on the route until it ceased in 1996 or 1997.
I'm not certain of South African Airways Boeing 747SP operating on the Johannesburg to Manchester route. The flights were originally via London Heathrow. Although I could be wrong regarding the Boeing 747SP at Manchester but SAA only flew from Cape Town to London Heathrow with this variant. Obviously SAA used their small fleet of Boeing 747SP on other routes within their network at the time.
South African Airways Boeing 747-300/400 were used on Johannesburg to London Heathrow during the same period as the Manchester flights. South African Airways Boeing 747SP operated from Cape Town to London Heathrow.
Although SAA Boeing 747SPs we're regularly seen at Manchester on weather diversions from London Heathrow.