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And surely the Arrow Air DC-8 cargo flights previously seen at Manchester were ad hoc charters rather than a full scheduled cargo service.
I could well be wrong, but I'm not aware of Arrow Air ever previously operating fully fledged cargo flights into the UK, especially on a scheduled basis.
But again, I stand to be corrected.
Of course, passenger flights by Arrow Air DC-8 and DC-10 were regularly seen in the UK and, in particular, at LGW, where the airline flew scheduled flights from Denver and Tampa during the mid 80s.
There must have been loads of ad-hoc cargo flights into Manchester over the years, but I think the topic is regarding fully fledged scheduled cargo flights rather than including ad-hoc cargo movements.
I could well be wrong, but I'm not aware of Arrow Air ever previously operating fully fledged cargo flights into the UK, especially on a scheduled basis.
But again, I stand to be corrected.
Of course, passenger flights by Arrow Air DC-8 and DC-10 were regularly seen in the UK and, in particular, at LGW, where the airline flew scheduled flights from Denver and Tampa during the mid 80s.
There must have been loads of ad-hoc cargo flights into Manchester over the years, but I think the topic is regarding fully fledged scheduled cargo flights rather than including ad-hoc cargo movements.
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Nope Air China Cargo served Manchester with 747 freighter scheduled services between 2007 and 2009 .
The List of former Freight operators is pretty long.
Straight off the top of my head
Air China Cargo
China Airlines
Air Hong Kong
Cathay Pacific
Some Singapore Carrier name i forget
Aeroflot
North West Orient
Air Express ( CL-44 !)
Emery ( DC-8)
And back into 70s just about every European flag carrier at stupid o’clock
Sure missed a few !
The List of former Freight operators is pretty long.
Straight off the top of my head
Air China Cargo
China Airlines
Air Hong Kong
Cathay Pacific
Some Singapore Carrier name i forget
Aeroflot
North West Orient
Air Express ( CL-44 !)
Emery ( DC-8)
And back into 70s just about every European flag carrier at stupid o’clock
Sure missed a few !
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Manchester has a conurbation larger than many European cities, its borderline preposterous that there are no pure freight flights.
MAN finally being held to account putting capacity where demand originates not artificial deflection 2 hours away. CW won't what any black marks on the CV.
As has been said since the Ice Cream man was sidelined from day to day operations the improvement in performance across all depts has been significant.
MAN finally being held to account putting capacity where demand originates not artificial deflection 2 hours away. CW won't what any black marks on the CV.
As has been said since the Ice Cream man was sidelined from day to day operations the improvement in performance across all depts has been significant.
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Nope Air China Cargo served Manchester with 747 freighter scheduled services between 2007 and 2009 .
The List of former Freight operators is pretty long.
Straight off the top of my head
Air China Cargo
China Airlines
Air Hong Kong
Cathay Pacific
Some Singapore Carrier name i forget
Aeroflot
North West Orient
Air Express ( CL-44 !)
Emery ( DC-8)
And back into 70s just about every European flag carrier at stupid o’clock
Sure missed a few !
The List of former Freight operators is pretty long.
Straight off the top of my head
Air China Cargo
China Airlines
Air Hong Kong
Cathay Pacific
Some Singapore Carrier name i forget
Aeroflot
North West Orient
Air Express ( CL-44 !)
Emery ( DC-8)
And back into 70s just about every European flag carrier at stupid o’clock
Sure missed a few !
I'm pretty sure Transamerica ran a regular cargo operation in their own name with stretched DC-8s but this might have been a precursor to Emery taking the service over with metal in their own colours. I can even remember the inbound callsign Transamerica 668 being used. It was a couple of years earlier than the Rosenbalm operation. I've an old MAN Airport glossy rag somewhere with a Transamerica 8 pictured on one of the 60s stands.
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I certainly remember the Rosenbalm flights. I may be incorrect with regards to Arrow Air, I do remember them arriving frequently although it was some time ago!
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Loaders capable of main desck loading can be used for loading containers into the belly as well. It would be surprising if any equipment was solely for the use of Air China, sure the handlers can find plenty of work for it.
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Is four in a week an endless flow? Of course there is more to handling freight than getting it on and off the aircraft, so it could be the warehousing/distribution etc is a bottleneck.
Loaders capable of main desck loading can be used for loading containers into the belly as well. It would be surprising if any equipment was solely for the use of Air Chine, sure the handlers can find plenty of work for it.
Loaders capable of main desck loading can be used for loading containers into the belly as well. It would be surprising if any equipment was solely for the use of Air Chine, sure the handlers can find plenty of work for it.
The China all cargo bubble will probably subside when Suez reopens, and both the current BHX and potential Air China MAN operations could end as quickly as they begin.
Both airports need to make the proverbial hay while the sun shines.
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There are multiple daily freight Chinese flights into Stansted which have operated for years, that is in isolation of any issues with the Suez Canal.
A significant proportion of that freight originates and is bound for the North of England as indeed it was 10 years ago.
The demise of MAN flights and the subsequent ten years worth of additional expansion remains freight which was artificially diverted from Manchester. See Also EMA.
By way of example there are 4 today 5 Monday.
I would have thought you are simply putting the flights back where the demand orginates, demand which has been there for years. Must confess I'm hopeful we will see some of that STN traffic diverted back to Manchester.
A significant proportion of that freight originates and is bound for the North of England as indeed it was 10 years ago.
The demise of MAN flights and the subsequent ten years worth of additional expansion remains freight which was artificially diverted from Manchester. See Also EMA.
By way of example there are 4 today 5 Monday.
I would have thought you are simply putting the flights back where the demand orginates, demand which has been there for years. Must confess I'm hopeful we will see some of that STN traffic diverted back to Manchester.
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So far in 2024 we have had announcements the following new airlines or reinstated airlines
Royal Jordanian Airlines
Royal Air Maroc
Air China Cargo
Luxair
China Eastern
Southwind Airlines
Rumours may return in near future
Fedex
Lufthansa Cargo
Royal Jordanian Airlines
Royal Air Maroc
Air China Cargo
Luxair
China Eastern
Southwind Airlines
Rumours may return in near future
Fedex
Lufthansa Cargo
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Seems to me that people seeing applications for slots can be too quick to assume a route is starting.
Sometimes slots can be put in for strategically with no real plan yet to commence on that date, if at all.
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How many of the above have actually been officially announced by the airline and/or airports involved? How many are actually bookable?
Seems to me that people seeing applications for slots can be too quick to assume a route is starting.
Sometimes slots can be put in for strategically with no real plan yet to commence on that date, if at all.
Seems to me that people seeing applications for slots can be too quick to assume a route is starting.
Sometimes slots can be put in for strategically with no real plan yet to commence on that date, if at all.
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I think it was due to the sleeping Russian partners and owner of Southwind that scuppered their UK and EU expansion objectives.
Given the confirmation of Juneyao start date in July I don’t expect China Eastern to compete. ( Maybe wrong however the one airline one route rule and the fact that Juneyao are within the same sphere of influence as MU would suggest otherwise)
Luxair has been bootable for months
Alia already started at both MAG prime airports
RAM due to open shortly a somewhat accelerated return from them ( maybe down to temporary suspension of Tel Aviv and availability of a freed up 737 ?)
What MAG needs for 2024/5 now must surely be United and or American.
Within Europe what’s really left LOT and or ITA and the ever reliable Air Baltic ( here today gone tomorrow but back next week) and one or other of the former Yugoslav carriers I suppose.
What I would also like to see a restoration of Larnaca year round.
Anything else is incremental now something along the lines of the third Swiss restored, Lyon year round, Nantes on Orange ( Harp service is rubbish ) and a consistent daily flight on Iberia ( Express)
Given the confirmation of Juneyao start date in July I don’t expect China Eastern to compete. ( Maybe wrong however the one airline one route rule and the fact that Juneyao are within the same sphere of influence as MU would suggest otherwise)
Luxair has been bootable for months
Alia already started at both MAG prime airports
RAM due to open shortly a somewhat accelerated return from them ( maybe down to temporary suspension of Tel Aviv and availability of a freed up 737 ?)
What MAG needs for 2024/5 now must surely be United and or American.
Within Europe what’s really left LOT and or ITA and the ever reliable Air Baltic ( here today gone tomorrow but back next week) and one or other of the former Yugoslav carriers I suppose.
What I would also like to see a restoration of Larnaca year round.
Anything else is incremental now something along the lines of the third Swiss restored, Lyon year round, Nantes on Orange ( Harp service is rubbish ) and a consistent daily flight on Iberia ( Express)
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[QUOTE=Rutan16;11617864]I think it was due to the sleeping Russian partners and owner of Southwind that scuppered their UK and EU expansion objectives.
Given the confirmation of Juneyao start date in July I don’t expect China Eastern to compete. ( Maybe wrong however the one airline one route rule and the fact that Juneyao are within the same sphere of influence as MU would suggest otherwise)
I believe Juneyao replaces China Eastern
Given the confirmation of Juneyao start date in July I don’t expect China Eastern to compete. ( Maybe wrong however the one airline one route rule and the fact that Juneyao are within the same sphere of influence as MU would suggest otherwise)
I believe Juneyao replaces China Eastern
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Isn’t that what I said ; it was one or t’other !
Juneyao are around 25-30% owned by the same Chinese regional “development” and government bodies as are China Eastern anyway.
Remenber the Chinese Aviation industry is little more than a Ponzi scheme, international projection and manipulation of the three alliances is their goal 🤔👍
I think it was due to the sleeping Russian partners and owner of Southwind that scuppered their UK and EU expansion objectives.
Given the confirmation of Juneyao start date in July I don’t expect China Eastern to compete. ( Maybe wrong however the one airline one route rule and the fact that Juneyao are within the same sphere of influence as MU would suggest otherwise)
I believe Juneyao replaces China Eastern
Given the confirmation of Juneyao start date in July I don’t expect China Eastern to compete. ( Maybe wrong however the one airline one route rule and the fact that Juneyao are within the same sphere of influence as MU would suggest otherwise)
I believe Juneyao replaces China Eastern
Juneyao are around 25-30% owned by the same Chinese regional “development” and government bodies as are China Eastern anyway.
Remenber the Chinese Aviation industry is little more than a Ponzi scheme, international projection and manipulation of the three alliances is their goal 🤔👍