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Old 17th Mar 2024, 17:27
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MU may still happen as it is believed special dispensation has been secured.
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Old 17th Mar 2024, 17:53
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I also read the same thing, so still puts China Eastern in the game.
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Old 17th Mar 2024, 22:41
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Originally Posted by Rutan16
I think it was due to the sleeping Russian partners and owner of Southwind that scuppered their UK and EU expansion objectives.

Given the confirmation of Juneyao start date in July I don’t expect China Eastern to compete. ( Maybe wrong however the one airline one route rule and the fact that Juneyao are within the same sphere of influence as MU would suggest otherwise)

Luxair has been bootable for months
Alia already started at both MAG prime airports
RAM due to open shortly a somewhat accelerated return from them ( maybe down to temporary suspension of Tel Aviv and availability of a freed up 737 ?)

What MAG needs for 2024/5 now must surely be United and or American.

Within Europe what’s really left LOT and or ITA and the ever reliable Air Baltic ( here today gone tomorrow but back next week) and one or other of the former Yugoslav carriers I suppose.

What I would also like to see a restoration of Larnaca year round.

Anything else is incremental now something along the lines of the third Swiss restored, Lyon year round, Nantes on Orange ( Harp service is rubbish ) and a consistent daily flight on Iberia ( Express)
Totally agree MAN needs to attract eastern european airlines

Never understand how we can not make a EMB.175/195 work with LOT to Warsaw daily
Also we should be able to fill a Tarom flight 2-3 a week to Bucarest, not to mention Air Baltic, however russian air space might play into onward connections
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Old 17th Mar 2024, 23:09
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LOT may well start in next year or so but Air Baltic have tried MAN twice and it failed twice so I tend to doubt it
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Old 18th Mar 2024, 00:03
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Air Baltic made the baffling decision to launch MAN-RIX 4 x weekly AFTER covid had taken hold. I had a booking with them but was not allowed to travel due covid restrictions. They refunded me with vouchers. I made five new bookings with them once covid restrictions were finally eased, but I promptly received an email saying four of those bookings were cancelled as the flight was being axed.

The flight I did do turned out to be one of the last on the service. It was full. I despair of decision making like this. What were Air Baltic management thinking?

There is definitely a strong case for giving it a proper go. We’re actually allowed to board the bloomin’ plane now. And Latvia is letting us foreigners in again! SIGH.
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Old 18th Mar 2024, 08:31
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Of course they were in most days operating for SAS, Swiss and Eurowings during the A220/A320neo problems
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Old 18th Mar 2024, 08:46
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Adding on to this, Riga has had a 97% load factor average over the past three months. The demand is there for Air Baltic. Will they return? You’d think so.
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Old 18th Mar 2024, 09:36
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Arup report

City AM have a news item today "Manchester airport could add £16.3 bn per year to UK economy..." based on an Arup report + comments by MAG CEO.

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Old 18th Mar 2024, 09:47
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Manchester Airports Group chief executive Ken O’Toole said: “Any government serious about rebalancing the country would want all major cities and towns to have fast and easy rail access to the world through their nearest international gateway – and here in the North that is Manchester Airport. That is why it is critical plans for a new east-west high speed network, with the Airport at its heart, are delivered as soon as possible. This report spells out the size of the prize and we look forward to work with business and political partners in the North, as well as whoever goes on to lead the country, to ensure that vision becomes a reality.”
https://www.cityam.com/manchester-ai...0-report-shows
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Old 18th Mar 2024, 10:25
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He was interviewed on R4 Today this morning.
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Old 18th Mar 2024, 17:03
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The report from engineering consultant Arup, which modelled four scenarios for the Northern economy with different levels of policy support and growth, ..... found the airport could secure direct flights to 50 new cities including Sydney, Tokyo, Montreal, Mumbai, Riyadh, San Francisco and Cape Town.

It added that 25 new short-haul routes could also be unlocked, with total passenger volumes.... rising to as high as 60m per year..... – compared with their current level of 27m.
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Old 19th Mar 2024, 16:44
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Sydney, No way
Tokyo, Doubt it
Montreal, Why Montreal over the other cities?
Mumbai, Maybe
Riyadh, Maybe
San Francisco No Been there done that
Cape Town No


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Old 19th Mar 2024, 18:36
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Originally Posted by VickersVicount
Sydney, No way
Tokyo, Doubt it
Montreal, Why Montreal over the other cities?
Mumbai, Maybe
Riyadh, Maybe
San Francisco No Been there done that
Cape Town No
I'd say RUH/BOM are both a resounding YES, CPT/SFO/TYO very strong 'Maybes' (although TYO dependent on Russia Ukraine !) and YUL a weak maybe.

The market is there for SYD but can't see that in the next decade.

There could be some surprises in store though. The routes team is doing a fantastic job, even with the already announced carriers - it feels like such a breath of fresh air !
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Old 19th Mar 2024, 19:08
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Jet did operate MAN-BOM, however the demise of Jet put paid to that route and no one picked it up again, Covid etc etc the timings were not good. In my opinion BOM will return not if, but when, AI are taking delivery of their new A350s very quickly now, so this should free up 787/777 for utilisation on other/new routes. Hopefully DEL will not be far behind.

I would think we would see a much needed return of MAN-YVR before a YUL service.

As for other new routes lets see what the following weeks bring. As Iaviation says the routes team at MAN are doing an amazing job, keep up the good work.
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Old 20th Mar 2024, 01:09
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I can't see any takers for a route to Sydney. Qantas have no interest as their European ambitions are limited to LHR, Rome and Paris. The only other Australian airline that could jump in would be Jetstar but I think the route is way too long for them. There is no possibility of BA starting that route out of MAN, and although I have no insider knowledge I can't see Virgin taking it on either.
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Old 20th Mar 2024, 03:43
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The timescale referenced in that report is effectively a generation. It will take a LONG time for MAN to more than double it's throughput ... and that is without the (sadly likely) prospect of further damaging wars and financial crises. Anything can happen over 20 years or so ... it is pointless to speculate about which new routes will be operating. And it is quite conceivable that SYD will be within range from MAN for long-haul types by then.

For perspective, cast your mind back 20 years from where we are now. Who guessed that MAN would serve Addis Ababa with frequent widebody flights? Kuwait? Sylhet? Casablanca? Shanghai? Houston? Boa Vista? Sandefjord Torp? Rzeszow? Well done if you guessed them all back then!
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Old 20th Mar 2024, 07:25
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Exactly. Lot of water to go under the bridge between now and 2050, so pretty speculative....

Produced by Arup, it states that between now and 2050, the Northern gateway could secure direct flights to 50 new world-leading cities including Sydney, Tokyo, Montreal, Mumbai, Riyadh, San Francisco and Cape Town, driving passenger volumes to as high as 60m a year.
https://mediacentre.manchesterairpor...f-the-economy/
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Old 20th Mar 2024, 07:54
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Apart from Sydney, the routes mentioned are not 20 years away. Two or three of them could easily be boxed off within 12 months, while the rest may take a few years.

More prospective routes would be the likes of Sao Paulo, Mexico City, Denver, Nairobi, etc.

If we're talking yearly PAX throughput, well 40 mppa by 2030 is a challenge but is definitely achievable. That'd be a start.
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Old 20th Mar 2024, 10:30
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The airlines know where people connect to and as far as I am aware Bangkok was always top of the list of connecting pax to a destination not served direct. When I used to fly to HKG with Finnair, the Helsinki flights were always full of people connecting onwards to BKK. (For HKG used both CX and AY- but the AY was better as a night flight was preferred over the morning CX-and of course less expensive)
Disappointing to see that Air Transit has not re-instated a seasonal Vancouver. AV8 also used to fly direct to Cape Town with a leased Icelandair 767, unfortunately often needed a fuel stop on the return in Palma- so that probably weakened the viability-then of course AV8 demised.
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Old 20th Mar 2024, 11:00
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AV8 didn`t last long, was it a season or less.
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