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Old 5th Oct 2020, 20:20
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Originally Posted by Jonty
Not just holidays though is it? Also how many jobs could be saved by doing this and breathing some life back into the aviation industry?
My sentiments exactly!
I have flown twice on business since mid July from the UK to France and Germany. But now due to the many restrictions and quarantine rules all over Europe, I am essentially grounded!
A colleague of mine spent 5 days recently in France for business and flew back via Germany as no direct flight to his final destination. He paid to have a test in France 3 days before his departure to Germany and had the results 24hrs later which he provided to the German authorities on arrival. Stayed in a hotel overnight, the next day had another test at the airport in Germany (free) and again results available 24hrs later (both negative). But because he originated in France, he still has to quarantine for 14 days in the UK, despite having 2 negative tests within 5 days in two different countries. Good job he can also work from home and is on partial furlough!
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Dubai,The COVID‑19 PCR test is no longer required for all passengers

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Old 6th Oct 2020, 09:58
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Originally Posted by MANFAN
My sentiments exactly!
I have flown twice on business since mid July from the UK to France and Germany. But now due to the many restrictions and quarantine rules all over Europe, I am essentially grounded!
A colleague of mine spent 5 days recently in France for business and flew back via Germany as no direct flight to his final destination. He paid to have a test in France 3 days before his departure to Germany and had the results 24hrs later which he provided to the German authorities on arrival. Stayed in a hotel overnight, the next day had another test at the airport in Germany (free) and again results available 24hrs later (both negative). But because he originated in France, he still has to quarantine for 14 days in the UK, despite having 2 negative tests within 5 days in two different countries. Good job he can also work from home and is on partial furlough!
To listen to the media you'd think that the only reason people travelled by air was for "holidays"!

It's business travel that keeps the air travel sector ,in business in the northern hemisphere during the winter season, and the UK quarantine regulations will leave many would be business travellers grounded, as indeed you are effectively. Sure for the likes of TUI and Jet2 their business is by and large holidays, less so the likes of Easyjet, Ryanair and BA.

Of course with the disastrous level of new infections in UK presently, it is only a matter of time before the likes of Germany, Italy and Sweden (to name but three) put the UK on their risk lists, requiring quarantine on arrival.
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Old 6th Oct 2020, 10:12
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Italy will issue a new decree tomorrow, effectively updating the decree of 22 Sept to take account of the current situation
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Oooops... Government to reveal new travel taskforce delaying Covid19 testing at airports until next month at the earliest in a further blow to the airline industry...
The Guardian...
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 05:10
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Reference airport testing, I think I read somewhere that people who are airport tested will still have to quarantine but for a shorter period or am I wrong?

The reason for asking is that at Trump’s super spreader event, which was a week ago, those in quarantine that were testing negative every day since are still coming up positive a week later.

From the BBC
Mr Miller, who has been self-isolating for the past five days, confirmed he had contracted coronavirus on Tuesday. In a statement, Mr Miller said he had been "testing negative every day" until Tuesday, adding that he was now in quarantine.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 16:52
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proposals could mean the loss of 465 jobs at Manchester Airport, with 376 roles at London Stansted and 51 positions at East Midlands also under threat.
"MAG and other UK airports remain fundamentally strong businesses that will play an important role in driving the country’s recovery, but the specific and short term pressures of the pandemic are exceptional and particularly challenging for our sector.

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Old 7th Oct 2020, 17:03
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It can't be long before the latest victims for the UK's naughty step are announced.

I'm going for Sweden, and possibly Canada as their cases are really starting to tick up quite rapidly.
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 19:40
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To put things slightly in to perspective, a local distributor for one of the worlds largest airline manufacturers has sold 3 flight deck cockpit windows in 5 months with a warehouse full of stock. Desperate and devastating times for all in the aviation sector!!

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Old 7th Oct 2020, 22:02
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On the subject of airport testing I fail to see how this is the silver bullet everyone hopes it will be.

The reported cost of 150 per passenger. I can't see a huge take up of this.

Then there is the question of the supply on production of tests. How many will be required on a daily basis for UK arrivals?
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Old 7th Oct 2020, 22:50
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Originally Posted by TimmyW
On the subject of airport testing I fail to see how this is the silver bullet everyone hopes it will be.

The reported cost of 150 per passenger. I can't see a huge take up of this.

Then there is the question of the supply on production of tests. How many will be required on a daily basis for UK arrivals?
If you flying Business or First then it is a tiny cost, however majoity of people don't fly this way.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 04:41
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BBC reports that the English government is considering a ban on overnight stays away from home. In much of North and South Wales the Welsh Government has already introduced even more tougher measures than this, which is stopping my holiday to there this month.

It would be a brave soul that booked and paid for any sort of holiday even into early next year with or without airport testing.

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Old 8th Oct 2020, 07:32
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BBC reports that the English government is considering a ban on overnight stays away from home.
In some areas, not a blanket ban (npi).
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 07:50
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Well that would put a stop to millions of people who live in the north of England if they managed to find a safe place to go. Why any safe country would want to accept someone from the likes of Manchester is another story.

What a nightmare, I am full of gloom and it is hard to see any light.
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Old 8th Oct 2020, 08:40
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Originally Posted by LTNman
What a nightmare, I am full of gloom and it is hard to see any light.
It is called Depression and while a lot of stuff is banter on here, what you are suggesting is likely not.

Suggest have a chat with a professional because reality is many people of all ages are suffering from it, who in normal time never had an issue. A GP friend I had dinner with at the weekend has seen a significant rise in cases since lockdown stopped because it has shaken the pillars many people relied on. It is your call and ultimately none of my business.

This does apply to others who read this as well, please chat to a professional rather than doing nothing.

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Old 8th Oct 2020, 12:35
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Italy now want proof of recent negative test for arrivals from UK or quaratine
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Talk of possible 2% rise in UK APD on medium/long haul from 1.1.21
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Talk of possible 2% rise in UK APD on medium/long haul from 1.1.21
In Tax year 2019-20 the likely tax take on APD was in excess of 4 billion, in 2020-21 it will be lucky to reach 400 million, 2 % rise adds nothing.
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Why any safe country would want to accept someone from the likes of Manchester is another story.
Whilst Manchester is reporting very high infection rates right now, local reports show the positive tests are particularly concentrated in the student accommodation at the two large universities. Infections are not randomly distributed amongst the general population. So perhaps precautionary measures could be more nuanced.

Nevertheless, the likelihood of a 'no overnight stays away from home' edict being announced on Monday means I've had to cancel a trip to Devon next week. Very frustrating. But my hotel could only be cancelled without penalty upto midnight on Sunday. Another masterpiece of timing by me there!

On the matter of airport testing, the other issue is that countries insist on three days recency of testing. So that 150 per person would not just be a one-off. It would have to be repeated for every trip. Not exactly a compelling proposition to rush off and book cheap no-frills air tickets on the back of this.
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Old 9th Oct 2020, 05:43
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It was inevitable that there were going to be major outbreaks at universities, as I was following what was happening on NBC nightly news when the American universities went back a month earlier. It was also inevitable that there was going to be a second wave in the general population here after seeing the signs in much of Europe. When people mix the virus eventually spreads, it is as simple as that. If people stop mixing like in the first lock down cases drop. The hard bit for all governments around the world is getting the balance right, which is not helped in our case by those that ignore the rules and a lack of testing and tracing.

With a virus that is once again out of control there will be even less inclination for the travelling public to sit next to a random stranger for a few hours when we are all told to socially distance to help protect ourselves. The reasons for that reluctance will include the possibility of death, getting long Covid and giving it to older family members. Obviously some will consider the risks as acceptable but most won’t. Getting a test at the airport reduces the quarantine period but offers little else in the way of comfort.

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