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Old 3rd Aug 2020, 20:58
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BA LGW short-haul routes are staying at LHR until 9 November at the earliest.
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Old 4th Aug 2020, 18:19
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Maybe BA should have held on to BHX and MAN as bases
MAN, yes. As for BHX, I don't think you could make a profit there. Same goes for GLA and BFS as bases.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 10:15
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MAN, yes. As for BHX, I don't think you could make a profit there. Same goes for GLA and BFS as bases.
When BA had their base and hub at BHX it was said to be quite lucrative since the NEC and ICC attracted decent yielding passengers; I suspect that if the bean counters had wanted MAN and BHX to be profitable they could have produced figures that could have made both thus. They chose not to, and the rest is history.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 10:47
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MAN, yes. As for BHX, I don't think you could make a profit there. Same goes for GLA and BFS as bases.
Im not sure thats quite true. The returns on investment at LHR and LGW were much better than at regional airports. Thats not the same as not being profitable. Clearly the 29 million passengers in MAN during 2019 wont all have been loss-making. STN is a similar argument - BA are quite happy to use it at the weekends when their LCY fleet would otherwise be grounded.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 13:22
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When BA had their base and hub at BHX it was said to be quite lucrative since the NEC and ICC attracted decent yielding passengers; I suspect that if the bean counters had wanted MAN and BHX to be profitable they could have produced figures that could have made both thus. They chose not to, and the rest is history.
They were only ‘lucrative’ back then because they routinely commanded ridiculous fares and had little in the way of direct regional competition. Neither of which is feasible nowadays.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 13:40
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Was always lead to believe BHX was quite a profitable operation. Having said that BA had it all to themselves, even the European flag carriers tended to leave BHX alone until relatively recently
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 14:00
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"Back then" was in the days before LCCs were anywhere near as large as they are now. BA sold their regional ops in the form of BA Connect to Flybe (or rather paid Flybe to them off BA's hands) in 2007 for a reason
The days of each country having a national state-owned monopoly airline are largely gone (except for Alitalia !) - so each airline has to decide the market sectors it thinks it can do well - trying to be all things to all people just leads to AirBerlin
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 14:32
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Was always lead to believe BHX was quite a profitable operation. Having said that BA had it all to themselves, even the European flag carriers tended to leave BHX alone until relatively recently
That is a very important consideration, however all the carriers made hay while the NEC / ICC sun shone, and probably still do, even more so with FlyBe out of the way (or should I say will, when and if the exhibition and convention business ever fully recovers). The problem of course for BA was filling the A319s, and later RJ100s when there wasn't a big show or convention on.
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Old 5th Aug 2020, 15:17
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BA set up their own LCC in the form of GO, which could easily have made a Go of it from places like MAN, long before the others were significantly on the scene. Instead they flogged it off and concentrated on ploughing funds into the Manx/Regional proving the case that regional flying was dead for BA. I'd say it proved what they wanted to prove.
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 11:41
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TU now reporting all SH at LGW to cease and be transferred to LHR. Hangar to close and only about a dozen LH routes to be retained.

Appalling! If True of course. Good luck everyone.
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 12:30
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GO was heavily subsidised often engineering and fuel bills were payed by the destination stations from the BA accounts!
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 14:05
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I know hindsight is a wonderful thing - at the time I believe BA said that GO as a low cost carrier wasn’t in their DNA or fit their strategy but if they had grown it (and it was growing fast) things could be different. It would now fit nicely in the IAG stable alongside VY and EI (or merged with one). I also think they made a strategic mistake not to extend the GB Airways franchise or buy it and they would have had a much stronger hold at LGW and prevented the Orange expansion (GB were 3rd biggest slot holder with 10-12 a/c). How much did they pay for the former MON slots ? As I say though hindsight is a wonderful thing. Some big strategic mistakes though ?
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 14:49
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Well they bought CityFlyer which had a nice low cost base at Gatwick but lost the low cost element when they folded it into BA - oh and they did the same with Dan Air. BA has never liked Gatwick. From time to time they give it a go - remember “the hub without hubbub “? but it never lasts.
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 15:10
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BA, like many long established corporates has a 'culture' and each new generation of staff who join find themselves unable to break through that culture. I have seen this in many enterprises, not just airlines.

It is all part of the human desire to keep things the way that they were and difficulty in seeing what they might become. Which is how old companies die and new ones are born. In the (I think) late 1970s, British Rail experimented with ways to reduce cost of their multiple diesel units on small routes. They took a body from a coach and put it on bogies (obviously more complicated than that!) but it didn't work. Many years later, it came out that some of the senior BR men had thought, "It didn't look like a train" Sums it up.
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 16:18
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BA, like many long established corporates has a 'culture' and each new generation of staff who join find themselves unable to break through that culture. I have seen this in many enterprises, not just airlines.

It is all part of the human desire to keep things the way that they were and difficulty in seeing what they might become. Which is how old companies die and new ones are born. In the (I think) late 1970s, British Rail experimented with ways to reduce cost of their multiple diesel units on small routes. They took a body from a coach and put it on bogies (obviously more complicated than that!) but it didn't work. Many years later, it came out that some of the senior BR men had thought, "It didn't look like a train" Sums it up.
That would be the Leyland National bus on a rail bogey - called the Sprinter. Frankly any decent sprinter could have sprinted faster!!
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 16:19
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They took a body from a coach and put it on bogies (obviously more complicated than that!) but it didn't work.
At the risk of thread drift, it did work, or at the very least, it came to fruition. Class 140 to 144 trains (Pacers, as they're known) are still plaguing customers today on Northern Trains and I think a couple of other TOCs even now.

Is there any more news on the BA short-haul LGW reports? Seismic change if true.

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Old 7th Aug 2020, 18:35
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My BA flight from INV to LHR has been cancelled a third time. I’m never getting home!
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 18:50
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Better start walking then!
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 19:00
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So it's EZY or the train or is the overnight coach running?
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Old 7th Aug 2020, 19:01
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Sad news today about BA CC - I can’t however help but think members should not have put their blind trust in the intransigent and frankly incompetent BASSA reps. A policy of not talking and saying no to everything for months (until it was too late) was, like previously, never going to end well. Whilst BALPA may not have got a great deal, the engagement and constructive talks at least prevented a far worse outcome. Sad.
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