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Old 28th Feb 2020, 21:29
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Originally Posted by Wycombe View Post
Slightly old news, as it has since come to light that NWI won't even start.

Yes, Flybe will not fly from NQY to GLA, NCL, LPL or DSA this Summer as they did last year (and Logan have stepped in on 2 of those), but they are growing flights to MAN and EDI compared to previous years ops. That suggests that they are focussing on the routes that may work best.
I think BE are at last getting to grip with things after some pretty dire management decisions in the not too distant past .
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Old 28th Feb 2020, 22:21
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Originally Posted by davidjohnson6 View Post
If CV turns nasty on a global basis, Delta, Virgin and Stobart will be focussing on saving their own core business - Flybe will not be a priority
Alternatively in an extreme corona downturn Flybe could be an asset because itís a lot cheaper sending an empty Dash to Jersey on your Heathrow slot than an empty Dreamliner to New York
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Old 28th Feb 2020, 22:24
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Originally Posted by AirportPlanner1 View Post
Alternatively in an extreme corona downturn Flybe could be an asset because itís a lot cheaper sending an empty Dash to Jersey on your Heathrow slot than an empty Dreamliner to New York
That's not really a longterm, sustainable or sensible business plan that will give it a long term future.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 07:33
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Originally Posted by Jenny Tails View Post
It's the last day for several of the admin/ops/marketing guys at EGTE and around the regions today.

I'd like to wish them well and thank them for their support and skills over the years!
I heard that these Ďseveralí staff totalled closer to 400. 😳
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 07:42
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Originally Posted by Chidken Sangwich View Post
I heard that these Ďseveralí staff totalled closer to 400. 😳
Suggest you get your hearing checked then. Absolutely untrue.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 08:20
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Good to hear the chaff is sorted however , Given the regularity of main landing gear collapses , engine failures , nose gear not deploying ETC they need the best aviators possible at the controls of those turkeys .
Would the poster perhaps elaborate, figures, statistics and comparisons with other types, other carriers perhaps?? No thought not.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 09:27
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Originally Posted by VHF4 View Post
https://www.aeroinside.com/incidents/airline/flybe

Unprecedented number of engine shuts downs in a very short space of time not to mention gear failures,

Compare this with easy jet for example who of course operate far more aircraft .

Incredible actually given the number of engine in flight shut downs and gear failures the regulator has not acted .
Be careful here VHF4. The important fact is, the in flight engine shutdowns are NOT linked with several different contributing factors. All were handled IAW correct procedure by the crews extremely well. Please don't assume and link them together. It looks like you are trying to paint a big picture that is not correct.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 09:39
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The regulator has not intervened because the operation is perfectly safe.
Please stop trawling the web looking for negative information.
Can't you find anything better to do?
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 10:21
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13 year old news.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 10:59
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Yes, it is perfectly safe airline with i am sure great crews but its a horrid aircraft. Thats a criticism of the vomit burp inducing design and vintage flight deck not in any way how crews operate it. Anyway, my criticism is that i heard a rumour no-one but senior management knew the airline had days/hours left and if true, the trust i am sure is gone. I work for another carrier and the CVs are coming in regularly. The UK definitely does need an airline like flybe and its a great service to pop to europe etc. My worry is that after yesterdays please from the CEO to say basically 'we are the only airline who can do this, please give us some money', is another sign they are very much on the ropes. Why on earth dont virgin/delta/whatever consortium just put the money in instead of playing poker with the future of employees. in my opinion the flight crew job market is starting to downturn and the demise of flybe would make prospect of employment for all very difficult. He says they can go to the end of march. I take it he means payday, whatever day that is. I wish the best to all the employees and hope for some competency in the running of th airline but the latter seems to be a big ask.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 11:25
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Mostly agree with cabsav.

There just seems to be a dark plan in motion but I could be wrong.

I hope for a positive outcome.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 11:35
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Originally Posted by cabsav View Post
Yes, it is perfectly safe airline with i am sure great crews but its a horrid aircraft. Thats a criticism of the vomit burp inducing design and vintage flight deck not in any way how crews operate it. Anyway, my criticism is that i heard a rumour no-one but senior management knew the airline had days/hours left and if true, the trust i am sure is gone. I work for another carrier and the CVs are coming in regularly. The UK definitely does need an airline like flybe and its a great service to pop to europe etc. My worry is that after yesterdays please from the CEO to say basically 'we are the only airline who can do this, please give us some money', is another sign they are very much on the ropes. Why on earth dont virgin/delta/whatever consortium just put the money in instead of playing poker with the future of employees. in my opinion the flight crew job market is starting to downturn and the demise of flybe would make prospect of employment for all very difficult. He says they can go to the end of march. I take it he means payday, whatever day that is. I wish the best to all the employees and hope for some competency in the running of th airline but the latter seems to be a big ask.
Payday will be Friday 20th March. Budget is on Wednesday 11th March. I suspect and hope there will be some clarity for the staff between these dates. 🤞
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 13:22
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You've become obsessional about this and calasically you can't see it.
Give it a rest and wait and see what happens
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 13:27
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Originally Posted by bean View Post
You've become obsessional about this and calasically you can't see it.
Give it a rest and wait and see what happens
Fortunately even the dimmest of the dim journalist will be able to see these postings for what they are, and disregard them and thus not jeopardising the prospects of those people working for Flybe that don't have enormous great chips on the shoulders.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 15:15
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Originally Posted by cabsav View Post
Yes, it is perfectly safe airline with i am sure great crews but its a horrid aircraft. Thats a criticism of the vomit burp inducing design and vintage flight deck not in any way how crews operate it. Anyway, my criticism is that i heard a rumour no-one but senior management knew the airline had days/hours left and if true, the trust i am sure is gone. I work for another carrier and the CVs are coming in regularly. The UK definitely does need an airline like flybe and its a great service to pop to europe etc. My worry is that after yesterdays please from the CEO to say basically 'we are the only airline who can do this, please give us some money', is another sign they are very much on the ropes. Why on earth dont virgin/delta/whatever consortium just put the money in instead of playing poker with the future of employees. in my opinion the flight crew job market is starting to downturn and the demise of flybe would make prospect of employment for all very difficult. He says they can go to the end of march. I take it he means payday, whatever day that is. I wish the best to all the employees and hope for some competency in the running of th airline but the latter seems to be a big ask.
There is a lot of naivety on here. It is a very simplistic view to suggest that investors keep putting their hands in their pockets to shore the business up every year. That is not a sustainable business model. The deal with the government is to reduce the taxes to make regional air travel sustainable going forward. Itís not about tax payers money being used to repay the overdraft. Most of BEís flights are domestic, which means APD is paid twice. BE is therefore affected more than other airlines by the current system (its only paid on departure from a domestic airport). Hopefully the government will change the rules but I suspect their hands are going to be tied, as the lunatics are clearly running the asylum as we have seen with the recent judgment against LHR. I suppose we should all go back to commuting by horse and carriage.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 15:31
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Rivet Joint
I've disagreed with you in the past, but your ladt post is a very good summarion of the situation
WELL DONE
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 15:50
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Originally Posted by Rivet Joint View Post
There is a lot of naivety on here. It is a very simplistic view to suggest that investors keep putting their hands in their pockets to shore the business up every year. That is not a sustainable business model. The deal with the government is to reduce the taxes to make regional air travel sustainable going forward. Itís not about tax payers money being used to repay the overdraft. Most of BEís flights are domestic, which means APD is paid twice. BE is therefore affected more than other airlines by the current system (its only paid on departure from a domestic airport). Hopefully the government will change the rules but I suspect their hands are going to be tied, as the lunatics are clearly running the asylum as we have seen with the recent judgment against LHR. I suppose we should all go back to commuting by horse and carriage.
While some of your points maybe valid, all of this was known when the investors bought out BE. APD hasn't changed, there's been no other signifcant changes to impact BE, so if the investors have miscalulated badly, that's their mistake and for them to correct.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 16:00
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The consortium that bought Flybe certainly should have done better due diligence last year - but the negative consequences of their approach are taken on by their shateholders. It should also be remembered that Flybe was near collapse. Had Virgin/Cyrus/Stobart realised how bad things were and decided not to get involved, I think Flybe would have most likely gone into administration.
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Old 29th Feb 2020, 16:25
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VHF How long has Virgin Atlantic been running?
Who is the dimwit running Cyrus Capital? Well if you rearched you would find out more.
Please PLEASE STOP YOUR MINDLESS DRIVEL
You are humiliating yourself
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Old 2nd Mar 2020, 07:30
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Well looks like VHF4 has gone, or been banned. All of his or her posts have disappeared from this thread. About time too with all the drivel they were posting.
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