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Are they enough to sustain the airport you ask?
Probably..with prudent management and yes..cost cutting.
Whatever..they are in a better position than.....Inverness,Dundee,Carlisle,Newcastle,Leeds,Humbersid e ,Southend,Exeter,Bournemouth,Southampton et al... the ones with no diversification and no real population?
The aviation world has changed forever..so sad...
Probably..with prudent management and yes..cost cutting.
Whatever..they are in a better position than.....Inverness,Dundee,Carlisle,Newcastle,Leeds,Humbersid e ,Southend,Exeter,Bournemouth,Southampton et al... the ones with no diversification and no real population?
The aviation world has changed forever..so sad...
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I doubt T3 will be running back there to operate flights
While HWU's list is some what "random" (BOH, HUY not diversified?), there's long been an arguement that the UK has too many airports. Depends what shape the UK aviation industry end up in, and at the moment who knows?
This whole thread just seems to be a bit of ignorant trolling by bored spotters.
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All the great things listed above are dragged down by white elephant terminal and passenger operation that just doesn’t pay it’s way. Close the terminal. It adds nothing to the balance sheet. Keep the apron but close the 1965 terminal building operating at a fraction of design capacity. Let it go.
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I really hope so, however you can`t allow what traffic you have to be poached by your competitor.
To keep the fanboys happy, the last 2 years have been excellent with fantastic amounts of US Mil
swelling the coffers. However, my worry always was there appeared to be little appetite to go after anything else
and as such all the eggs were in 1 basket.
I hope after the dust settles, this does not come back to bite them!
I hope to god that the deal for the airport goes through at some point and there is some stability about the place, because a you
rightly say, it is a fantastic aerodrome.
To keep the fanboys happy, the last 2 years have been excellent with fantastic amounts of US Mil
swelling the coffers. However, my worry always was there appeared to be little appetite to go after anything else
and as such all the eggs were in 1 basket.
I hope after the dust settles, this does not come back to bite them!
I hope to god that the deal for the airport goes through at some point and there is some stability about the place, because a you
rightly say, it is a fantastic aerodrome.
As some others have suggested there is welcome business come the other way in the form of the C40’s and Qatar Emiri C17 albeit we need more of it. Proof there is life in the old dog yet.
Whilst the Canadian stuff is a sore loss during this mess there is an argument to suggest it may only be temporary and sporadic. Let’s hope it returns.
Hopeful also that when passenger traffic does return the airport may be in a position to offer a better cost saving deal to potential airlines who have been hit hard during the shut down.
interesting months ahead for the industry as a whole.
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seems odd that everyone is convinced the CAF business was poached when it appeared to happen as a pandemic gripped the mainland UK. Let’s not forget the initial missions were booked into PIK and allegedly switched last minute due to an issue out with the airports control. Hotels I believe? Only a handful remain open locally still to this day.
As some others have suggested there is welcome business come the other way in the form of the C40’s and Qatar Emiri C17 albeit we need more of it. Proof there is life in the old dog yet.
Whilst the Canadian stuff is a sore loss during this mess there is an argument to suggest it may only be temporary and sporadic. Let’s hope it returns.
Hopeful also that when passenger traffic does return the airport may be in a position to offer a better cost saving deal to potential airlines who have been hit hard during the shut down.
interesting months ahead for the industry as a whole.
As some others have suggested there is welcome business come the other way in the form of the C40’s and Qatar Emiri C17 albeit we need more of it. Proof there is life in the old dog yet.
Whilst the Canadian stuff is a sore loss during this mess there is an argument to suggest it may only be temporary and sporadic. Let’s hope it returns.
Hopeful also that when passenger traffic does return the airport may be in a position to offer a better cost saving deal to potential airlines who have been hit hard during the shut down.
interesting months ahead for the industry as a whole.
viable reason for them being in Belfast. After all, they should be in exactly the same position as Prestwick re accommodation. Anyway, hopefully a good outcome is still possible with the buyer, although i`m sure they will be looking to get it at a
far lower price now.
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My point is though, there has been accommodation for Kuwait, Qatari and I believe 1 CAF came back to do back to back overnights. Accommodation was also available for the Volga crew, so I don`t think we can use lack of hotel rooms as a
viable reason for them being in Belfast. After all, they should be in exactly the same position as Prestwick re accommodation. Anyway, hopefully a good outcome is still possible with the buyer, although i`m sure they will be looking to get it at a
far lower price now.
viable reason for them being in Belfast. After all, they should be in exactly the same position as Prestwick re accommodation. Anyway, hopefully a good outcome is still possible with the buyer, although i`m sure they will be looking to get it at a
far lower price now.
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TRN1K - the problem with your suggestion that once things start to recover, PIK could attract new passenger airlines by pricing is that GLA and EDI will both also be desperate for new traffic which they will also try to attract by pricing, and they have the upper hand in terms of location. It really confuses me as to why PIK hangs on to its 1960s terminal for a handful of FR flights which will not be paying more than a pittance and if anyone would like to explain the economics of this I would be interested.
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TRN1K - the problem with your suggestion that once things start to recover, PIK could attract new passenger airlines by pricing is that GLA and EDI will both also be desperate for new traffic which they will also try to attract by pricing, and they have the upper hand in terms of location. It really confuses me as to why PIK hangs on to its 1960s terminal for a handful of FR flights which will not be paying more than a pittance and if anyone would like to explain the economics of this I would be interested.
Theres one reason why they might choose to do this... the economics are maybe better than everyone around here thinks. PIK is a business like any other, and if the way to profitability was as simple as closing the terminal, then they'd have done so years ago. The fact it is still open suggests its not that simple.
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Is it because they don't want to pee off Ryanair, who happen to have a busy maintenance facility there? Much easier/cheaper to have a hangar at a station with regular ops so they can swap aircraft in and out at no cost of positioning etc.
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But even if it is the case that PIK is desperate to keep FR pax flights so they keep the maintenance business, it would surely be cheaper to handle the FR flights using a portacabin rather than keeping the existing terminal open.
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Theres one reason why they might choose to do this... the economics are maybe better than everyone around here thinks. PIK is a business like any other, and if the way to profitability was as simple as closing the terminal, then they'd have done so years ago. The fact it is still open suggests its not that simple.
But PIK’s big old white elephant terminal survives because of politics, just like when George Younger was the local MP, it’s wrapped in politics.
Or to put the business perspective, it would be a necessary investment to reduce losses and right size the business to a firmer footing. The passenger facilities required by FR don’t include a lounge.
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The last time that I saw government figures it was the passenger side that was losing money. If I remember correctly it was over £20 per passenger.
How many jobs does the Ryanair maintenance hanger provide? Is it enough to keep sustaining the losses on their passenger movements? If not they need to send them packing.
How many jobs does the Ryanair maintenance hanger provide? Is it enough to keep sustaining the losses on their passenger movements? If not they need to send them packing.
