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Old 10th Jul 2017, 11:32
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Amadeus is what I'm looking at, although Google flights is also showing the 4 weekly flights.
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Manchester Statistics - May 2017 (Part 1)

Destinations that are either new (no passengers since my records started in January 2005), or have not been served for a number of years - if the latter then the month and year of the last service is shown.

Muscat - This service started in May when 7,822 passengers were recorded.
Santa Clara in Cuba - Last served in October 2013 this route returned and had 2,413 passengers
Vigo - 2,768 passenger for the first time since my records started.
Stockholm Skavsta - appears for the first time since October 2006 when 181 passengers were shown. This month there were 1,520.

Just one domestic statistic is currently missing from the CAA report for May.

Inverness - in May 2016 this route carried 6,442

Moving monthly and annual figures - based on CAA statistics

Monthly passengers - 2,501,791
Annual Total - 4,746,799
Moving Annual Total - 26,740,908

Manchester Statistics - May 2017 (Part 2)

Top 25 destinations - by passenger numbers

PALMA............................................... 93,921
AMSTERDAM..................................... 89,150
ALICANTE........................................... 87,170
DUBLIN.............................................. 77,729
MALAGA............................................ 74,943
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............. 69,816
DUBAI................................................ 64,406
FARO.................................................. 56,514
HEATHROW....................................... 51,211
ORLANDO.......................................... 50,842
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............. 50,800
BARCELONA....................................... 48,450
ARRICIFE............................................ 40,403
NEW YORK JFK................................... 34,541
IBIZA................................................... 32,267
DALAMAN.......................................... 31,530
PAPHOS.............................................. 30,459
COPENHAGEN.................................... 28,880
FRANKFURT........................................ 27,797
MUNICH............................................. 27,256
ABU DHABI......................................... 27,211
LAS PALMAS....................................... 26,535
HAMBURG......................................... 25,157
MAHON............................................. 24,857
HERAKLION........................................ 24,064

CAA statistics for May are provisional.

Manchester Statistics - May 2017 (Part 3)

Top 25 destinations with highest percentage increase.

Destination......................................Total Pax....Schedule Pax....Charter Pax....Percentage change
BOSTON............................................. 5,573............. 5,573.................. 0.................... 1044.4
TOULOUSE......................................... 5,646............. 5,646.................. 0.................... 184.29
MIKONOS........................................... 5,639............. 5,639.................. 0.................... 156.785
HURGHADA........................................ 9,301............. 1,392.................. 7,909............. 142.973
HAMBURG.......................................... 25,157.......... 25,157................ 0.................... 132.033
BERLIN (SCHONEFELD)....................... 24,027........... 24,027................ 0.................... 124.74
GIBRALTAR......................................... 9,945............. 9,945.................. 0.................... 1080229
KRAKOW............................................ 13,819........... 13,819................ 0.................... 98.6059
CUNAGUA.......................................... 4,777............. 4,777.................. 0.................... 95.6985
STOCKHOLM (ARLANDA)................... 22,596........... 22,596................ 0..................... 86.8828
SPLIT................................................... 9,476............ 5,621.................. 0..................... 83.2173
OPORTO............................................. 7,434............. 7,434.................. 0..................... 69.4938
KOS.................................................... 12,966............ 6,731................. 6,235.............. 62.3388
ILHA DO SAL CAPE VERDE................. 4,772............... 4,563................. 209................. 56.6645
GDANSK............................................. 4,861.............. 4,861.................. 0.................... 55.4028
STAVANGER....................................... 2,022.............. 2,022.................. 0.................... 50.783
RHODES............................................. 18,508............ 10,946................ 7,562.............. 46.3546
NAPLES............................................... 17,302........... 13,625................. 3,677............. 46.2306
GERONA............................................. 11,009........... 8,064................... 2,945.............. 43.2345
LOS ANGELES..................................... 6,058............. 6,058................... 0...................... 41.7076
BOA VISTA CAPE VERDE..................... 5,407............. 5,407................... 0...................... 40.9174
NEWQUAY.......................................... 8,342............. 8,342.................. 0....................... 37.6568
LARNACA............................................ 19,065........... 12,420................. 6,645............... 34.9257
PISA.................................................... 8,124............. 8,124................... 0...................... 34.8158
BERGEN.............................................. 1,419............. 1,419................... 0...................... 34.7578

CAA statistics for May are provisional.

Manchester Statistics - May 2017 (Part 4)

Figures for the European and long haul destinations that I consider to be the main points for our connecting traffic.

Foreign_airport……..Total_Pax 2016……..Total Pax 2017……% change
VIENNA……………………. 8,331……….…………….. 9,028……………….. +8.3663
BRUSSELS………………. 17,135……………………. 17,507……………….. +2.171
BEIJING………………………….. 0………………….…… 5,529.………………. +100
PRAGUE…………………. 12,157……………………. 15,052…….…………. +23.813
COPENHAGEN……….. 29,905……………………. 28,880……………….. -3.428
HELSINKI………………….. 8,487…………….……….. 9,644…………………+13.633
PARIS (CDG)……………. 39,862……………………. 50,800…………….... +27.44
DUSSELDORF…………. 16,192………..…………. 20,633………………… +27.612
FRANKFURT MAIN….. 30,811……………………. 27,797….……………. -9.782
MUNICH…………………. 26,593..…………………. 27,797………………… +2.4931
HONG KONG…………….. 8,758….…………………. 8,007 ……….………. -8.575
KEFLAVIK………………….. 7,220…………………….. 8,206………………… +13.657
DUBLIN…………………… 78,705……………………. 77,729………….……. -1.24
MILAN (MALPENSA).. 12,943……………………..14,989………………. +15.808
ROME (FIUMICINO)…. 8,497..…………………… 10,787………………. +26.951
AMSTERDAM…………. 85,455…………………….. 89,150.……………... +4.3239
ISLAMABAD……………. 13,874..…………………… 12,489………………. -9.983
LISBON…………………… 17,452…………………….. 19,139………..…….. +9.6665
DOHA……………………… 21,761…………………….. 22,552……………… +3.6349
JEDDAH……………………. 6,727………………………. 6,486……………….. -3.583
SINGAPORE……………… 6,757……………………….. 5,871………………. -13.11
MADRID…………………. 17,725…………………….. 14,719………………. -16.96
STOCKHOLM (ARN)… 12,091…………………….. 22,596………………. +86.883
GENEVA…………………. 11,956…………………….. 15,434….………..... +29.09
ZURICH……………………. 8,014………………………. 9,478………………… +18.268
ABU DHABI…………….. 28,040……………….……. 27,211…..…………… -2.956
DUBAI……………………. 66,328.…………………….. 64,406……………….. -2.898
ATLANTA……………….. 14,063…….……………….. 12,899………………. -8.277
CHICAGO…..…………….. 7,390.………………………. 8,673………………. +17.361
HOUSTON………………………… 0………………………. 4,496………………. +0.00
NEW YORK (JFK)……… 29,166…………………….. 34,541………..…….. +18.429
NEW YORK (NEWARK). 7,326………………………. 7,694……………….. +5.0232
PHILADELPHIA……………8,884………………………. 9,009……..……….. +1.407
HEATHROW……………. 54,079…………………….. 51,211…………………-5.303

CAA statistics for May are provisional.

Manchester Statistics - May 2017 (Part 5)

Comparison of top 25 destinations - May 2007 versus May 2017

Foreign airport.............................May-07...............May-17
PALMA............................................... 95,830.................. 93,921
HEATHROW....................................... 81,311.................. 51,211
ALICANTE........................................... 62,156.................. 87,170
MALAGA............................................ 60,946.................. 74,943
DUBLIN.............................................. 58,010.................. 77,729
FARO.................................................. 54,044.................. 56,514
TENERIFE (SURREINA SOFIA)............. 48,986.................. 69,816
AMSTERDAM..................................... 45,223.................. 89,150
DALAMAN.......................................... 40,995................. 31,530
PARIS (CHARLES DE GAULLE)............. 39,512.................. 50,800
GATWICK........................................... 37,287......................... 32
PAPHOS............................................. 36,492.................. 30,459
DUBAI................................................ 31,040.................. 64,406
LARNACA........................................... 30,647.................. 19,065
SANDFORD........................................ 29,185.................... 5,923
ORLANDO.......................................... 28,809.................. 50,842
ARRECIFE........................................... 28,778.................. 40,403
FRANKFURT....................................... 27,609.................. 27,797
IBIZA.................................................. 27,562.................. 32,267
MAHON............................................. 27,288.................. 24,857
HERAKLION........................................ 23,999.................. 24,064
MALTA............................................... 23,225.................. 21,990
CHICAGO (O'HARE)............................ 23,052.................... 8,673
EDINBURGH....................................... 20,363.................. 11,554
BELFAST CITY..................................... 20,045................... 23,958

CAA are statistics for May are provisional.
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 13:43
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Excellent stats Scottie Dog.

The 10 years comparison shows well how LHR from MAN is suffering, nearly 40% decline in pax over last decade, 20% more now fly to Dubai than LHR, and CDG nearly on a par with LHR. The leakage must be alarming to BA surely ?
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 16:25
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Originally Posted by eggc
Excellent stats Scottie Dog.

The 10 years comparison shows well how LHR from MAN is suffering, nearly 40% decline in pax over last decade, 20% more now fly to Dubai than LHR, and CDG nearly on a par with LHR. The leakage must be alarming to BA surely ?
Surely the more direct long haul flights Manchester gets the LHR shuttle will decrease as a result ?
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 16:31
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Originally Posted by LAX_LHR
Amadeus is what I'm looking at, although Google flights is also showing the 4 weekly flights.
Not sure what is going on but they have been re-routed via LHR
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 16:34
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IB switched website from Tue/Sat to Thu/Sun this afternoon. Much better schedule.
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 16:41
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Originally Posted by BHX5DME
Surely the more direct long haul flights Manchester gets the LHR shuttle will decrease as a result ?
True indeed BHX, but it does not seem to have affected CDG and AMS, both of which have seen significant growth over the same period.

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Old 10th Jul 2017, 16:54
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Originally Posted by eggc
True indeed BHX, but it does not seem to have affected CDG and AMS, both of which have seen significant growth.
Manchester - Amsterdam and Paris flows of people will almost all be by air. Much of this will be O&D traffic ex MAN, although a fair chunk of it will be connnecting. Probably a much lower %age than LHR.

Manchester - London will have significant flows by rail and road. I suspect 90% of the MAN-LHR traffic will be connecting.
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Old 10th Jul 2017, 17:05
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Originally Posted by j636
IB switched website from Tue/Sat to Thu/Sun this afternoon. Much better schedule.
Not for my Girls!!!
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Originally Posted by Navpi
"Will they put me in a lounge for my connection from Oakland? Will they cross deck me onto a partner if they go tech? Can I upgrade reasonably often for free? I'm buying J do they have F? Do they offer all aisle seating? Do they issue a currency that gives me free flights on a large network?"

Would this be BA by any chance ?

My God good luck with that one.

Three occasions they have had my business due "bloody corporate double speak".

Canx my long haul flight at 6 hours notice.

Lost my bags on another occasion.

Lounge at Heathrow filthy.

A beacon of customer service ?
Hi Navpi,

I wasn't discussing BA particularly.

Offering a view that corporate purchasing managers will buy capacity from airlines that match their overall travel requirements, not just requirements O&D from MAN.

Also that the "product" includes a global network, preferred IRROPS handling, free upgrades, bulk discounts, relaxed re-ticketing constraints etc.

It's not just about routes from this one airport, or the aircraft they fly today, or reliability from that one point in the network.

I think TCX offering J would be searching for niches that aren't so susceptible to these extra parameters that are important to the few people who purchase much of the world's premium travel.

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Old 10th Jul 2017, 23:19
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Not all business travel is done by global companies and a lot of people in Northwest England are refusing to fly AA
and to a lesser extent UA because their product is so poor and when TCX can come up with a better price and a quality of service which is way better.
TCX now operate a number of routes which do not require hubbing in the states or via LHR/AMS/CDG, it`s like many business travellers now use Easyjet or Ryanair which even 10 years ago was hardly heard of
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Old 11th Jul 2017, 08:02
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Originally Posted by eggc
Excellent stats Scottie Dog.

The 10 years comparison shows well how LHR from MAN is suffering, nearly 40% decline in pax over last decade, 20% more now fly to Dubai than LHR, and CDG nearly on a par with LHR. The leakage must be alarming to BA surely ?
10 years ago Bmi had a large MAN LHR operation (mainly feeding Star ex LHR) - the better comparison would be BA 2007 and 2017 I think. As a regular on the route it feels pretty much the same to me.
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Old 11th Jul 2017, 08:42
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Aw, shucks!

RYANAIR CANCELS PLANNED UKRAINE SERVICES AS KIEV AIRPORT FAILS TO HONOUR COMMITMENTS

Ryanair, Europe's No.1 airline, today (10 July) announced that it has cancelled its planned entry into Ukraine following Kiev airport's failure to honour a growth agreement reached at the Ministry of Infrastructure with airport officials and the current Airport Director General, Mr Riabikin, in March of this year.

Regrettably, Kiev airport has instead chosen to protect high fare airlines (including Ukraine International Airlines) and deprive Ukrainian consumers/visitors access to Europe's lowest air fares and widest route network. As a result, Ryanair has no choice but to cancel 4 new Kiev routes and 7 new Lviv routes, which will result in the loss of over 500,000 passengers and 400 jobs.

Ryanair sincerely apologises to the many customers who have booked low fare flights to/from the Ukraine, all of whom will be contacted by email and refunded for their cancelled flights.
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Old 11th Jul 2017, 08:47
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Ukraine Airlines seem to have failed to start their own service as well so back to zero flights
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Old 11th Jul 2017, 10:43
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MAN-Kiev no longer showing in Ryanair system. Flight pulled? didn't last long....
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Old 11th Jul 2017, 10:50
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Originally Posted by GavinC
MAN-Kiev no longer showing in Ryanair system. Flight pulled? didn't last long....
Ryanair cancelled all routes to Ukraine, before first flight
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MAN-Kiev no longer showing in Ryanair system. Flight pulled? didn't last long....
See # 8197 two hours before your post for an explanation.

There are two sides to every story of course and we've only heard one side no doubt nicely spun as is their way.

Wonder if heads will roll amongst those in Ukraine who agreed the deal in the first place assuming there is some truth in this?

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MAG press release...

Manchester Airport has seen a record 27 million people pass through its three terminals in the last 12 months.

The UK’s third largest airport passed the milestone for the first time in its 79 year history. More than 2.75m passengers flew in and out of the airport in June – an increase of 9% on June 2016.

June saw the one year anniversary of the Hainan Airlines service to Beijing and it also saw Cathay Pacific increase its flights to Hong Kong to five per week.

Over the last year the UK’s third largest airport added a wealth of new routes, which helped reach the 27m passenger milestone. These include: Muscat (Oman Air), San Francisco (Thomas Cook Airlines and Virgin Atlantic), Boston (Virgin Atlantic and Thomas Cook Airlines), Los Angeles (Thomas Cook Airlines), Houston (Singapore Airlines), Riyadh (Saudia), Beijing (Hainan Airlines), Nuremberg (Ryanair), Casablanca (Royal Air Maroc) and Tobago (Thomas Cook Airlines).

Collette Roche, Acting Managing Director for Manchester Airport, said: “Passing 27 million passengers is another significant milestone for the airport.

“The last 12 months has seen a host of new long haul routes and as we move into the busy summer season we’re looking forward to welcoming even more passengers through our terminals.

“Our continued growth of passengers and destinations clearly highlights the role we play in UK aviation and as the global entry and exit point of the Northern Powerhouse. This is further reinforced by the strong financial results issued today by MAG.”

Due to the extra demand aircraft movements were also up in the last 12 months by 11%, meaning more than 200,000 planes took off and landed on the airport’s two full length runways.

Cargo also saw a boost with 10,952 tonnes carried - an increase of 7% on June 2016. It equates to a 12% year on year increase with the annual rolling tonnage now at 118,849.

The 27m passenger milestone has been met as MAG releases its 2016/17 financial results, which sees the UK’s largest airport group deliver a sixth consecutive year of growth. The last financial year saw Manchester Airport enter the European top 20 busiest airports, bolstering its position as the UK’s global gateway to and from the North. For the 12 months ending 31st March 2017 MAG saw growth across all of its airports with total passenger numbers for the year up to 55.9m, an increase of 7.7%.
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Barra and back for today's MT2824 (MAN-LAX). G-CHTZ with possible pressurisation issues or wanting a better view of Lakes? Dropped to FL130 for return.

This is what I was saying about TCX reliability.
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The new BA winter flights have been officially announced:

ADS Advance - BA extends services from Manchester Airport

There will also be a 2nd Chambery on Saturdays and also one on Sunday's, but, they will be charter flights.
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