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Is today's chaos at T3, all as a result of an over reaction/knee jerk by an over zealous member of the overtrained MAG Security private officious army?
If it was, MAG should admit it and state what action they are taking to prevent it happening again.
The public should also be told what the offending item was.
If it was, MAG should admit it and state what action they are taking to prevent it happening again.
The public should also be told what the offending item was.
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Well, the fact that the police called in bomb disposal, and they also deemed it suspicious enough to carry out controlled explosions means that clearly they thought it was pretty serious too.
Also, this was hold baggage, and the equipment used to screen hold baggage is far superior to the hand baggage process, such as 3D scanning and interpgral trace detectors and such, so, it takes a lot more to 'call it in'.
End of the day. This is what security is there to do, detect suspicious items. Very easy to speculate on how to do a job better from an armchair when the full facts are not known, isn't it?
Also, this was hold baggage, and the equipment used to screen hold baggage is far superior to the hand baggage process, such as 3D scanning and interpgral trace detectors and such, so, it takes a lot more to 'call it in'.
End of the day. This is what security is there to do, detect suspicious items. Very easy to speculate on how to do a job better from an armchair when the full facts are not known, isn't it?
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Hainan airlines have applied to serve Guangzhou-Manchester 3 weekly from this winter. Beijing will remain daily B787.
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It is indeed good.
HU have also protected 4 slots this winter too. It's currently down to make CAN daily, but personally I think it could be for an eventual 4 weekly PVG should Air China give in with the rights.
Or, given the other HNA airline, Tianjin Airlines, has dropped plans to serve Xi'an from Gatwick, so, could the route be heading north but served on HU? Probably not, but we can dream.
HU have also protected 4 slots this winter too. It's currently down to make CAN daily, but personally I think it could be for an eventual 4 weekly PVG should Air China give in with the rights.
Or, given the other HNA airline, Tianjin Airlines, has dropped plans to serve Xi'an from Gatwick, so, could the route be heading north but served on HU? Probably not, but we can dream.
Is today's chaos at T3, all as a result of an over reaction/knee jerk by an over zealous member of the overtrained MAG Security private officious army?
If it was, MAG should admit it and state what action they are taking to prevent it happening again.
If it was, MAG should admit it and state what action they are taking to prevent it happening again.
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It was caused by a checked in piece of luggage that when scanned revealed a bottle of liquid with a watch around it and wires attached. Turned out it was not an explosive device, but very very good work by MAN on their spotting what could have been a very viable threat.
Security anywhere can cause me as much hassle as they like, as long as they keep me safe.
Security anywhere can cause me as much hassle as they like, as long as they keep me safe.
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A month ago a phychopath blew an 8 year old, amongst many others to smithereens 10 mile North of the airport!
Identifying a clear "potential threat" in an otherwise mind numbing shift I feel s/b applauded!
Identifying a clear "potential threat" in an otherwise mind numbing shift I feel s/b applauded!
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While it wasn't a real threat this time, like I say, for the police and army to also agree it looked suspicious enough to warrant the response shows it wasn't 'over zealous and Over trained security agents' (what does over trained even mean, surely over trained means they should be sh*t hot?) and thus makes me feel IB4138's comments a bit out of order.
It also well known that sometimes 'test pieces' can be put though. Not test pieces by CAA coverts, but people wanting to see what they can get away with, what gets noticed and what they can work on. It happens a lot more than people think. This could well have been one of those situations, as why else would you be strapping watches to water bottles and sticking wires out of it?
It also well known that sometimes 'test pieces' can be put though. Not test pieces by CAA coverts, but people wanting to see what they can get away with, what gets noticed and what they can work on. It happens a lot more than people think. This could well have been one of those situations, as why else would you be strapping watches to water bottles and sticking wires out of it?
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In fairness the point IB was making was that it's not the security per se, but how it's done.Many of you will dislike the " MaG private officious " bit but sadly it's a good description of them..As for the security..try El Al. Now that is how you make an aircraft safe.
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i don't have an issue with MAG security, I suppose it's down to personal preference really. It just seems to me that some see security as some service designed for passenger convenience, and should be setting speed records for getting through, when it's not. It's there to screen bags and people, and the faster you do that, the more chance you have of missing something. I was always taught a rushed job usually means a sh*t job. They need to do it right or don't bother doing it at all.
IB's comments were purely aimed at calling out over zealous officers and just assumed they made a balls up of the incident yesterday. My point was that the police and army also deemed this bag suspicious enough to warrant the level of response. So, clearly wasn't down to one single security officer, but many professionals were also in agreement.
It seems MAN security can't win sometimes. They get lambasted for false alarms, but I bet they would have been really blasted if this was a real threat and had got past them.......
IB's comments were purely aimed at calling out over zealous officers and just assumed they made a balls up of the incident yesterday. My point was that the police and army also deemed this bag suspicious enough to warrant the level of response. So, clearly wasn't down to one single security officer, but many professionals were also in agreement.
It seems MAN security can't win sometimes. They get lambasted for false alarms, but I bet they would have been really blasted if this was a real threat and had got past them.......
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I've certainly no issue with security in what they and the police felt was a suspicious object in hold luggage.
However, there are legitimate questions as how to how an airport responds in the immediate aftermath of the alert and then with the disruption that inevitably follows. And not just the airport itself, but their handling agents, the airlines and Border Control.
I'd be surprised if the article in the M.E.N. is a totally accurate reflection of the situation yesterday but I expect and hope MAN will be holding their own investigation as to what went right and what could perhaps have been dealt with better in difficult circumstances.
However, there are legitimate questions as how to how an airport responds in the immediate aftermath of the alert and then with the disruption that inevitably follows. And not just the airport itself, but their handling agents, the airlines and Border Control.
I'd be surprised if the article in the M.E.N. is a totally accurate reflection of the situation yesterday but I expect and hope MAN will be holding their own investigation as to what went right and what could perhaps have been dealt with better in difficult circumstances.
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Oman Air with plenty of print in this weeks 'Greater Manchester Business Week' - several adverts and a small article.
Also "Give us a passage to India - businesses are backing call for direct flight to India". Airport just adds that it is a "key priority".
Also "Give us a passage to India - businesses are backing call for direct flight to India". Airport just adds that it is a "key priority".
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Most passengers yesterday were actually fine with what happened yesterday, many took to social media to praise how calm, professional and efficient staff were.
I think the only issue yesterday was the airlines and their dealing with the queues afterwards. It seems not many were given clear information on rebooking and things like accommodation if they flew out today and such, which, would be chaotic in any airport as its a large task rebooking thousands of passengers. I just don't think there is a 'right' course of action that will please everybody, so, you just have to take it as it comes.
I think the only issue yesterday was the airlines and their dealing with the queues afterwards. It seems not many were given clear information on rebooking and things like accommodation if they flew out today and such, which, would be chaotic in any airport as its a large task rebooking thousands of passengers. I just don't think there is a 'right' course of action that will please everybody, so, you just have to take it as it comes.
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Notable that airport ops got 25 T3 arrivals onto T1 stands or remote T2. So, when it has to be done... it can be done. No 'no div' NOTAM was issued and nothing diverted to LPL or LBA. Of the arrivals, only the BA shuttle got cancelled (as if they need an excuse).
So, in effect, that was 25 diversions that also used the airport facilities, albeit with the massive knock-on effects of a congested infrastructure.
Well done to all that stepped up.
So, in effect, that was 25 diversions that also used the airport facilities, albeit with the massive knock-on effects of a congested infrastructure.
Well done to all that stepped up.