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On the topic of the internals, do we have any idea of how the airside waiting are will look like? Will it be a glorified shopping arcade?
Also, do we have any idea who will have lounges in the terminal? Some I would say are fairly obvious (Emirates, Etihad, Escape, BA/One world) but I assume other lounges would be considered (e.g. Virgin Atlantic, Star Alliance) and maybe one dedicated to the USPBC area of that proceeds?
Also, do we have any idea who will have lounges in the terminal? Some I would say are fairly obvious (Emirates, Etihad, Escape, BA/One world) but I assume other lounges would be considered (e.g. Virgin Atlantic, Star Alliance) and maybe one dedicated to the USPBC area of that proceeds?
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On the topic of the internals, do we have any idea of how the airside waiting are will look like? Will it be a glorified shopping arcade?
Also, do we have any idea who will have lounges in the terminal? Some I would say are fairly obvious (Emirates, Etihad, Escape, BA/One world) but I assume other lounges would be considered (e.g. Virgin Atlantic, Star Alliance) and maybe one dedicated to the USPBC area of that proceeds?
Also, do we have any idea who will have lounges in the terminal? Some I would say are fairly obvious (Emirates, Etihad, Escape, BA/One world) but I assume other lounges would be considered (e.g. Virgin Atlantic, Star Alliance) and maybe one dedicated to the USPBC area of that proceeds?
I would have though that anyone with a lounge now will have one in the future and that they will having bigger and better ones!
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Cobalt starter fares coming in at £69.98 return MAN-LCA-MAN. Checked dates in July. There will be plenty of takers at those prices (even short notice) subject to customer awareness. Peak school holidays too. Of course, fares will probably rise by afew tiers once bookings come in or else they wouldn't make much money at those prices.
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Exactly correct. It is rather short notice, but the fares are low and should generate a decent amount of passengers. CO do not appear on SkyScanner yet, which would be a great boost for them, so it will be upto themselves and the airports to which they operate to get the word out there !
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Who else might want dedicated facilities who doesn't currently have them?
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Basing more planes before capacity increases are in place would be folly. Instead MAN needs more away based planes flying in at those non-peak times to fill the gaps as Ryanair currently do.
There is a dilemma here. An airport operator is not in control of what new business individual airlines are prepared to commit to its facility. If an airline such as Norwegian applies to base six aircraft at MAN (as has been rumoured recently) it is incumbent upon the airport to ensure that they are in a position to accept such business without hesitation. If they turn down the opportunity, they cannot presume that the carrier concerned will come running back to them when new terminal / apron capacity comes on stream at some point in the future. Worse still, that carrier may instead establish a successful operation at an alternative airport which represents direct competition. Once the carrier is embedded at the competing airport, it can eat away at market share for years to come.
Before turning away new based units it is also important to keep the maths in mind. Whilst most readers here celebrate the tremendous boost to MAN's status represented by the new 4x weekly Hainan Airlines service, an additional based Ryanair B738 working a full schedule offers nearly four times as many seats through the airport in the course of a week. Such opportunities should not be turned down lightly. The offer may not come around again, and that aircraft could end up based at LPL or LBA instead. Great for those airports, yes, but MAG must be focused on maximising their own business.
In reality, it may not be physically possible to accommodate all applications for based aircraft at MAN. But if the airport does have to turn business away, that represents a long-term strategic failure. MAG does need to redouble its efforts to provide sufficient stand availability at MAN to meet demand from carriers in the near term. And those stands can't be just anywhere either ... a Ryanair B738 requires T3 access, not a space built over 'Staff West' ... so careful planning and commitment of financial resources is required to address the problem.
Of course, one factor which may come to MAN's aid on this may take the form of the next recession. Not something we want to see, but something that we inevitably will see. When that time comes, some of the weaker operations will be stripped from the market (as always happens) freeing up capacity for the more resilient carriers.
Slightly-related question: will this latest proposal to link Pier 4 with the 1974 root of T1 Pier C represent an overall increase / decrease in aircraft stands vis-a-vis the previous incarnation of the plan? Presumably this arrangement implies that the new pier would be one-sided with aircraft able to access only the West / South aspect of the structure?
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Heathrow?s powerhouse argument for expansion | | The Times & The Sunday Times
Fortunately the rest of the article where Heathrow claims to be "our saviour" is behind a pay wall.....damn, damn, damn !
As a "Northern Taxpayer" I must confess I'm quite anxious nay euphoric that we have to provide them with some monumental amounts of cash, in order to generate the £710m ROI in the first place.
Let's say a minimum of £10bn ? for some nice roads, a tunnel, new railway lines rolling stock and why not a station or two !
"My goodness £710m now let's see "
....if a billion is 1000 million and our subsidy (oops investment) is a minimum of say £10billion, that will equate to taking 14 years to get our ROI back.
"hey hang on a minute "
"Nurse Nurse................"
Fortunately the rest of the article where Heathrow claims to be "our saviour" is behind a pay wall.....damn, damn, damn !
As a "Northern Taxpayer" I must confess I'm quite anxious nay euphoric that we have to provide them with some monumental amounts of cash, in order to generate the £710m ROI in the first place.
Let's say a minimum of £10bn ? for some nice roads, a tunnel, new railway lines rolling stock and why not a station or two !
"My goodness £710m now let's see "
....if a billion is 1000 million and our subsidy (oops investment) is a minimum of say £10billion, that will equate to taking 14 years to get our ROI back.
"hey hang on a minute "
"Nurse Nurse................"
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Recently used Monarch out of T2, we were bussed out to aircraft from Gate 300. It was raining heavily, when we got to aircraft only the front steps in use, resulting in passengers getting soaked prior to boarding. I know this could be down to the carrier but passengers don't see it that way. If as has been suggested in previous posts that there will be further bussing to remote stands, passengers, who are customers, will become disillusioned with the service being offered and possibly vote with their feet.
As has been said before most airports have bussing to some stands,the busier airports get the more remote stands are used, Liverpool doesn`t have any contact stands at all neither does Luton and Leeds have very few if any so I cannot really see much of a problem most of the time
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Originally Posted by vinnym
Recently used Monarch out of T2, we were bussed out to aircraft from Gate 300. It was raining heavily, when we got to aircraft only the front steps in use, resulting in passengers getting soaked prior to boarding. I know this could be down to the carrier but passengers don't see it that way. If as has been suggested in previous posts that there will be further bussing to remote stands, passengers, who are customers, will become disillusioned with the service being offered and possibly vote with their feet.
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As has been said before most airports have bussing to some stands,the busier airports get the more remote stands are used, Liverpool doesn`t have any contact stands at all neither does Luton and Leeds have very few if any so I cannot really see much of a problem most of the time
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Passengers getting soaked.... I'm a frequent visitor to Brazil and in particular to Goiania a city in the centre. If there is heavy rain and before passengers begin crossing the tarmac a truck is brought to the departure gate and everyone is given an umbrella. At the aircraft they are just dropped by the side of the steps and then collected when everyone has boarded. Simples...
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Heathrow?s powerhouse argument for expansion | | The Times & The Sunday Times
Fortunately the rest of the article where Heathrow claims to be "our saviour" is behind a pay wall.....damn, damn, damn !
As a "Northern Taxpayer" I must confess I'm quite anxious nay euphoric that we have to provide them with some monumental amounts of cash, in order to generate the £710m ROI in the first place.
Let's say a minimum of £10bn ? for some nice roads, a tunnel, new railway lines rolling stock and why not a station or two !
"My goodness £710m now let's see "
....if a billion is 1000 million and our subsidy (oops investment) is a minimum of say £10billion, that will equate to taking 14 years to get our ROI back.
"hey hang on a minute "
"Nurse Nurse................"
Fortunately the rest of the article where Heathrow claims to be "our saviour" is behind a pay wall.....damn, damn, damn !
As a "Northern Taxpayer" I must confess I'm quite anxious nay euphoric that we have to provide them with some monumental amounts of cash, in order to generate the £710m ROI in the first place.
Let's say a minimum of £10bn ? for some nice roads, a tunnel, new railway lines rolling stock and why not a station or two !
"My goodness £710m now let's see "
....if a billion is 1000 million and our subsidy (oops investment) is a minimum of say £10billion, that will equate to taking 14 years to get our ROI back.
"hey hang on a minute "
"Nurse Nurse................"
Arguably heer nonsense, but in any case clearly insufficient justification for such a major public subsidy.
Straw clutching.
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As has been said before most airports have bussing to some stands,the busier airports get the more remote stands are used, Liverpool doesn`t have any contact stands at all neither does Luton and Leeds have very few if any so I cannot really see much of a problem most of the time
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Covered stairs cost more to buy/rent, which the airlines are unwilling to pay for.