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Dear Northern businessman
"Would you like a a triple daily air link to Heathrow. "
Yes of course.
"We at HAL can deliver this"
Great but you are not an airline.
"Let's not get bogged down in small detail"
When can we have this.
" about 15 years possibly 12 "
OK great we will support that.
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Dear Northern Taxpayer
"Would you like a triple daily airport link to Heathrow."
Yes please
"One small point , your share of the cost will be
£2 billion however "
2 million ?
"No 2 billion"
How much is that?
"Well it's 2 billion, £2000,000,000m but with a massive return in 12 years"
How much is the massive return
"Er can't be precise"
But you can guarantee the route 100%"
"Well sort of....can we have your dosh upfront please"
Your having a laugh
"No we are deadly serious"
stuff that.......
"Would you like a a triple daily air link to Heathrow. "
Yes of course.
"We at HAL can deliver this"
Great but you are not an airline.
"Let's not get bogged down in small detail"
When can we have this.
" about 15 years possibly 12 "
OK great we will support that.
_________________________________________________
Dear Northern Taxpayer
"Would you like a triple daily airport link to Heathrow."
Yes please
"One small point , your share of the cost will be
£2 billion however "
2 million ?
"No 2 billion"
How much is that?
"Well it's 2 billion, £2000,000,000m but with a massive return in 12 years"
How much is the massive return
"Er can't be precise"
But you can guarantee the route 100%"
"Well sort of....can we have your dosh upfront please"
Your having a laugh
"No we are deadly serious"
stuff that.......
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Colossal amounts of public funding towards infrastructure in London is draining away economic prospects in the rest of the country.
If London Heathrow - a commercial business owned by private capital wants to expand that's fine with me - but I don't want my taxes paying for it, particularly when it disadvantages places much closer and more convenient like MAN.
If London Heathrow - a commercial business owned by private capital wants to expand that's fine with me - but I don't want my taxes paying for it, particularly when it disadvantages places much closer and more convenient like MAN.
I have to say that I'm still surprised that LBA and NCL, two airports already connected to LHR, are supportive of LHR expansion. The only reason I can think of is the perceived threat of losing those connections if R3 is not approved should BA then choose to use those slots for other services. But NCL in particular, having won EK and UA flights, should surely be focused on attracting more direct services both short haul and long haul. As for LPL in favour of R3, well enough said.
But NCL in particular, having won EK and UA flights, should surely be focused on attracting more direct services both short haul and long haul.
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What routes do you have in mind which would replace the loss of LHR?
I wasn't suggesting that NCL accept the loss of LHR connections but surely it's important for Northern airports to gain as many direct services as are viable rather than have passengers forced to change as Dobbo said. Airlines don't have an unlimited number of aircraft, and expansion of LHR is bound to result in some airlines increasing frequencies from there on some routes to use the extra slots available. This, in my view, could be to the detriment of existing direct services to some UK regional airports.
Would it stop regional airports from growing? Not necessarily, but it might well mean slower growth than otherwise would be the case and airports not reaching their full potential.
I accept that for the likes of Teesside, Liverpool and Sheffield, new links to LHR would be beneficial. But which Northern airport(s) do you think could likely be adversely affected by their gain?
EK, while hugely successful, is still only once a day and UA is seasonal and then not even daily, so any other long haul routes are likely to be a long time coming.
So what I'm saying is LHR is NCL's single largest route, and so is of major importance to the airport and the regions connectivity.
So what I'm saying is LHR is NCL's single largest route, and so is of major importance to the airport and the regions connectivity.
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Who said the LHR route would end? Have I missed something?
I have to say that I'm still surprised that LBA and NCL, two airports already connected to LHR, are supportive of LHR expansion. The only reason I can think of is the perceived threat of losing those connections if R3 is not approved should BA then choose to use those slots for other services. But NCL in particular, having won EK and UA flights, should surely be focused on attracting more direct services both short haul and long haul.
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Not surprising at all. I'm shocked that it seems to be up for discussion.
In terms of connectivity to London, HS2 should capture close to 95% market share in time. The issue is global connectivity. Aside from being a british brand, what is the advantage of BA over KLM or LH or AF? Each offers an identikit service in competition with BA. Why not use them?
In terms of connectivity to London, HS2 should capture close to 95% market share in time. The issue is global connectivity. Aside from being a british brand, what is the advantage of BA over KLM or LH or AF? Each offers an identikit service in competition with BA. Why not use them?
In terms of connectivity to London, HS2 should capture close to 95% market share in time.
The issue is global connectivity.
Isn't competition/choice a good thing?
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Remind me again when HS2 reaches Newcastle?
We do use KL and AF (and EK) for global connectivity (LH isn't much good for us as our only link is DUS). BA is competitive on frequency, timing, terminals, loyalty schemes - especially against AF - but why the downer on supporting a British brand, especially one which is a major employer in the city?
Isn't competition/choice a good thing?
We do use KL and AF (and EK) for global connectivity (LH isn't much good for us as our only link is DUS). BA is competitive on frequency, timing, terminals, loyalty schemes - especially against AF - but why the downer on supporting a British brand, especially one which is a major employer in the city?
Isn't competition/choice a good thing?
I'd have thought BA would need to have a set number of slots for domestic routes and NCL would be an obvious market (size, distance from other regions) to retain after Scotland.
I can understand the support for the BA shuttle, but I don't see how it's loss would have a significant impact on NCL. Even if they did, the NCL market slice would switch to Dublin, Frankfurt, Paris, Amsterdam and would be lost to BA. BA know that, which is why they won't pull out.
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Just wondering, but why don't Flybe offer an airlink from Man-Ncl? Surely there is a market there for business/leisure/transfer passengers? With all the flybe codeshares, a flight at the right time into Man could offer some decent onwards connections.
Has Manchester had an airlink with Newcastle in the past?
Has Manchester had an airlink with Newcastle in the past?
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The biggest problem NCL has is the competition with MAN and EDI. There's no benefits whatsover to NCL or the NE of England of an expanded MAN. An expanded LHR however, is a different kettle of fish as it would allow for connections to more destinations in which the market would be oo small to serve direct from NCL.
I can see the point that the MAN supporters are bringing up, but for a large majority of the country, expansion at LHR can only be a good thing
I can see the point that the MAN supporters are bringing up, but for a large majority of the country, expansion at LHR can only be a good thing
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The point of the Northern powerhouse is that it can stand on its own two feet and decrease its perceived reliance upon the south east.
The argument that the northern powerhouse needs LHR runs contrary to that objective. Quite simply, LHR are trying the same divide and rule tactic as generations of Westminster governments - playing the regions off against each other which has the output of disproportionately benefiting the south east. The NP is trying to break this.
The argument that the northern powerhouse needs LHR runs contrary to that objective. Quite simply, LHR are trying the same divide and rule tactic as generations of Westminster governments - playing the regions off against each other which has the output of disproportionately benefiting the south east. The NP is trying to break this.
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Just wondering, but why don't Flybe offer an airlink from Man-Ncl? Surely there is a market there for business/leisure/transfer passengers? With all the flybe codeshares, a flight at the right time into Man could offer some decent onwards connections.
Has Manchester had an airlink with Newcastle in the past?
Has Manchester had an airlink with Newcastle in the past?
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Just wondering, but why don't Flybe offer an airlink from Man-Ncl?