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I think the proposed routes to Shanghai and Guangzhou will take some of the cargo pressure off, as well as the probable increase in frequency from Cathay Pacific.
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The point of the Northern powerhouse is that it can stand on its own two feet and decrease its perceived reliance upon the south east.
The argument that the northern powerhouse needs LHR runs contrary to that objective. Quite simply, LHR are trying the same divide and rule tactic as generations of Westminster governments - playing the regions off against each other which has the output of disproportionately benefiting the south east. The NP is trying to break this.
The argument that the northern powerhouse needs LHR runs contrary to that objective. Quite simply, LHR are trying the same divide and rule tactic as generations of Westminster governments - playing the regions off against each other which has the output of disproportionately benefiting the south east. The NP is trying to break this.
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Let's not get too carried away about Hainan's LF at this stage. Don't forget that there are around 10,000 Chinese students at Universities in the North of England, many of whom will have been returning home in the last 10 day's, probably taking advantage of Hainan's promotional fares of under £400 return.
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Let's not get too carried away about Hainan's LF at this stage. Don't forget that there are around 10,000 Chinese students at Universities in the North of England, many of whom will have been returning home in the last 10 day's, probably taking advantage of Hainan's promotional fares of under £400 return.
Queues for tax-refunds in T2 check-in the other day were snaking all the way back to the Monarch ticket desk!
Big spenders the Chinese 
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Let's not get too carried away about Hainan's LF at this stage. Don't forget that there are around 10,000 Chinese students at Universities in the North of England, many of whom will have been returning home in the last 10 day's, probably taking advantage of Hainan's promotional fares of under £400 return.
Hainan Airlines makes it to Manchester
Certainly encouraging signs indeed!
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Appreciate that NCL relies to some degree on LHR, but it may also rely upon AMS, FRA, CDG (no misunderstanding on my part that MAN is compatible to these, it isn't).
Either way, the important thing is that the North East has access (via any major abiation hub).
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Newcastle already have 6 flights a day, deary me how many do you actually need ?
The NE taxpayer contribution like Manchester Leeds Liverpool etc required "upfront" will be colossal in relation to what surely would be the mere promise of 2 possibly 3 extra flights at most.
Try asking Newcastle folk if they would prefer a billion pounds worth of direct investment OR the promise
( nothing more) of those 2 or 3 flights.
I wish somebody would challenge Heathrow who are playing fast and loose with this supposition that domestic feed is a given.
Its NOT.
BA are not exactly going to increase capacity when they have a monopoly and can control pricing linked to the long haul product. They are not going to dilute their position!
If Virgin couldn't make it work I find it difficult to see who else can enter the market ?
You are being sold an expensive pup that you are going to fund upfront for the benefit of Londoners with not one iota of a gaurantee of anything back !
The NE taxpayer contribution like Manchester Leeds Liverpool etc required "upfront" will be colossal in relation to what surely would be the mere promise of 2 possibly 3 extra flights at most.
Try asking Newcastle folk if they would prefer a billion pounds worth of direct investment OR the promise
( nothing more) of those 2 or 3 flights.
I wish somebody would challenge Heathrow who are playing fast and loose with this supposition that domestic feed is a given.
Its NOT.
BA are not exactly going to increase capacity when they have a monopoly and can control pricing linked to the long haul product. They are not going to dilute their position!
If Virgin couldn't make it work I find it difficult to see who else can enter the market ?
You are being sold an expensive pup that you are going to fund upfront for the benefit of Londoners with not one iota of a gaurantee of anything back !
Try asking Newcastle folk if they would prefer a billion pounds worth of direct investment
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So if R3 doesn't get built, the money will be spent in the regions - don't make me laugh
To give a bit of context: £20Bn would fund the Manchester Airport TP more than 20x over (and that £1Bn is privately-funded anyway!). In the BREXIT debate we are told that GB pays in to the EU a net £10.5Bn per year which could be better spent elsewhere. Well, we'd need around 21 months worth of that just to fund the LHR support works. And that is after HAL pays for the runway itself (£18.5Bn+). That is how enormous these figures are. And the return for the North from all this is pitiful. Mr Holland-Kaye's charm offensive doesn't change that.
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You're confusing two things here - from a North East perspective, any reduction in LHR's position as a global hub is more likely to benefit AMS/DXB/CDG rather than MAN. MAN doesn't have the range/frequency of services.
If carriers want to be in the UK market they need access to those customers.
Does it matter where the relatively small numbers from the North East traveling long haul actually transfer - BTW use the choice argument BA are available right now and show no signs of going away any time soon !
No R3 and even long delay could be beneficial for Newcastle to actually get its Frankfurt link for A* long haul choice.
Further you absolutely need to look at analysis of where the major growth markets expected will be and surprise surprise its not within the golden triangle FRA/AMS/LHR but regionally within Asia and via the disruptive forces of flexible fare carriers in most other areas. Long haul actually isn't where its at !
Is it therefore something of a surprise that the industries loudest voice for R3 is from Easyjet and what will they offer - More sun sand and ski with perhaps EU cities - Well pretty much what bmi did and even yes that "might" include one or two domestics if you're lucky, but bet your bottom dollar those will be more Edinburgh over Teesside or Liverpool!
However don't let the HAL message that its about global trade mess your mind.
From what i can see and what is certainly the case for Newcastle is that it's grossly underserved in relevant leisure markets
Its own growth and frankly that's what the airport owners operators and shareholders should be far more concerned about is they need to get out and sell the place.Heathrow link is important its in the bag (For decades!) you keep an eye on it but it won't ever increase your revenue or visibility any more than it already does.
Now you need more and new customers at your door (not someone else's!).
Profits to a Qatari/Spanish consortium won't pay Newcastle Airports bills !
As for the range and scope of services from Manchester they are deepening all the time - All alliances are represented and almost every major EU/EFTA economically active region is connected multiple times a day.Plus more Sun and Sand than any other British Airport. Globally we have China/Hong Hong/Singapore/USA effectively daily and more flights to Pakistan than any other airport in Europe !
With the ME3 pretty much anywhere in the Sub-continent and South East Asia is just one stop
We can go via One World if thats your flavour via Helsinki/JFK/ORD limited Madrid and yes LHR but that frequently means two stops to many major destinations with BA railway type frequency preferences (particularly to Asia and JFK) !
With current and envisaged growth Manchester will be certain to add parts of Africa more frequent USA and additional Asia over the next ten years.
And right now there is a recovery in the really important cargo market with something pretty powerful (For box and pallet movements) just around the corner.
Manchester Airport should be the beating heart of the so called Northern Hub not simply more in suburban Slough/Windsor -Ashford/Hounslow regional.
All that does is cement those businesses and shippers in the M4 corridor and helping the youth and entrepreneur in Team Valley how exactly?
Yes thats right off they go down to Feltham renting and further depriving the North East - Thats exactly the sort of economic development the Northern Powerhouse is meant to retard !
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So if R3 doesn't get built, the money will be spent in the regions - don't make me laugh
Some will be reused elsewhere.
Much will be unspent - reducing future public finance deficits
HAL owners will hold on to continued profits and have reduced debt on their spread sheet !
Much unraised capital will find new homes(debt) in other places globally and some might even find its way into regional UK schemes such as Airport City, Newcastle Metro modernisation and expansion.
Oh and subject to remaining in the EU that maritime Highway project to develop Liverpool Humberside Felixstowe and Sunderland harbours into truly capable deep sea container ports allowing goods to be exported and imported without the regular roading and/or transshipment from/to the lowlands of Europe.
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HAL wrote to all MPs at Christmas with an additional offering of Whisky and a few other questionable "goodies".
Could MAG do likewise ?
They can stick to the facts (no need to do offer any sweetners ) outlining the potential horrendous 3rd party costs to the taxpayer.
Most of which was buried in the small print of the airport commission report.
HAL are getting a free run without any questioning from MPs or indeed the media!
It needs to stop!
Could MAG do likewise ?
They can stick to the facts (no need to do offer any sweetners ) outlining the potential horrendous 3rd party costs to the taxpayer.
Most of which was buried in the small print of the airport commission report.
HAL are getting a free run without any questioning from MPs or indeed the media!
It needs to stop!
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HAL are getting a free run without any questioning from MPs or indeed the media
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The current Heathrow/Northern powerhouse campaign just seems a little desperate.
Its a case of LHR wants to expand, the Northern economy is expanding, and wants to tap into that.
However, the MAN-LHR route continues to shrink, the passenger numbers at LHR in general are slightly down, yet MAN is climbing to the 25m mark, so, LHR wants to claim some of that back.
The campaign in which they are doing it though, is clearly not right, and if free gifts are indeed being given to MP's who have the say in LHR expansion, then I Seriously hope that is investigated as it is blatant bribery, regardless how small the gift.
Whether this 'LHR is the only way the northern powerhouse can grow' campaign gains any serious traction remains to be seen, as less and less MAN pax are now using LHR and people are getting savvier, they will see through the bulls**t.
It's no different to when Hainan announced MAN, to which LHR quickly publicised 'Heathrow is the only place to get a direct flight to Mainland China' sponsored by JC Decaux.
I suppose MAN should be flattered that the behmoth that is LHR getting a little threatened by the little old North West and MAN.
Its a case of LHR wants to expand, the Northern economy is expanding, and wants to tap into that.
However, the MAN-LHR route continues to shrink, the passenger numbers at LHR in general are slightly down, yet MAN is climbing to the 25m mark, so, LHR wants to claim some of that back.
The campaign in which they are doing it though, is clearly not right, and if free gifts are indeed being given to MP's who have the say in LHR expansion, then I Seriously hope that is investigated as it is blatant bribery, regardless how small the gift.
Whether this 'LHR is the only way the northern powerhouse can grow' campaign gains any serious traction remains to be seen, as less and less MAN pax are now using LHR and people are getting savvier, they will see through the bulls**t.
It's no different to when Hainan announced MAN, to which LHR quickly publicised 'Heathrow is the only place to get a direct flight to Mainland China' sponsored by JC Decaux.
I suppose MAN should be flattered that the behmoth that is LHR getting a little threatened by the little old North West and MAN.