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In reference to the CAPA report, I too thought the comment was a little off for what is usually a good read.
In terms of the destinations you mentioned as 'seasonal' or ad hoc, I'm sure your aware that Lyon is now daily year round with flybe and Valencia has been made year round by Ryanair. Vim Avia have gained the rights to Manchester-Moscow, but, what they intend to do with them is another matter all together.
As for the CAPA report stating 'BHX will grow faster as MAN has maxed out its European destinations', is a very odd comment for a company that is normally a reliable read and has access to good data.
Firstly, MAN has not maxed out its Euro destinations, not by a long shot.
Seville, Santiago, Jerez, Bordeaux, Lille, Bucharest, Pristina, Skjope, Dresden, Tiriana, Zagreb to name a few destinations that could realistically be served. I've probably missed many other obvious gaps too.
Secondly, even if by chance the destinations had 'maxed out', to simply disregard the growth on existing routes and state another airport will grow quicker based on more destinations left to fill, what a bizarre scenario. Just on capacity increases on existing routes alone MAN outstrips BHX growth (as great as the growth at BHX has been), so I'm genuinely bemused as to how that suggestion made the final edit.
Lastly, just because a destination is served from MAN, does not automatically mean it will work/be served from BHX. Therefore, the lack of destinations is not a guarantee huge growth will come. We are a finite island, the very fact MAN has a route is probably a reason BHX doesn't have said route too, the potential for said route may not be big enough.
Just a very odd article this time around, it's full of so many inaccuracies too, so, I just don't know what it was trying to get across to be honest.
In reference to the CAPA report, I too thought the comment was a little off for what is usually a good read.
In terms of the destinations you mentioned as 'seasonal' or ad hoc, I'm sure your aware that Lyon is now daily year round with flybe and Valencia has been made year round by Ryanair. Vim Avia have gained the rights to Manchester-Moscow, but, what they intend to do with them is another matter all together.
As for the CAPA report stating 'BHX will grow faster as MAN has maxed out its European destinations', is a very odd comment for a company that is normally a reliable read and has access to good data.
Firstly, MAN has not maxed out its Euro destinations, not by a long shot.
Seville, Santiago, Jerez, Bordeaux, Lille, Bucharest, Pristina, Skjope, Dresden, Tiriana, Zagreb to name a few destinations that could realistically be served. I've probably missed many other obvious gaps too.
Secondly, even if by chance the destinations had 'maxed out', to simply disregard the growth on existing routes and state another airport will grow quicker based on more destinations left to fill, what a bizarre scenario. Just on capacity increases on existing routes alone MAN outstrips BHX growth (as great as the growth at BHX has been), so I'm genuinely bemused as to how that suggestion made the final edit.
Lastly, just because a destination is served from MAN, does not automatically mean it will work/be served from BHX. Therefore, the lack of destinations is not a guarantee huge growth will come. We are a finite island, the very fact MAN has a route is probably a reason BHX doesn't have said route too, the potential for said route may not be big enough.
Just a very odd article this time around, it's full of so many inaccuracies too, so, I just don't know what it was trying to get across to be honest.
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Thanks for the corrections, LAX. Only this week I have had two people bemoan to me about having to fly from other airports to Lyon and Valencia due to lack of service from MAN. I didn't check, and neither it seems did they
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BHX may well grow faster but its growth will need to be more than double that of MAN to actually start to catch up in actual terms. In the same way MAN's growth figures need to be more than 3x LHR's figures to close the gap in actual passengers. These stats are worthless at face value but make good headlines I guess.
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MAG, BAA version 2?
If you look at all of the airports in the MAG group, none of them are growing fast. I think this speaks volumes. It's almost like MAG have become the BAA they used to despise!
Perhaps the management teams at the airports are losing passion which is so often the case when managed by a head office that doesn't understand the local requirements.
It is certainly showing through in the lack of independence for each airport under MAG control.
You just need to look at the speed of growth at similar airports oversees and even some back home like Glasgow, Belfast, Bristol, airports which arn't any better or worse per se than MAG airports in terms of catchment areas and local road access.
Perhaps the management teams at the airports are losing passion which is so often the case when managed by a head office that doesn't understand the local requirements.
It is certainly showing through in the lack of independence for each airport under MAG control.
You just need to look at the speed of growth at similar airports oversees and even some back home like Glasgow, Belfast, Bristol, airports which arn't any better or worse per se than MAG airports in terms of catchment areas and local road access.
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If you look at all of the airports in the MAG group, none of them are growing fast.
It's almost like MAG have become the BAA they used to despise!
Perhaps the management teams at the airports are losing passion which is so often the case when managed by a head office that doesn't understand the local requirements.
It is certainly showing through in the lack of independence for each airport under MAG control.
You just need to look at the speed of growth at similar airports oversees and even some back home like Glasgow, Belfast, Bristol, airports which arn't any better or worse per se than MAG airports in terms of catchment areas and local road access.
ACL is forecasting 13% increase in seats ex-MAN this Summer. There are still some doubtfuls in there (a 'paper' airline to LCA, some remaining Egypt programmes annotated as TBC, Pegasus daily SAW), so lets call it +12%. That is still outstanding growth. And remember that over recent seasons MAN load factors have grown ahead of capacity increases.
Challenges remain (inevitably) as in any large business, but your criticism appears way OTT.
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I'm assuming Shamrock7seals comments are aimed purely based on BOH, his local, rather than MAG as a whole.
To say that no airports in the MAG group are growing fast is just a laughable statement.
Shed has gone into a fair bit of detail, but, when STN is getting back to its previous best after being brought of said BAA, MAN on track for over 25m and some of the most diverse destinations it's ever had, EMA cargo on the rise, I really am struggling to take the comments without also taking a pinch from the salt shaker.....
To say that no airports in the MAG group are growing fast is just a laughable statement.
Shed has gone into a fair bit of detail, but, when STN is getting back to its previous best after being brought of said BAA, MAN on track for over 25m and some of the most diverse destinations it's ever had, EMA cargo on the rise, I really am struggling to take the comments without also taking a pinch from the salt shaker.....
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A couple of points to follow up recent postings.
First: un-served or poorly-served destinations in Europe. Nice is the one I should have mentioned, not Lyon. A friend with French family connections says he makes the trip several times a year and mostly has to go from LPL due to the ad hoc seasonal nature of Jet 2's schedule from MAN. He adds that the LPL flight is full of 'Manchester people'. I would have thought MAN-NCE is a year round bet and ripe for FlyBe.
Second: Virgin picks up where TCX dropped out. The 2017 addition of SFO and increased service to BOS which was planned by TCX and now taken up by Virgin. The reasons for TCX changing their mind may well be to do with aircraft availability, and we don't know for how long Virgin have been planning the new routes or indeed whether the two developments are related. Nevertheless it underlines a theme which is the essence of MAN - that no airline attains a dominant position. Just as TCX were nearing a critical mass on USA services they pause, and another long-term but slow-growing airline moves up a notch to balance things out. There is no other airport like MAN in the UK, or in Europe as far as I can gather, without the flag carrier and in the 25M pax p.a. range.
First: un-served or poorly-served destinations in Europe. Nice is the one I should have mentioned, not Lyon. A friend with French family connections says he makes the trip several times a year and mostly has to go from LPL due to the ad hoc seasonal nature of Jet 2's schedule from MAN. He adds that the LPL flight is full of 'Manchester people'. I would have thought MAN-NCE is a year round bet and ripe for FlyBe.
Second: Virgin picks up where TCX dropped out. The 2017 addition of SFO and increased service to BOS which was planned by TCX and now taken up by Virgin. The reasons for TCX changing their mind may well be to do with aircraft availability, and we don't know for how long Virgin have been planning the new routes or indeed whether the two developments are related. Nevertheless it underlines a theme which is the essence of MAN - that no airline attains a dominant position. Just as TCX were nearing a critical mass on USA services they pause, and another long-term but slow-growing airline moves up a notch to balance things out. There is no other airport like MAN in the UK, or in Europe as far as I can gather, without the flag carrier and in the 25M pax p.a. range.
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similar airports oversees and even some back home like Glasgow, Belfast,
Any more MEB3 capacity to be mined at MAN or are we done?
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Direct to places like KL, Bangkok, Cape Town, Tokyo; non-stop to Singapore; and increased frequency to Hong Kong are much less likely if the MEB3 are operating 10 flights a day from MAN.
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Virgin Atlantic boosts Transatlantic offering from Manchester :: Routesonline
Good read on Virgin's Manchester expansion with fancy graph.
Good read on Virgin's Manchester expansion with fancy graph.
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MANTP work to start soon?
According to an article in Airport Business, work will start in April on the first stage of the Transformation scheme. That I belief is earlier than we had previously been advised.
Also of interest is mention that improvements will be made to T3 'to cater for an increased demand and an expanding flight schedule'.
Any thoughts, not daydreams, appreciated as always.
Also of interest is mention that improvements will be made to T3 'to cater for an increased demand and an expanding flight schedule'.
Any thoughts, not daydreams, appreciated as always.
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When SFO and BOS start? Seems odd, ATL has been very popular on the face of it!
Until we know the final schedules for s2017, it's difficult to assess, but if ATL is reduced to 5 x weekly, will it enable VS to operate their program with 4 based a/c rather than 5?
Be careful what you wish for. Each uplift in MEB3 capacity kicks future non-stops to places like KL and Bangkok etc further out in to the distance.
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Also of interest is mention that improvements will be made to T3 'to cater for an increased demand and an expanding flight schedule'.
Looking at the analysis of increased capacity posted recently I noticed big increases from Ryanair and FlyBe. Also add Vueling to that at a lesser level. All of these operate out of T3 which in my humble opinion is already over-crowded without any increase for 2016. Any improvements in the T3 experience can't come soon enough.
It's a long time since I've used KL or AF simply because they operate out of T3 and the awful experience has made me choose non-T3 traveling options.
Anyone know what the proposed improvements are and when they might be available?