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Old 25th Feb 2016, 15:57
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Is any of this utter drivel actually relevant to the airlines, airports and routes thread in which it finds itself?

And by the way, the new Thomas Cook flying seems to have disappeared just as quickly as it appeared on their website.
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 16:31
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The Manchester thread has a history of being binned for going waaaaaaay off topic, surely this is fine for Jet Blast - PPRuNe Forums but killing the vibe of what is often, a very good read.

btw In the analysis business you can't "use stats to prove anything" to an intelligent and informed audience. One needs to be very wary of selective stats out of context. Anyway back on topic.....

When is Saudia moving to a B787 operation at MAN?
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Hi Skip
The Saudi should change for summer schedule because at present
they only have 3 aircraft

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Old 25th Feb 2016, 16:53
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Is any of this utter drivel actually relevant to the airlines, airports and routes thread in which it finds itself?
If you believe that the debate surrounding the disparity of public infrastructure expenditure in London and the South-East versus the regions is "utter drivel", may I suggest that you e.mail Manchester Airport Managing Director Ken O' Toole and tell him that? Because he delivered a powerful keynote conference speech on this very topic just this morning. In fact, it is directly because the Manchester Airport MD raised the topic today that it is being discussed in the 'Manchester Airport' thread. If the boss of the airport believes it is relevant, I suggest the subject is fair game for discussion here on the same day he spoke. That you may not like it is another matter altogether.

Don't forget that none of the regular contributors force you to read the "utter drivel" written on here. You do so by your own volition. So if you don't want to read it that's fine, but others find it of interest. Live and let live. Or maybe we should just consign the MD of Manchester Airport and his conference address to Jet Blast as well!??? Some in London would like that very much. Skip - where are you again? ;-)

By the way, excellent article linked in post 4344 above. Thanks eye2eye5.

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Old 25th Feb 2016, 17:17
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Ken O Toole MD of Manchester Airport airport has just had massive exposure Live on Sky News outlining the points referenced here and we have some posters with the temerity to say it's not relevant to this thread!

REALLY, I MEAN REALLY. .......

This is possibly THEE biggest story in years !

Not since Gil Thompson have we had such exposure

I'm incredulous!

But well done KOT utterly brilliant !!!!!!

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Old 25th Feb 2016, 17:29
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Comparative to other UK regions the North West gets more public spending on transport than any other region (with the exception of London), let's indeed hope it's re-balanced fairly.
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The MD of any airport, whether it be Manchester or Gloucester / Staverton (no offence intended, I use it as an example) is a local business leader who is entitled to make an active contribution to the area which his or her airport serves. That such comment warrants a page and a half of self-serving, facile drivel about comparative IRR and NPV of investments in the south versus the north on here is to the wider detriment of any sensible real-world debate about your airport.

I'd be more worried if I were you about why your local airline has pulled its expansion plans for S17 from the public domain less than 24 hours after releasing them! I note that this hasn't even merited a mention, but guess that contributors to this thread are only allowed to report good news. Certainly seems that way, judging by the literary assault by PM I received from one of the regular contributors to this thread after posting some factual information a wee while ago which didn't accord with that day's version of Pravda.

Still, feel free to carry on, as no doubt you will anyway.
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Regarding the TCX expansion and its disappearance, IIRC the same thing happened at the time of the initial appearance of LAX and BOS so I would be patient.
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That happens with most airlines computer systems as details are loaded
into the booking engine and will reappear at the appropriate moment

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Old 25th Feb 2016, 20:19
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Worth noting is the ample remote parking, the lack of check in desks, nice glass facade. It's got the potential to be something great. I'm impressed
Why only three fingers? More contact gates are needed rather than remote parking. I agree landside improvements look good but airside looks underwhelming.
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Old 25th Feb 2016, 20:25
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Doubting Thomas?

Spoke to a TCX (MT) pilot friend today - SFO etc is happening next year. They are heavily committed to the MAN long-haul strategy now, having nearly walked away from long-haul altogether three years ago. They seem to be gaining some market traction - the MAN-USA services are being boosted by Lufthansa feed from Germany in the tie-up with Condor (strange but true) and by Flybe within the UK. Now looking to acquire more A330s. On the downside, the arrangement with Condor probably means no direct MT flights from MAN going East to the likes of BKK or India, that's Condor country from FRA. Enter The Dragon.
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On the downside, the arrangement with Condor probably means no direct MT flights from MAN going East to the likes of BKK or India, that's Condor country from FRA.
I suspect that may change if TOM ever start to build a significant number of direct longhaul routes going East from MAN. After all, in the other direction Condor has a large number of nonstop westbound flights from Germany to North America and the Caribbean.

The biggest hurdle for both TCX and TOM going East is more likely to be the MEB3 rather than each other (or Condor), since EK/EY/QR are particularly strong to destinations such as BKK, Phuket, Bali etc via their ME hubs.

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Old 26th Feb 2016, 08:17
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Impressive fly-through video shows how Manchester Airport will look after £1bn transformation - Manchester Evening News
Did we loose a pier? I noticed the current ones seem longer than in the initial renders. Also, it looks like the cargo/storage stands on the far side have gone to enable the dual-Code E taxi-lanes. I am still leery about the piers and could-a-sacs as these tend to be quite inefficient, especially if you have peaky operations, which MAN tends to have. Look at PHL vs ATL in how long push-back times take. There is also the problem of only having one-way out and the associate delays. While the removal of pier C is an improvement, I am not sure that I agree that the overall layout is very efficiently designed; though this may be the best that the consultants could come up with given the constraints placed on them.
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No there was only ever 3 piers on the plans so we have gained the possibility of an extra 1.

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Keep up my friend posted yesterday, see post 4338

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Old 26th Feb 2016, 09:33
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Originally Posted by chaps1954
No there was only ever 3 piers on the plans so we have gained the possibility of an extra 1.

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I'd be interested to see the long term plans for the T1/3 area.

You could see the as envisaged T2 airbridges make a 90degree left hand turn to run parallel to the runway for the LoCo carriers who could have a dedicated terminal space.
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 10:41
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I think the idea is that MAN has the new bussing 'pier' ready early to give a lot of stand capacity whilst the others are being built (presumably, one by one).


I don't believe there is a T1/T3 detailed plan as yet. The industry evolves too quickly to need a plan for it all. At the moment, the plan is to get as many airlines as possible into T2 and then look to see what is needed in more detail in 10-15 years time I would have thought.
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I think Ethiopia posts the news to promote their own blog/site, so, probably knew the news had been posted already.

In terms of T3, one of the video blurbs to accompany the fly through showed Brad Miller and he clearly said 'T3 will also be enlarged', so, it's probably to be released at a later date.

MAG still confident that the main build (in terms of the actual start of the T2 TP) will be starting next month.
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 14:43
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Manchester Airport calls for an 'APD holiday' on new long haul flights

Manchester Airport calls for an 'APD holiday' on new long haul flights - Manchester Evening News
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Old 26th Feb 2016, 17:24
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"MAG still confident that the main build (in terms of the actual start of the T2 TP) will be starting next month"


Ooh, steady on LAX, no construction contracts let yet, bidding still in progress via OJEU processes. Winning bidder likely to be chosen in May and construction to start in the Autumn.
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