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Correct. Only T2 and T3 will exist, to with T3 being almost exclusively for the likes of flybe, Ryanair and the likes.
As said, there are expected to bery few widebody gates at T3, maybe 1 at a push.
As said, there are expected to bery few widebody gates at T3, maybe 1 at a push.
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Any idea of the pier size with CBP or more specifically how many gates will be available down stairs and up stairs if required?
Will be interesting to see the size of the place overall and will non US flights be allows at same time!
The plans showd to media show really small piers while I know its only an impression alarm bells would be going off if it was that small.
Any idea of the pier size with CBP or more specifically how many gates will be available down stairs and up stairs if required?
Will be interesting to see the size of the place overall and will non US flights be allows at same time!
The plans showd to media show really small piers while I know its only an impression alarm bells would be going off if it was that small.
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What Lax_LHR has written is very similar to what I understand to be the case except I've seen a timeframe that doesn't see T1 go until 2030 so it's extrapolated from his timeframe. Not saying either is 'right', probably produced at different times and things evolve.
In general it sounds good though and we'll see the big extension towards the M56 with the first new pier in only a few years.
In general it sounds good though and we'll see the big extension towards the M56 with the first new pier in only a few years.
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Brad Miller seemed confident that T1 would be gone in 2025.
The initial consultations had the T1 check in being used right through the construction project, but, they now expect all airlines will be long gone from Terminal 1 by the end of the project.
The reason T2 probably doesn't look as big is because MAG are going to be using new, yet Un-patented technologies to assist in check in. This would mean that for the best part, the majority of check in will form as a bag drop function, rather than the queues for seat allocations and so on as now.
I'm just trying to format the PDFs to demonstrate the phases. Might be later this evening.
The initial consultations had the T1 check in being used right through the construction project, but, they now expect all airlines will be long gone from Terminal 1 by the end of the project.
The reason T2 probably doesn't look as big is because MAG are going to be using new, yet Un-patented technologies to assist in check in. This would mean that for the best part, the majority of check in will form as a bag drop function, rather than the queues for seat allocations and so on as now.
I'm just trying to format the PDFs to demonstrate the phases. Might be later this evening.
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hopefully the timeframe has been shortened then. If it were all done by 2025 then that would be impressive. 10 years to design and build is good going given the scale of the thing.
Not sure about the walk from T2 check-in to the end of Pier B mind. Looks an awfully long way.
Not sure about the walk from T2 check-in to the end of Pier B mind. Looks an awfully long way.
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A lot of the building will be pre-fabricated off site, in an aim to cut construction disruption. The first pier and extra apron will take about 2-3 years, but, as they learn the process, they expect the other piers to be finished very quickly.
The final plans are some way off yet, so, I suppose the timings are still fluid.
The walk from the end of pier B to the T2 main building is going to be a long one. I would have suggested travel atoms, but, let's face it, MAN doesn't exactly have a great track record of keeping the ones they have running!.....
The final plans are some way off yet, so, I suppose the timings are still fluid.
The walk from the end of pier B to the T2 main building is going to be a long one. I would have suggested travel atoms, but, let's face it, MAN doesn't exactly have a great track record of keeping the ones they have running!.....
So, the plans are now finalised?
Are they going for the T2 extension all the way along up to T3 or is 'B' pier staying?
Are they going for the T2 extension all the way along up to T3 or is 'B' pier staying?
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B pier is staying in a refurbished form.
T2 will now expand west, pretty much up to the M56, with just the perimeter road between the apron and motorway.
T2 will sweep around and join up to pier B, and a dual taxiway where pier C is.
T2 will now expand west, pretty much up to the M56, with just the perimeter road between the apron and motorway.
T2 will sweep around and join up to pier B, and a dual taxiway where pier C is.
Ok thanks Lax.
The airport got their way then.
The airport got their way then.
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try walking at Dallas or right from one end to the other at CDG
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try walking at Dallas or right from one end to the other at CDG
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Have to say I'm intrigued that the method of construction is being talked about when, as far as am aware, MAG hasn't even appointed the design team yet that will do the detailed design work. Until a building is designed, you're generally not in a position to confirm how it will be built...The deadline for tenders for provision of design services only closed at the start of July, so it will be some weeks before a team is appointed?
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I'm just relaying what I, and apparently many others have been told.
One would assume MAG are fairly confident of the building method if the boss of the development saying it?
I'm just relaying what I, and apparently many others have been told.
One would assume MAG are fairly confident of the building method if the boss of the development saying it?
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Any idea of the pier size with CBP or more specifically how many gates will be available down stairs and up stairs if required?
Will be interesting to see the size of the place overall and will non US flights be allows at same time!
The plans showd to media show really small piers while I know its only an impression alarm bells would be going off if it was that small.
Will be interesting to see the size of the place overall and will non US flights be allows at same time!
The plans showd to media show really small piers while I know its only an impression alarm bells would be going off if it was that small.
As for pier size. They really can't be much longer than what is shown in the artist renditions without having to demolish the freight terminal. There just isn't space to put a taxi-lane in if you lengthen them. I imagine that MAN would want Code E accessibility to all gates, since this is what the vast majority of US bound aircraft will be in the not too distant future (there may be no Code D aircraft left in 15 years).
Question: Does anyone know if the new construction will be a 3 or 4 level design? Currently only T3 has a 3 level pathway (domestic arrivals, international arrivals, departures). This is a real hassle for flights from the UK arriving in the other terminals.
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It's not uncommon for building methods and materials to be specified by a client in the brief I believe. In this case, MAN need to maintain an operational airport during construction and will also (presumably) want all of the piers to be identical for reasons of cost, familiarity, speed of construction etc.. It would make sense for parts to be constructed away from the pier itself and moved into place during the Airports overnight closures each night.
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What over night closure. The airport must remain open 24 hours.
Also I thought the new 9000 space car park under the threshold of 23R was to take all the current parking to the west of T2. Clearly not but I have no idea where this new car parking to the west of T2 is going to go as there seems to be no room.
On a separate note despite all the noises on Airport City there seems to be no action whatsoever not even on the Hotel which again I thought was due to be under construction by now
Also I thought the new 9000 space car park under the threshold of 23R was to take all the current parking to the west of T2. Clearly not but I have no idea where this new car parking to the west of T2 is going to go as there seems to be no room.
On a separate note despite all the noises on Airport City there seems to be no action whatsoever not even on the Hotel which again I thought was due to be under construction by now
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Don`t the airport own a lot of land to the west not in use at present near
the viewing park.
I am told there should be action on hotel from about October or maybe a bit earlier.
the viewing park.
I am told there should be action on hotel from about October or maybe a bit earlier.