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I think TCX has caused quite a stir and are turning into quite a potent force, UA and AA with their poor service have a got a fight on the hands
especially with TCX going 6 a week on JFK next year and LAX and BOS
Ian
I think TCX has caused quite a stir and are turning into quite a potent force, UA and AA with their poor service have a got a fight on the hands
especially with TCX going 6 a week on JFK next year and LAX and BOS
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I do think TCX has caused quite a stir, and with MAN being leisure orientated, TCX has the right product to make it work, and, if the doubling of JFK flights is anything to go by, it does seem to be working for TCX.
I think next year will be interesting to see if LAX and BOS do well, and well enough to cause a reaction from other airlines.
Given the new partnership and focus from VS/DL, I think they are more likely to react, as VS could easily give LAX a try now they have increased their LHR-LAX offering and being a delta hub, and DL *could* try BOS on the B757 if they deem it worth a go.
In terms of TCX, the rumour is that the next new routes will go east, which in itself will be a gamble given how strong the Eastern market is from MAN, but, I wouldn't be surprised if TCX gave SFO/OAK a go, and possibly DEN for a winter market flight?
I think next year will be interesting to see if LAX and BOS do well, and well enough to cause a reaction from other airlines.
Given the new partnership and focus from VS/DL, I think they are more likely to react, as VS could easily give LAX a try now they have increased their LHR-LAX offering and being a delta hub, and DL *could* try BOS on the B757 if they deem it worth a go.
In terms of TCX, the rumour is that the next new routes will go east, which in itself will be a gamble given how strong the Eastern market is from MAN, but, I wouldn't be surprised if TCX gave SFO/OAK a go, and possibly DEN for a winter market flight?
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Keeping my council tax down...
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And the consequencies for airport users,
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While I know MAN has its issues and I'm not hiding that, skytrax and review sites should be taken with a pinch of salt. People will more often wrote to say they had a crap experience as it helps them vent. Very few actually take the time to write they had a 'normal or good' experience.
It's like the old adage. Have a good experience, you may tell 3-4 people. Have a bad experience, and you tell 10-20 people.
Hence, you will ALWAYS see more bad reviews than good.
It's like the old adage. Have a good experience, you may tell 3-4 people. Have a bad experience, and you tell 10-20 people.
Hence, you will ALWAYS see more bad reviews than good.
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I agree up to a point but look at the trend here:
Munich Airport Customer Reviews | SKYTRAX
Plenty of positive reports and importantly terminal cleanliness scores highly. The culture of poor maintenance prevalent at Manchester and highlighted in so many reviews simply isnt there at Munich. Just an example.
Munich Airport Customer Reviews | SKYTRAX
Plenty of positive reports and importantly terminal cleanliness scores highly. The culture of poor maintenance prevalent at Manchester and highlighted in so many reviews simply isnt there at Munich. Just an example.
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Manchester Airport boss Ken O'Toole reacts to booming financial results - Manchester Evening News
A long article, but scrolling down to "New Routes" it's good to see India getting a specific mention as well as mainland China. Nothing definite I know, but it keeps the pot gently bubbling.
A long article, but scrolling down to "New Routes" it's good to see India getting a specific mention as well as mainland China. Nothing definite I know, but it keeps the pot gently bubbling.
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Must confess they do seem to have discovered their mojo when it comes to putting PR out. We are almost back to the heady days of "Sir Gil".
Much much more emphasis on "hub" which is now in almost every statement.
Still pushing for India and remarkably suggesting both Delhi AND Mumbai would work !
Pre Clearance review imminent - great
Nice comment about being the only major "UK owned Airport"
Perhaps a nod to those who gush about the financial benefits of expanding LHR and LGW !
Numerous MPs have a habit of quoting this in the context of other business streams, worth re iterating when Juan and his team start building in the South East.
Bit more emphasis about benefits of being a part of the "Northern economy as opposed to just Manchester.
Still 4m using LHR, interestingly The Mirror today reports that 2M "Holidaymakers are jetting out of ....wait for it Heathrow this month, Holidaymakers / Heathrow in same statement , surely not !
Contd emphasis on connectivity thru Rail
Excellent 9/10
Summer Homework
Ensure a robust plan is in place by September Term to ensure message is seen in Midlands, Yorkshire, Mid, North Wales and Scotland and South West.....critical that perceptions in these locals are changed !
Reach has to be beyond the M E N.
Otherwise splendid !!!!!!!!!!!!
Must confess they do seem to have discovered their mojo when it comes to putting PR out. We are almost back to the heady days of "Sir Gil".
Much much more emphasis on "hub" which is now in almost every statement.
Still pushing for India and remarkably suggesting both Delhi AND Mumbai would work !
Pre Clearance review imminent - great
Nice comment about being the only major "UK owned Airport"
Perhaps a nod to those who gush about the financial benefits of expanding LHR and LGW !
Numerous MPs have a habit of quoting this in the context of other business streams, worth re iterating when Juan and his team start building in the South East.
Bit more emphasis about benefits of being a part of the "Northern economy as opposed to just Manchester.
Still 4m using LHR, interestingly The Mirror today reports that 2M "Holidaymakers are jetting out of ....wait for it Heathrow this month, Holidaymakers / Heathrow in same statement , surely not !
Contd emphasis on connectivity thru Rail
Excellent 9/10
Summer Homework
Ensure a robust plan is in place by September Term to ensure message is seen in Midlands, Yorkshire, Mid, North Wales and Scotland and South West.....critical that perceptions in these locals are changed !
Reach has to be beyond the M E N.
Otherwise splendid !!!!!!!!!!!!
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Who hubs at MAN?
flybe?
Lots of loco p2p and inbound long haul from long haul hubs but MAN is a spoke, not a hub.
Unless "base" now = "hub" in all cases.
Again bagso, keen to message the LBA/GLA/EDI/LPL etc catchment area to use MAN but it's an appaling idea for MAN's catchment to use LHR. Do you see a word beginning with "h" in there perhaps?
flybe?
Lots of loco p2p and inbound long haul from long haul hubs but MAN is a spoke, not a hub.
Unless "base" now = "hub" in all cases.
Again bagso, keen to message the LBA/GLA/EDI/LPL etc catchment area to use MAN but it's an appaling idea for MAN's catchment to use LHR. Do you see a word beginning with "h" in there perhaps?
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Ah Skip Morning
Well at last count we had 14 UK domestic routes served primarily 3/4 times a day from Inverness to Southampton and Norwich to Belfast.
AND Manchester is also sat epi-centre in respect of 4 of the UKs largest cities. Liverpool, Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield. 18 in all.
You might think we are hanging onto Heathrows tail but quite a few are hanging onto ours !
From memory AMS also serves 18 UK domestic routes, factoring in the proximity of Manchester to Liverpool, Leeds etc by road/rail I would suggest the claim in the MEN is not misplaced !
Whilst in your eyes there may be a touch of spin it is as nothing compared to the propaganda being pumped out by YourHeathrow.
Even Barry Scott would struggle to clear that up !
Well at last count we had 14 UK domestic routes served primarily 3/4 times a day from Inverness to Southampton and Norwich to Belfast.
AND Manchester is also sat epi-centre in respect of 4 of the UKs largest cities. Liverpool, Leeds, Bradford, Sheffield. 18 in all.
You might think we are hanging onto Heathrows tail but quite a few are hanging onto ours !
From memory AMS also serves 18 UK domestic routes, factoring in the proximity of Manchester to Liverpool, Leeds etc by road/rail I would suggest the claim in the MEN is not misplaced !
Whilst in your eyes there may be a touch of spin it is as nothing compared to the propaganda being pumped out by YourHeathrow.
Even Barry Scott would struggle to clear that up !
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Skip, why do you find it so objectionable for those of us in the North West to want to see MAN realise its full potential just as you want to see LHR do likewise? And even if Ken O'Toole did use slight poetic licence in promoting MAN in that article, do you believe LHR's propoganda for the 3rd runway was totally legit?
Edit: As far as I can see, it was the journalist who used the term 'hub' for MAN. In the actual quotes, Ken O'Toole simply refers to the 'airport' and then 'route base' for passengers from other regions.
Can I also suggest that it is possible to interpret 'hub' in the wider context of transport connectivity by rail, road etc. as well as just air.
Anyway, just trawled the Telegraph business section on line for any mention of MAG's financial results. Unsuccessful so far. No surprise there, but will keep trying. Did spot this little gem though.
Heathrow third runway opponents left out of Cabinet committee on airport expansion - Telegraph
Just a hint of a stitch-up maybe??
Edit: As far as I can see, it was the journalist who used the term 'hub' for MAN. In the actual quotes, Ken O'Toole simply refers to the 'airport' and then 'route base' for passengers from other regions.
Can I also suggest that it is possible to interpret 'hub' in the wider context of transport connectivity by rail, road etc. as well as just air.
Anyway, just trawled the Telegraph business section on line for any mention of MAG's financial results. Unsuccessful so far. No surprise there, but will keep trying. Did spot this little gem though.
Heathrow third runway opponents left out of Cabinet committee on airport expansion - Telegraph
Just a hint of a stitch-up maybe??
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Of course it is a stitch up. Keep Lhr in major pole position, keep competition amongst the big boys to a minimum, make sure Lgw and any potential new entrants there doesn't stand a chance and hey presto, they can charge almost what they want!
And who pays?
And they try to market this as the best option for Britain.
But who in Britain, certainly not joe public!
TB
And who pays?
And they try to market this as the best option for Britain.
But who in Britain, certainly not joe public!
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both the bbc breaking business news live blog and sky reported the results - interview on R4 Today programme and there's a 21 second video clip on the sky website which must have been part of a longer interview. So the message is getting out there.
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Brilliant, and a great byline !
And best news ,was the main emphasis certainly in that clip at least, was back on Manchester. Full interview anybody ?
Clearly the own goal in terms of sidelining Manchester during the Davies Review Submission has at least been acknowledged and clarity has returned.
And apparent coverage on R4 as well. Excellent !
I'm almost giddy!
Precisely the kind of reach I have been talking about for a number of years.
I will sleep easy in my bed tonight !
Brilliant, and a great byline !
And best news ,was the main emphasis certainly in that clip at least, was back on Manchester. Full interview anybody ?
Clearly the own goal in terms of sidelining Manchester during the Davies Review Submission has at least been acknowledged and clarity has returned.
And apparent coverage on R4 as well. Excellent !
I'm almost giddy!
Precisely the kind of reach I have been talking about for a number of years.
I will sleep easy in my bed tonight !
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Ringwayman, that's great to hear. Interview on 'Today' is certainly a step up as well as reporting on BBC Business and Sky. Actually my comments were aimed at the London-centric Daily Telegraph to which I really ought to stop my subscription. (I get it mainly for the cryptic crossword!)
As Bagso says, definitely looking better on the media / PR front.
As Bagso says, definitely looking better on the media / PR front.
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I owe the Telegraph an apology - sort of.
On page 5 of today's Business section hard copy is a small article that refers to MAG's financial results in the last paragraph - sort of. Can't find it on-line to do a link.
I'm afraid Bagso this might detract from your sleeping peacefully tonight but it's headed "Let Stansted relieve the airport pressure"
It refers to the owner of Stansted, the country's fastest growing terminal, saying that the Airports Commission should have made stronger recommendations about how Britain's smaller airports (plural, note) could help tackle the capacity crisis until a new runway is built in the SE. Apparently, Charlie Cornish said that the Essex airport would be "absolutely key" to relieving pressure in the short term as it's far from reaching capacity.
Did Charlie mention MAN you may well ask? I'd be amazed if he didn't. And in a piece of over 200 words, the only direct quote was the 2 words shown above.
And those financial results? Well it doesn't actually show them, but does say that passengers at Stansted rose 16.1% to 20.9m and at Manchester 7.2% to 22.3m, with their growth being stronger than LHR and LGW combined.
Thank heavens for the BBC, SKY and the M.E.N.
On page 5 of today's Business section hard copy is a small article that refers to MAG's financial results in the last paragraph - sort of. Can't find it on-line to do a link.
I'm afraid Bagso this might detract from your sleeping peacefully tonight but it's headed "Let Stansted relieve the airport pressure"
It refers to the owner of Stansted, the country's fastest growing terminal, saying that the Airports Commission should have made stronger recommendations about how Britain's smaller airports (plural, note) could help tackle the capacity crisis until a new runway is built in the SE. Apparently, Charlie Cornish said that the Essex airport would be "absolutely key" to relieving pressure in the short term as it's far from reaching capacity.
Did Charlie mention MAN you may well ask? I'd be amazed if he didn't. And in a piece of over 200 words, the only direct quote was the 2 words shown above.
And those financial results? Well it doesn't actually show them, but does say that passengers at Stansted rose 16.1% to 20.9m and at Manchester 7.2% to 22.3m, with their growth being stronger than LHR and LGW combined.
Thank heavens for the BBC, SKY and the M.E.N.
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And thank heaven for The Times
Don?t forget us in runways debate, says Manchester and Stansted owner | The Times
Don?t forget us in runways debate, says Manchester and Stansted owner | The Times
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Good spot Bagso.
The Times article also included this comment, something which the (London) Telegraph obviously deemed unimportant.
"Manchester Airports Group, which owns London’s fast-growing third airport, also wants decisions about how Manchester could become the hub for the so-called northern powerhouse".
The Times article also included this comment, something which the (London) Telegraph obviously deemed unimportant.
"Manchester Airports Group, which owns London’s fast-growing third airport, also wants decisions about how Manchester could become the hub for the so-called northern powerhouse".