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Continuing CGN is an interesting call. It's more or less the same distance as GRQ. Clearly, it's not been an outstanding success so far, but it could still be a sound bet if Stobart are looking for another daily rotation for the ATR we believe must be coming in.
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A bit confused about the whole Skywork vs. Powdair situation at the moment. Appears Powdair are out and Skywork are in. A translated article today reads:
Skywork takes off flights from Sion. No connection with Powdair.
The Swiss regional airline Skywork Airlines expands its flight offer to Sion airport on 14 December 2017. From there the cities Hamburg, Bristol, Antwerp, London-Luton, London Southend and Southampton will be offered.
One thing in advance: In the last few days there was a lot of confusion in the industry, because Skywork product, which is unrelated to the Powdair startup.
"Skywork Airlines, with the addition of these routes, is loosening the market from Sion and has no contractual relationship with the 'virtual airline' Powdair. Skywork is the only airline available on the market airport, such as London-Luton, Hamburg and Manchester, and Skywork will be able to use the appropriate aircraft size" said a spokesman for the regional airline.
"Powdair does not have a code, because Powdair is not an airline (it does not have an AOC), and as a result Powdair cannot have any slots, there is no contractual relationship between Skywork and Powdair.
Skywork Airlines is a Swiss regional airline operating on turboprops of the types Dornier 328 and Saab 2000. The first type of machine is scheduled to be removed in the course of the year. Currently, Skywork is evaluating the influence of regional jets, according to a spokesperson for the Embraer 190, Sukhio Superjet
According to PowdAir they are in negotiations with SkyWork for them to operate on their behalf, but only if SkyWork can secure a jet aircraft for the operational period. So basically Skywork will operate the route this winter, with or without Powdair. Looks like they want to operate it by themselves.
In addition: "I can confirm that Powdair and Skywork are in negotiations," explains Stewart, "however, nothing has yet been decided and we are negotiating with several partners. We knew nothing about the flights of flights through Skywork. Possibly, this is a negotiating tactic "According to him, the flight times and slots were secured for Powdair - contrary to what claimed Skywork.
Skywork takes off flights from Sion. No connection with Powdair.
The Swiss regional airline Skywork Airlines expands its flight offer to Sion airport on 14 December 2017. From there the cities Hamburg, Bristol, Antwerp, London-Luton, London Southend and Southampton will be offered.
One thing in advance: In the last few days there was a lot of confusion in the industry, because Skywork product, which is unrelated to the Powdair startup.
"Skywork Airlines, with the addition of these routes, is loosening the market from Sion and has no contractual relationship with the 'virtual airline' Powdair. Skywork is the only airline available on the market airport, such as London-Luton, Hamburg and Manchester, and Skywork will be able to use the appropriate aircraft size" said a spokesman for the regional airline.
"Powdair does not have a code, because Powdair is not an airline (it does not have an AOC), and as a result Powdair cannot have any slots, there is no contractual relationship between Skywork and Powdair.
Skywork Airlines is a Swiss regional airline operating on turboprops of the types Dornier 328 and Saab 2000. The first type of machine is scheduled to be removed in the course of the year. Currently, Skywork is evaluating the influence of regional jets, according to a spokesperson for the Embraer 190, Sukhio Superjet
According to PowdAir they are in negotiations with SkyWork for them to operate on their behalf, but only if SkyWork can secure a jet aircraft for the operational period. So basically Skywork will operate the route this winter, with or without Powdair. Looks like they want to operate it by themselves.
In addition: "I can confirm that Powdair and Skywork are in negotiations," explains Stewart, "however, nothing has yet been decided and we are negotiating with several partners. We knew nothing about the flights of flights through Skywork. Possibly, this is a negotiating tactic "According to him, the flight times and slots were secured for Powdair - contrary to what claimed Skywork.
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Although I have been away for almost 7 weeks, I have been reading all the posts, but not able to reply (I didn't take my password!). I have also been watching the daily schedules board for SEN, and noted many delays, especially with FlyBe, due to technical problems. EasyJet have also had their share of a few big delays and cancelled flights. I often wonder what happens to all the pax (last nights Palma flight was cancelled in and out due to aircraft gone tech). Until the CAA stats are released it seems we have no ideas on the loads factors on the new routes. I was interested to read of the new proposed routes to Dublin, Manchester, Glasgow and maybe Carlisle next year, plus the continuation of some of the current summer routes into the winter. Surely this will mean an extra aircraft? Sadly, I still have to read all the messages which are either negative towards new routes, or try to guess analyze their success before hand. I am surprised by Manchester, and thought Edinburgh would be better than Glasgow, but give the airline a chance to prove it for themselves. I am a person who prefers to "wait and see despite the impatience". April figures looked good, and I am not surprised to see Groningen and Rennes retained for the winter months.
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I'll answer a couple of your questions on which I have some information.
Last night's PMI flights pax were provided with hotac and the cause of the cancellation was the PMI-based aircraft initially going tech and that becoming prolonged to the point that cancellation was decided upon. Fairly recently one E195 went tech in MXP and a replacement was sent down from BHX and and the same aircraft suffered a lightning strike on approach to PRG on Thursday resulting in the cancellation of the following SEN-MXP-SEN rotation.
An extra ATR will be needed to operate SEN-GRQ and some SEN-RNS flights this winter. SEN-CFR is withdrawn for the winter but should reappear for S18. I think it's fairly obvious that the 'new' Flybe routes retained for W17/18 are the better performing ones and that some of the others will be shown to be less successful.
I think it likely that Flybe wouldn't sanction SEN-EDI in view of their own LON-EDI operations - although I don't know that for sure.
I'll answer a couple of your questions on which I have some information.
Last night's PMI flights pax were provided with hotac and the cause of the cancellation was the PMI-based aircraft initially going tech and that becoming prolonged to the point that cancellation was decided upon. Fairly recently one E195 went tech in MXP and a replacement was sent down from BHX and and the same aircraft suffered a lightning strike on approach to PRG on Thursday resulting in the cancellation of the following SEN-MXP-SEN rotation.
An extra ATR will be needed to operate SEN-GRQ and some SEN-RNS flights this winter. SEN-CFR is withdrawn for the winter but should reappear for S18. I think it's fairly obvious that the 'new' Flybe routes retained for W17/18 are the better performing ones and that some of the others will be shown to be less successful.
I think it likely that Flybe wouldn't sanction SEN-EDI in view of their own LON-EDI operations - although I don't know that for sure.
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I think it likely that Flybe wouldn't sanction SEN-EDI in view of their own LON-EDI operations - although I don't know that for sure.
I would have thought there would be a clause in the agreement that Flybe could veto any particular route. Without that Stobart could in theory compete directly against Flybe on one of their existing routes with lower fares. I don't know this for a fact of course.
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I think it's a fair assumption under the terms of a franchise you have to seek permission from the franchiser ...
I mean look at it this way, if you are a McDonalds franchisee and you want to open your own franchised restaurant 50yrds away from one of McDonalds own existing restaurants, they are likely to say no!
I mean look at it this way, if you are a McDonalds franchisee and you want to open your own franchised restaurant 50yrds away from one of McDonalds own existing restaurants, they are likely to say no!
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The spate of cancellations / severe delays (is that fair?) is extremely disappointing. It's simply not good enough to entice customers with 'vive la difference!' only to fail them when it comes to the single reason why they bothered to turn up. Whisk 'em through check in and security to a welcoming champagne bar or tasty fry up at Laker's is just dandy. But if you forget why they're actually there................
It's Stobart's who built their reputation on logistical expertise. They've previously claimed that their skills-set is perfectly suited to aviation. Well, they know full well that - when it comes to trucking - their blue chip customers would never put up with cancelled deliveries, and delays would cost them dear.
So I suggest they start working bloody hard to ensure, when it's humanly possible, their customers at SEN get the service they deserve and, as a minimum, provide a service superior to the industry average.
It's Stobart's who built their reputation on logistical expertise. They've previously claimed that their skills-set is perfectly suited to aviation. Well, they know full well that - when it comes to trucking - their blue chip customers would never put up with cancelled deliveries, and delays would cost them dear.
So I suggest they start working bloody hard to ensure, when it's humanly possible, their customers at SEN get the service they deserve and, as a minimum, provide a service superior to the industry average.
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Delays
And the delays continue today. Departures show Cologne delayed by 2hrs 30mins and Lyon 2hrs 15mins with corresponding (or worse) delays shown on the arrivals.
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I also saw an ATR heading over last night, evidently they brought it over from DUB to operate CGN. So they do seem to be making an effort, but reliability seems to be an issue and it can't do the reputation of SEN or indeed Flybe any good. Is it the JOTA that's the problem? I saw a BE E75 a couple of weeks back that seemed to operate alongside the E195.
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Cancellations and Delays
What on earth is going on? I now see that today's service to Cologne was cancelled. Lyon is still showing as running over 2 hours late.