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So, what will it be? CityJet's SSJs? Volotea's B717s? JOTA Avros or other 146s? Or something from leftfield such as second-hand 319/320s or E-190s? Or some ambitious order for Bombardier C-series? Or will it just be turboprops...?
Just as long as they don't try to use flyBE's remaining E-195s on routes from SEN. They will be unable to operate fully loaded on flights to the Med. I think flyBE have all of their remaining fleet operational now anyway.
Just as long as they don't try to use flyBE's remaining E-195s on routes from SEN. They will be unable to operate fully loaded on flights to the Med. I think flyBE have all of their remaining fleet operational now anyway.
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You're right. I thought flyBE disposed of some of their 195s but on checking I see that they are now all back in service (some were stored out of service at Exeter).
Anyway, my point is that the E-195 would not be a suitable aircraft to use.
Anyway, my point is that the E-195 would not be a suitable aircraft to use.
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ERJ190 not suitable..........B.M,Perhaps the way to illuminate your readers would be to put it the other way round...Southend itself is not a suitable Aerodrome to support/sustain ERJ190 ops.It has sold in the many hundreds & operates quite normally from most locations worldwide albeit of course those with normal R/W design & infrastructure.....Good Luck.....SS
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I stand to be corrected on this, but I believed the plan (B) to be an extension of Stobart Air's franchise agreement with Flybe. Is not the current arrangement basically a wet lease with Sobart being the lessor?.
Surely it will be down to Stobart to determine and provide the aircraft and Flybe to agree their suitability for the routes that they will spend money marketing. I guess there could be some buy & lease-back arrangement with existing Flybe aircraft (other than ATRs) but that would cause so many operation headaches for Stobart I can't see that happening.
ATR's for me. But I would love to be wrong.
Surely it will be down to Stobart to determine and provide the aircraft and Flybe to agree their suitability for the routes that they will spend money marketing. I guess there could be some buy & lease-back arrangement with existing Flybe aircraft (other than ATRs) but that would cause so many operation headaches for Stobart I can't see that happening.
ATR's for me. But I would love to be wrong.
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Well well.
If each post in this quite lively SEN thread, which is quite different from the liveliness of SEN proper, would amount to a flight booking, the new Stobart Air routes would be in line for quite a decent start - something like 50 fully booked ATR72s... Maybe we should all make a pledge to that effect? Just thinking...
If each post in this quite lively SEN thread, which is quite different from the liveliness of SEN proper, would amount to a flight booking, the new Stobart Air routes would be in line for quite a decent start - something like 50 fully booked ATR72s... Maybe we should all make a pledge to that effect? Just thinking...
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SEN not lively?!!!!! Check out arrivals board. 4 diverts owing to runway lighting issues at LCY. Big deal for us you know.
As for a pledge to travel on a new route? Well, I'll book a seat on the mid morning AMS departure.
SEN not lively?!!!!! Check out arrivals board. 4 diverts owing to runway lighting issues at LCY. Big deal for us you know.
As for a pledge to travel on a new route? Well, I'll book a seat on the mid morning AMS departure.
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Why can't the E190s operate out of SEN? They do the Med routes perfectly well out of SOU down to AGP and SOU is is much more performance limited on both takeoff and landing than SEN is.
And the type also operates to the med out of LCY so really, I think it would work at SEN.
I personally think we'll see a mix of types at SEN with the new expansion, and also to be clear, SEN is a currently franchise operation, it is not a FlyBE ACMI contract.
And the type also operates to the med out of LCY so really, I think it would work at SEN.
I personally think we'll see a mix of types at SEN with the new expansion, and also to be clear, SEN is a currently franchise operation, it is not a FlyBE ACMI contract.
I think it's a misconception that the E195 would be payload restricted at SEN.
I believe this stems from the fact that the TODR of the E195AR (Additional Range) is 2,179m whereas the Flybe E195LR has a TODR of 1,880m at MTOW. It's TODR for 500nm, full pax, ISA, SL is 1,432m so a range well beyond that should be possible from SEN's 1,799m TODA. There might be rare instances of restrictions with temperatures well above ISA and runway 23 departures but no more than with the A319 currently.
It will surprise me if the E195 is be the aircraft used as Flybe's fleet of nine aircraft looks to be fully committed at present and I assume this will continue to be the case through 2017. It would however be an appropriate choice of aircraft if available in my opinion.
I believe this stems from the fact that the TODR of the E195AR (Additional Range) is 2,179m whereas the Flybe E195LR has a TODR of 1,880m at MTOW. It's TODR for 500nm, full pax, ISA, SL is 1,432m so a range well beyond that should be possible from SEN's 1,799m TODA. There might be rare instances of restrictions with temperatures well above ISA and runway 23 departures but no more than with the A319 currently.
It will surprise me if the E195 is be the aircraft used as Flybe's fleet of nine aircraft looks to be fully committed at present and I assume this will continue to be the case through 2017. It would however be an appropriate choice of aircraft if available in my opinion.
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Yes, I believe the 22nd might be significant ...
Sorry I have to laugh, how many false dawns have we witnessed over the last couple of years with carriers and routes that have come and gone. I think Stobart will loose all credibility this time if they fail to deliver so we will just have to wait and see.
It it one thing to announce new routes and quite another to make a profit out of them. Only some aircraft types are suited for low cost operations so will Sobart Air being aiming for a full fare passenger where they need less passengers or where they need most of the seats full to derive the same income. My guess is that they need many passengers to pass through the terminal to generate airport income but that might mean operating many of the routes at a loss if they can't find the right aircraft.
I am really not sure of the Stobart business model where there could be a conflict with running an airline and an airport.
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Southend to handle 2 biz jets in a day
Sorry I have to laugh, how many false dawns have we witnessed over the last couple of years with carriers and routes that have come and gone. I think Stobart will loose all credibility this time if they fail to deliver so we will just have to wait and see.
Sorry I have to laugh, how many false dawns have we witnessed over the last couple of years with carriers and routes that have come and gone. I think Stobart will loose all credibility this time if they fail to deliver so we will just have to wait and see.
Reputation is damaged. I've zero confidence in SEN managing to deliver air parcels never mind a meaningful sustainable schedule board for passengers.
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[quoteI've zero confidence in SEN managing to deliver air parcels never mind a meaningful sustainable schedule board for passengers. ][/quote]
That's a bit harsh. The place is full of Swearingens delivering air parcels every night.
That's a bit harsh. The place is full of Swearingens delivering air parcels every night.
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SEN is a currently franchise operation, it is not a FlyBE ACMI contract.
So I guess there's been a plan of sorts around for a long time and it's just that the Cityjet business persuaded Flybe to offer a firm alternative using Stobart Air (possibly not for all routes).
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Let me get this right, Stobart are to operate 18 routes under the Flybe franchise?
If that is the case, they will need a few additional airframes, but much more importantly, pilots to fly them.
Any clues as to the source of the additional aircraft and pilots?
If that is the case, they will need a few additional airframes, but much more importantly, pilots to fly them.
Any clues as to the source of the additional aircraft and pilots?